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I agree with Deborah K (and am too lazy to quote all the things she said in the four posts I agree with....
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Grassroots TV ads for Iowa - It's on
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and current candidates learned from that, better to mimic what he says to varying degrees than confront him, Ron needs to be vigilant and vocal, directing criticism towards candidates more directly. too much well... ummm... I think...
If hes sparring with a partner before the debates this go round, I hope they're encouraging him to interject more forcefully like when he followed mittens constitutionality answer: "all this talk of lawyers baffles me..."
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There is a way to do both of these in a manner that will win support and votes rather than risk the very real potential of alienating voting segments. Direct attacks, particularly during a primary, are dangerous and have almost ALWAYS backfired! Any attacks on a fellow candidate (from the same party) would be used against the attacker during the general election. The media has done this with great regularity and it is a danger to which we do not need to be exposed.
Same end results... different approach
Instead of approaching it with "Tea Party Against Michele Bachmann" turn your argument around... use: "Tea Party For Ron Paul" You could then extol RPs record and point out oblique issues that point out the opponent's (Bachmann) record. "Ron Paul is the only Tea Party candidate that never accepted government farm subsidies", etc.
The Best Tea Party Candidate
You can also make the point without directly "pushing" Ron Paul. Maybe a check list of all the Republican candidates and where they stand on Tea Party issues. Ron Paul would be the clear winner... but it would give the viewer a chance to see the facts (clearly) and make their own (guided) decision.
Surrogate attacks by supporters
Attacks by supporters can also backfire and negatively affect the candidate. It is a matter of perception and coverage by the media. Any strong attacks by supporters would be linked directly back to RP and have very negative results. During a primary it is critical to keep the broadest amount of support possible... and, make it possible for primary opponents to support the nominee (Ron Paul) during the general election. Bachmann's supporters are a rabid bunch (sound familiar?)... we will need their support and votes to defeat BHO in the general election... we cannot afford to risk alienating them.
The Time to Use Attacks
The time to use attacks and directly address the opponent (BHO) is during the general election. This is where you would have the ability to attack the opponent openly... and there's plenty to attack. RomKnee is using attack ads again BHO... but that is a tactical decision to present the perception that he is the front runner and will be the inevitable nominee. We do not have that option at this point because of RPs current standing in the polls.
Bottom Line
Please don't use any attacks and link them to Ron Paul during the primary. Election history clearly shows this. We all need to learn from what has worked in the past and use those lessons to win this time around. It does require a bit more thought how to carefully word arguments in our favor... but it will give us the results we actually need. A WIN for Ron Paul in 2012.
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How about short clips of other candidates rallies with visibly low attendance with news spin doctors voice overs about them being a front runner, then A Paul rally with huge attendance with a collage of "can't win", "longshot", "fringe candidate" and similar - followed by the words: "What does the media not want you to know abut this guy"?
Variation: Short soundbites of other candidates having really neocon moments and maybe a bit of Paul;s "what if" speech?
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Variation: Short soundbites of other candidates having really neocon moments and maybe a bit of Paul;s "what if" speech?
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Tarzan I'd +rep ya but I can't.
Did it for you.
Tried to do it twice, once for each of us, but it only lets me rep the same post once.....
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Thanks! If I can stop pissing people off in other threads perhaps I will, one day, have two green bars... I'm trying to do better (kinder, gentler) this time around.
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This would be great... particularly a series of these that appear like pseudo news shows... but, detached from Ron Paul. This has been suggested elsewhere and might be really viable. Since ANYBODY can use the Tea Party name... perhaps they could be the "Tea Party Reports". Now, TP gets hammered by the press (and in public perception) so that name may not be the best through the general election. Perhaps something more innocuous and general... "Freedom Report" YTN (You Tube News)... etc.
This is way beyond my capabilities but I think has some real merit. Perhaps you should start a new thread to see if you can get it running as a project???
And maybe hook up with this guy: http://brendanwenzel.net/ron-paul-social-media/
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Very true, and Bachmann doesn't need to be attacked anyway.
Often, political candidates have people at the other candidates rallies. They're called Macacas I believe.
The best way to get footage is to get it yourself. You could tape Mitt Romney without him knowing it.
Apparently, he acts really weird when he's interacting with people.
You know there are 720P video cameras the size of car keys?
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=72...+camera&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
you could take a look at a candidates schedule and be there with a skit perhaps, which you would then film with the many tiny cameras.
Perhaps you could have a scene of big love shot at a romney rally w/ out him knowing. close up. "We have too many sister wives already (or whatever)", and then "Mitt, what should we do." Perry and guardisil. The beauty of grassroots is that it's not official Ron Paul. Ron Paul and the Ron Paul campaign know nothing about project funny commercials. It's not connected in any way to Ron Paul. No mention of Ron Paul is made anywhere near funnypoliticalads.com.
To me, that's the kind of stuff that grassroots should be doing, stuff that the campaign can't do. It's an excellent money making opportunity for anyone.
Here's a Commercial.
2 people talking. Doesn't have to be great quality at all.
Person 1: "The tea party likes Rick Perry."
Person 2 "Really, the tea party likes Rick Perry? Does the tea party like forced vaccinations? for stds? by executive order, bypassing the legislature?
Benefitting his buddy, a lobbyist for Merck? the tea party likes that? No, I think the tea party just doesn't know about
that yet. The tea party will not go for Guardasil Rick when they hear about it."
30 seconds. or 2 15 seconds.
The second 15 could just be 2nd person calling 3rd person "Hey, he thinks the tea party will support Guardasil Rick Perry." And then 10 seconds of laughter. If someone could get fluid to come out their nose while laughing about this, all the better.
Perhaps some candidates are attacked and not others. It could come from a true tea party perspective, where the editorial policy is that paul, palin, cain and bachmann are good tea party candidates and shouldn't be attacked and everyone else is fair game. Bachmann will fall when the bio gets looked at. I just don't think it's a good idea to attack Palin, and it doesn't look like Cain should be attacked, but we of course disagree with the "KC Fed Chair" part of the bio.
For the official campaign, or for grassroots Ron Paul efforts similar to this one (which is going to be great), might I suggest these 2
Ron II - The next Reagan.
Basically Ron Paul rounds up the best Reagan pix he has, and they get scanned hi res, and there are words.
36 years ago, Ron Paul was one of 4(?) Conservative Congressmen to stand with Ronald Reagan against Gerald Ford
32 years ago, Ron Paul stood with Ronald Reagan against George Bush. 32 years ago Ron Paul believed in limited constitutional government
and today he believes in limited constitutional government. just like ronald reagan.
True Tea Party.
On December 16 2007 thousands of supporters of Limited Constitutional Government joined together in gatherings large and small to say
no to big government at the Ron Paul Tea Party Rallys. Use footage and pictures of various tea party events. Show Ron Paul dumping tea.
The best way to get footage is to get it yourself. You could tape Mitt Romney without him knowing it.
Apparently, he acts really weird when he's interacting with people.
You know there are 720P video cameras the size of car keys?
http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=72...+camera&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
you could take a look at a candidates schedule and be there with a skit perhaps, which you would then film with the many tiny cameras.
Perhaps you could have a scene of big love shot at a romney rally w/ out him knowing. close up. "We have too many sister wives already (or whatever)", and then "Mitt, what should we do." Perry and guardisil. The beauty of grassroots is that it's not official Ron Paul. Ron Paul and the Ron Paul campaign know nothing about project funny commercials. It's not connected in any way to Ron Paul. No mention of Ron Paul is made anywhere near funnypoliticalads.com.
To me, that's the kind of stuff that grassroots should be doing, stuff that the campaign can't do. It's an excellent money making opportunity for anyone.
Here's a Commercial.
2 people talking. Doesn't have to be great quality at all.
Person 1: "The tea party likes Rick Perry."
Person 2 "Really, the tea party likes Rick Perry? Does the tea party like forced vaccinations? for stds? by executive order, bypassing the legislature?
Benefitting his buddy, a lobbyist for Merck? the tea party likes that? No, I think the tea party just doesn't know about
that yet. The tea party will not go for Guardasil Rick when they hear about it."
30 seconds. or 2 15 seconds.
The second 15 could just be 2nd person calling 3rd person "Hey, he thinks the tea party will support Guardasil Rick Perry." And then 10 seconds of laughter. If someone could get fluid to come out their nose while laughing about this, all the better.
Perhaps some candidates are attacked and not others. It could come from a true tea party perspective, where the editorial policy is that paul, palin, cain and bachmann are good tea party candidates and shouldn't be attacked and everyone else is fair game. Bachmann will fall when the bio gets looked at. I just don't think it's a good idea to attack Palin, and it doesn't look like Cain should be attacked, but we of course disagree with the "KC Fed Chair" part of the bio.
For the official campaign, or for grassroots Ron Paul efforts similar to this one (which is going to be great), might I suggest these 2
Ron II - The next Reagan.
Basically Ron Paul rounds up the best Reagan pix he has, and they get scanned hi res, and there are words.
36 years ago, Ron Paul was one of 4(?) Conservative Congressmen to stand with Ronald Reagan against Gerald Ford
32 years ago, Ron Paul stood with Ronald Reagan against George Bush. 32 years ago Ron Paul believed in limited constitutional government
and today he believes in limited constitutional government. just like ronald reagan.
True Tea Party.
On December 16 2007 thousands of supporters of Limited Constitutional Government joined together in gatherings large and small to say
no to big government at the Ron Paul Tea Party Rallys. Use footage and pictures of various tea party events. Show Ron Paul dumping tea.
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The best way to attack the opposition, is to do it positively. Instead of saying things like "Michele Bachman wants to raise your taxes!" Say things like, "Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who has never supported a raise in your taxes." The way to win is NOT to be negative, being positive will win the day.
thats the kind of thing Id like to see fancied up, put in an ad and shown in Iowa... Why vote for the student when you can have the master type of thing.
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Yeah, Bachmann is asking about pricing for ad buys too.
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This has been suggested elsewhere (not trying to steal credit, I think PAROCKS may have suggested it in another thread)... using the Ronald Reagan endorsement of Ron Paul in a short spot (just long enough for his quote) with some pictures of RP (with Reagan, maybe) might go a long way. RR has become deified in the mind of many Republicans and linking him to RP in their minds might be a really good thing.
While it would be best if we could find a recording of RR actually speaking the words... maybe have someone (who does a good Reagan) reading the words (so it sounds like Reagan saying it). Make it clear that the words are RRs but that the voice is not. This could be dangerous and could backfire... so a straight voice over of RRs words might be safer. But, having the mental link between the two might get RP some serious mileage. I know many folks here are not RR fans... but that really does not matter to me if it will help RP win... if you think I have no principals in this regard you are right. :o
Ronald Reagan's words:
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
Maybe a good lead in would be: "Ronald Reagan lead our country in a time of crisis... a time that saw the defeat of our greatest adversary. Our country is again in crisis and we need a great leader... listen to the words of Ronald Reagan." begin quote here
minor note... the campaign folks (national and district) like saying RP was a flight surgeon... I was Air Force and flight surgeons were not well thought of by a lot of folks in the AF... basically, pencil pushers who could revoke your flight status. Now, I know these guys have an important job and many of them do it well (not trying to poo-poo them) but it is a matter of perception. It may only be me or just people who served in the AF... and I know they are trying to emphasize the physician angle... this may not matter one bit to the general public... but to me "Air Force Officer" is a lot better than "Flight Surgeon".
While it would be best if we could find a recording of RR actually speaking the words... maybe have someone (who does a good Reagan) reading the words (so it sounds like Reagan saying it). Make it clear that the words are RRs but that the voice is not. This could be dangerous and could backfire... so a straight voice over of RRs words might be safer. But, having the mental link between the two might get RP some serious mileage. I know many folks here are not RR fans... but that really does not matter to me if it will help RP win... if you think I have no principals in this regard you are right. :o
Ronald Reagan's words:
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
Maybe a good lead in would be: "Ronald Reagan lead our country in a time of crisis... a time that saw the defeat of our greatest adversary. Our country is again in crisis and we need a great leader... listen to the words of Ronald Reagan." begin quote here
minor note... the campaign folks (national and district) like saying RP was a flight surgeon... I was Air Force and flight surgeons were not well thought of by a lot of folks in the AF... basically, pencil pushers who could revoke your flight status. Now, I know these guys have an important job and many of them do it well (not trying to poo-poo them) but it is a matter of perception. It may only be me or just people who served in the AF... and I know they are trying to emphasize the physician angle... this may not matter one bit to the general public... but to me "Air Force Officer" is a lot better than "Flight Surgeon".
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