Glenn Beck on Ron Paul

[nate895]

Umm...I agree with Beck about gradualism. You can't just one day say "everybody, we are scrapping every unconstitutional Federal Dept., have a nice day." We need to either do it peacefully and gradually, or they will force us into war and that is when we can just start over with a clean slate.

Edit: I don't agree that it will take 100 years.

 

[hugolp]

Paul is so strict on his beliefs he won't realize that not mentioning his ideas explicitly is not commensurate with compromise.

And that is exactly why so many people joined him. Because he was not bullshiting he was being clear. I think trying to dilude the message and to become just another option is not a good idea. Keeping it real is important, and it is what atracts people.

Obvioulsy its not a good idea to go kamikaze, having an strategy is good, but its important to keep it real.

 

[pcosmar]

I agree but that woman should have explained the Trilat Commission to Beck in a rational manner. You just don't drop off the Trilat commission in an impromptu conversation. The distribution of the Ron Paul message is equivalent to building a house. We need a foundation first and we go from there. That doesn't necessarily mean that the message needs to be diluted like Goldwater's became.

The Trilateral Commission has been quite active and involved in our affairs for over 30 years.
Beck doesn't KNOW this???
Or is he deliberately trying to down play them.
It is his job to Promote Propaganda. NOT to inform.
Never forget that.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I disagree. I think Beck gets Ron Paul and agrees with him. All I heard in this video was Beck explaining why the AVERAGE (stupid, uninformed) person THINKS that Ron Paul sounds crazy. What I hear is that he agrees on objective, he disagrees on strategy (kind of like the difference between people on this forum, some think the thermite report shouls be in Hot Topics, some people thing it should be in General Politics.)

I don't think GB is 100% awake yet, but i do think he is getting there. Anyone that would discard Beck over this segment either wasn't lilstening or only heard what they wanted to hear.

The worst offense I heard was him being dismissive of the Trilateral Commision, he obviously still thanks TLC is still "conspiracy talk" or at least he thinks that will play well with his audience. GB is definitely a mixed bag, but I still think he is the best we got and I think he is coming around more and more.

Agreed. This was almost encouraging...he said "Ron is the closest person to a founder we have in this country." That's a significant compliment. Didn't really hear anything that made it sound like Beck disliked him or his ideas.

 

[dgr]

Two years ago, anyone who said the NAU was real ,was a nut.
Two weeks ago haw many people had even heard of "the new world order" re named this week as Trans National" Coperation.
Wilson in 1937 talked about this, no one understood what he meant.
The pre 1933 Secular Hummanist Manifesto was written in1930, a detailed plan tp take over
public eduation. Now people say how did this happen?
It is impossible to get "true beliver republicans" to listen to a negative comment about Bush
let alone," excuse me, he is not and never been a conservative"
Last fall I was warned by a candidate Lt Governor and a former member of the State House
to be very careful and stop talking about globalization and saying Bush was a globalizationist. But the best one was when,after I was giving a talk on amnesty legislation, I was told that , I had to be more reasonable and try not to start a riot. My sin was linking Bush to Amnesty
These plans have been in place for decades.
Information is knowledge, knowledge is power.
For now be happy that The commission even got to be mentioned on national TV.
Build on that.

 

[silverhawks]

Umm...I agree with Beck about gradualism. You can't just one day say "everybody, we are scrapping every unconstitutional Federal Dept., have a nice day." We need to either do it peacefully and gradually, or they will force us into war and that is when we can just start over with a clean slate.

Edit: I don't agree that it will take 100 years.

Which is Ron Paul's point of view also.

 

[silverhawks]

Agreed. This was almost encouraging...he said "Ron is the closest person to a founder we have in this country." That's a significant compliment. Didn't really hear anything that made it sound like Beck disliked him or his ideas.

"I still act like he's crazy-kooky guy."

"I think Ron Paul is the closest - and I said this at the time - the closest to a Founder that we have. he's the only guy that's speaking the same language of the Founding Fathers. However, as I said to Ron Paul, when you say "We're going to abolish the FBI" that sounds crazy, and quite honestly it is crazy if you think you're going to get into office on a tuesday and on Friday you're going to abolish the FBI."

Which is a strawman argument on Beck's part. He's misrepresenting Paul's position in order to argue against it.

 

[nate895]

Which is Ron Paul's point of view also.

I know, which is why we need to correct Mr. Beck instead of trampling on him like he is some sort of fascist.

 

[silverhawks]

I know, which is why we need to correct Mr. Beck instead of trampling on him like he is some sort of fascist.

I want to point out this - this woman who called in was TRYING to correct him. Did he or his producer listen to her?

Did she get a chance to explain what concerned her about the TLC? Or was she immediately shot down and her opinions derided?

 

[pcosmar]

I want to point out this - this woman who called in was TRYING to correct him. Did he or his producer listen to her?

NO
And remember that Faux Snooz will fire reporters for investigating and reporting the truth.
They have done so.
When they tell the truth it is to sell a lie or to misrepresent it.
IT is called Propaganda.

2: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause ; also : a public action having such an effect

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation, aimed at serving an agenda. Even if the message conveys true information, it may be partisan and fail to paint a complete picture. The book Propaganda And Persuasion defines propaganda as "the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist."

 

[Drknows]

I was going to post in the Hannity TEA PARTY thread the other day but i bit my tongue.


ENOUGH! with all this sucking up to hannity and beck bullshit!

This is like a bad movie plot! You know where we try to join forces with a group that hates us and they end up humiliating us and stealing our ideas and message for their own purpose.

Revenge of the Nerds: Hannity and Beck Are Alpha beta.

Super Troopers: Captain O'Hagan is Ron Paul and the ones sucking up to Beck and Hannity play the part of Farva


Don't you get it? These Neo con theocratic social conservatives will never accept you! They want to break you down! These are the fools who walked all over the constitution and Ron Paul just a few months ago while promoting Mccain and the Neocon point of view.


And Beck? I think Beck is a schizo or he suffers from some mental disorder. So what if he had Ron Paul on? How many times did he make him out to look crazy? Then preach a neo con talking point disguised as a libertarian one? To be a libertarian is to have disagreements with each other on the interpretation of our constitution? REALLY? and be ok with pro war thinking? Well shit we might as well just have these guys be the face of the movement since our principles have become bendable. Maybe they can get us someone less crazier than Ron Paul? Maybe Mitt and Huck? maybe they will start Tea Parties for them in 2010?

Hannity/Beck and friends dont give a shit about the constitution or your TEA PARTIES. If Mccain won they would be ignoring you right now. I give them two years to start chanting for a hypocrite. I'm guessing it will be Mitt.

 

[roho76]

His point is entirely valid. Ron Paul to an extent, and many in our movement to a larger extent, fail to present our ideas in a way that people will find receptive in our current state of affairs. Which is why most see us as crazy and irrational.

I agree. I find it hard to convey these ideas to regular people because they need short catchy phrases filled with talking points and explosions or they get bored and shut you out. So when RP said things like "we just marched in there we can just march out" people are very skeptical of talk like that. I have found that I need a lot of setup in order to for people to let down their guard. RP has a hard time conveying his message in laymen terms. Plus I find that people have a hard time connecting the dots. They think it's the FED or the IRS or DHS or Wall Street or the Republicans or the Dems when it's all of them colluding together.

 

[AuH20]

I was going to post in the Hannity TEA PARTY thread the other day but i bit my tongue.


ENOUGH! with all this sucking up to hannity and beck bullshit!

This is like a bad movie plot! You know where we try to join forces with a group that hates us and they end up humiliating us and stealing our ideas and message for their own purpose.

Revenge of the Nerds: Hannity and Beck Are Alpha beta.

Super Troopers: Captain O'Hagan is Ron Paul and the ones sucking up to Beck and Hannity play the part of Farva


Don't you get it? These Neo con theocratic social conservatives will never accept you! They want to break you down! These are the fools who walked all over the constitution and Ron Paul just a few months ago while promoting Mccain and the Neocon point of view.


And Beck? I think Beck is a schizo or he suffers from some mental disorder. So what if he had Ron Paul on? How many times did he make him out to look crazy? Then preach a neo con talking point disguised as a libertarian one? To be a libertarian is to have disagreements with each other on the interpretation of our constitution? REALLY? and be ok with pro war thinking? Well shit we might as well just have these guys be the face of the movement since our principles have become bendable. Maybe they can get us someone less crazier than Ron Paul? Maybe Mitt and Huck? maybe they will start Tea Parties for them in 2010?

Hannity/Beck and friends dont give a shit about the constitution or your TEA PARTIES. If Mccain won they would be ignoring you right now. I give them two years to start chanting for a hypocrite. I'm guessing it will be Mitt.

I think you're really being unfair to Beck because he and Hannity are two completely different animals. Beck never supported McCain, in fact he was repulsed by him. And in this very clip, Beck openly admitted that our imperial foreign policy is a dead end! What more do you want of the man? Do you want him to solemnly swear an oath of servitude to Ron Paul? Whats the endgame? Lets face it. The Ron Paul message is horribly marketed & we need every ally we can get.

I think people need to calm down and accept Beck as an ally. That doesn't mean you follow everything he says. He's a media pundit, no more, no less. The people are slowly coming to the realization that globalist Bush and his GOP cronies didn't have their best interests in mind. This is an incredible sea change in mentality!

 

[pcosmar]

I think you're really being unfair to Beck because he and Hannity are two completely different animals. Beck never supported McCain, in fact he was repulsed by him. And in this very clip, Beck openly admitted that our imperial foreign policy is a dead end! What more do you want of the man? Do you want him to solemnly swear an oath of servitude to Ron Paul? Whats the endgame? Lets face it. The Ron Paul message is horribly marketed & we need every ally we can get.

I think people need to calm down and accept Beck as an ally. That doesn't mean you follow everything he says. He's a media pundit, no more, no less. The people are slowly coming to the realization that globalist Bush and his GOP cronies didn't have their best interests in mind. This is an incredible sea change in mentality!

No he is not.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda

Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation, aimed at serving an agenda. Even if the message conveys true information, it may be partisan and fail to paint a complete picture. The book Propaganda And Persuasion defines propaganda as "the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist."

People need to stop pushing this crap that our enemies are our friends.
It is not their job to inform or educate.
It is their job to misinform and control spin.

If they were our friends they would be fired. or worse.

 

[AuH20]

No he is not.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Propaganda

People need to stop pushing this crap that our enemies are our friends.
It is not their job to inform or educate.
It is their job to misinform and control spin.

Enemies? Aren't you getting carried away?

 

[silverhawks]

And in this very clip, Beck openly admitted that our imperial foreign policy is a dead end!

You mean, like saying that suggesting we pull troops out of Iraq within 20-30 years is insanity?

Or that the IRS which in part FUNDS this crap shouldn't go away for at least 100 years?

Sorry, AuH20, that doesn't sound like he thinks its a dead end to me...

 

[pcosmar]

Enemies? Aren't you getting carried away?

Not at all.
The MSM is owned and operated for the purpose of Propaganda.
They have had an agenda for years. They Control information.

Or do you ignore the masses of information that have been posted here .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM

 

[AuH20]

Not at all.
The MSM is owned and operated for the purpose of Propaganda.
They have had an agenda for years. They Control information.

Or do you ignore the masses of information that have been posted here .

Yes, true. But Glenn Beck has been roundly mocked and criticized by the various media outlets as being "crazy."

 

[constituent]

Yes, true. But Glenn Beck has been roundly mocked and criticized by the various media outlets as being "crazy."

funny how that works.

and still you don't see?

 

[AuH20]

You mean, like saying that suggesting we pull troops out of Iraq within 20-30 years is insanity?

Or that the IRS which in part FUNDS this crap shouldn't go away for at least 100 years?

Sorry, AuH20, that doesn't sound like he thinks its a dead end to me...

Aside from a physical revamping of the government (which is the only solution sadly), its going to take a slow, frustrating push to redress the constitutional wrongs. It's patently unfair but thats how the TPTB rigged it.