Confirmed: US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid

[Razmear]

The bulldozer was supposed to stop? Uh, I didn't see that memo. She took the risk, and her gamble lost. Tough.

And the tank in Tienanmen Square should have run that protester over, but it stopped.
It's called Humanity and without it this planet is lost.
You can go on trolling and choosing who you think should live or die by using whatever standards you like. You are irrelevant to any movement and a plaque on the human race.

eb

 

[John Taylor]

The Irish government has stated if anything happens to the ship there will be serious consequences; same with Turkey. Actually Turkey is being escorted by military vessels.

If Israel is smart they won't pull the same antics they did last time, but since when has Israel been rational about anything, or anyone in the Middle-East for that matter. I'm sure it will turn into a cluster fuck like everything else.

If the Turks want a war with Israel and Egypt, they should attempt to breach the blockade. They won't make it though. All humanitarian aid can get to Gaza, but it just has to flow through either Israeli ports, or Egyptian ports... that's pretty simple.

 

[Chieppa1]

The U.S. COULD intervene, but such an intervention would be an act of war, and would be contrary to the non-interventionist foreign policy of the founders and of limited government.

So you are an interventionist hawk when it comes to attacking Israel? Interesting.

Did I say that? Congrats at talking out your ass. I was just pointing out that the U.S. WON"T intervene. But at the same time, will excuse the murder of its citizen instead of coming to its defense. Again showing what drives our middle eastern foreign policy.

 

[John Taylor]

And the tank in Tienanmen Square should have run that protester over, but it stopped.
It's called Humanity and without it this planet is lost.
You can go on trolling and choosing who you think should live or die by using whatever standards you like. You are irrelevant to any movement and a plaque on the human race.

eb

Where did I ever say that bulldozer should have run over that woman? That's right, I never did. What I said was, I don't see INTENT to kill her in the bulldozer's actions. I don't see the mens rea. Show it to me, prove the intent? A reasonable person would have gotten out of the way of a bulldozer...

 

[John Taylor]

Did I say that? Congrats at talking out your ass. I was just pointing out that the U.S. WON"T intervene. But at the same time, will excuse the murder of its citizen instead of coming to its defense. Again showing what drives our middle eastern foreign policy.

Why should the U.S. intervene or comden Israel? If a U.S. citizen wants to go abroad and fight against the soldiers of another country, and they happen to die, that's their problem. We should hold fast to a non-interventionist foreign policy, even if people want to go out and be adventurers.

 

[pcosmar]

The Irish government has stated if anything happens to the ship there will be serious consequences; same with Turkey. Actually Turkey is being escorted by military vessels.

If Israel is smart they won't pull the same antics they did last time, but since when has Israel been rational about anything, or anyone in the Middle-East for that matter. I'm sure it will turn into a cluster fuck like everything else.

That is why I was watching in the first place. I was expecting Massive Stupidity.
Those making decisions in Israel and not rational nor logical.

This does not seem to be changing soon.

 

[John Taylor]

That is why I was watching in the first place. I was expecting Massive Stupidity.
Those making decisions in Israel and not rational nor logical.

This does not seem to be changing soon.

I think it's logical to allow humanitarian aid in, provided it's inspected, but to prevent ships from carrying uninspected cargo directly to Gaza.

 

[Razmear]

Where did I ever say that bulldozer should have run over that woman? That's right, I never did. What I said was, I don't see INTENT to kill her in the bulldozer's actions. I don't see the mens rea. Show it to me, prove the intent? A reasonable person would have gotten out of the way of a bulldozer...

You not worth the time to try and prove anything too. I stopped reading your BS at page 3.

eb

 

[Chieppa1]

Why should the U.S. intervene or comden Israel? If a U.S. citizen wants to go abroad and fight against the soldiers of another country, and they happen to die, that's their problem. We should hold fast to a non-interventionist foreign policy, even if people want to go out and be adventurers.

So can we cut all aid to Israel in your magical world were our government is non-interventionist? Or is aid and weapons to one country okay? Its all or nothing. Can't have this pro-Israel policy and argue non-intervention. Its just like us with England when they blockaded Germany. Wilson's pro-English bias makes the U.S. hypocrites in history, as does our relationship with Israel.

 

[John Taylor]

So can we cut all aid to Israel in your magical world were our government is non-interventionist? Or is aid and weapons to one country okay? Its all or nothing. Can't have this pro-Israel policy and argue non-intervention. Its just like us with England when they blockaded Germany. Wilson's pro-English bias makes the U.S. hypocrites in history, as does our relationship with Israel.

Of course cut off all aid. Google non-interventionism.

 

[Toureg89]

You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

whole heartedly agree with this.

US government and its taxing power should always remain neutral unless attacked, and have neutral opinions on NGOs and countries, and much like a free market, allow its citizens to choose which political/social movements they want to donate their financial/bodily efforts to, without the risk of being labeled terrorists by the federal government.

 

[Chieppa1]

Of course cut off all aid. Google non-interventionism.

No. I understand it perfectly. You opinion only matters to you. The reason we care so much is because we pay for this country to bully its way around the Middle East. Your defending Israel. When you should be as pissed as us that our governments steals our money and pays for this country to carelessly operate without consequence.

 

[John Taylor]

No. I understand it perfectly. You opinion only matters to you. The reason we care so much is because we pay for this country to bully its way around the Middle East. Your defending Israel. When you should be as pissed as us that our governments steals our money and pays for this country to carelessly operate without consequence.

Right back at you Cochise.

I'm not defending Israel, I'm just saying that there is a lawful blockade, because there is a WAR going on...

If you want to go kayaking in there, you should be aware that there is awar occurring, and that you're taking the risk on your own head.

Instead of attacking Israel, you should be urging that the U.S. government adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy. All you are doing here is opening up the liberty movement to smears for allegedly being anti-semetic.

 

[lester1/2jr]

I'm not defending Israel,

lol not at all

, I'm just saying that there is a lawful blockade, because there is a WAR going on...

who says its lawful? I'm not a citizen of israel i don't agree to their blockade. they can blockade themselves if they want but not a soveriegn people.

I think it's logical to allow humanitarian aid in, provided it's inspected, but to prevent ships from carrying uninspected cargo directly to Gaza.

who cares what you or israel "thinks"? who are you the president of the world?

 

[John Taylor]

who says its lawful? I'm not a citizen of israel i don't agree to their blockade. they can blockade themselves if they want but not a soveriegn people.?

International maritime law, for over 500 years.

who cares what you or israel "thinks"? who are you the president of the world?

Right back at you kid. We're on a discussion forum... check yourself.

 

[Chieppa1]

Instead of attacking Israel, you should be urging that the U.S. government adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy. All you are doing here is opening up the liberty movement to smears for allegedly being anti-semetic.

I'm pretty sure if we urged for a non-interventionist foreign policy, like Dr. Paul does, we would still be smeared as anti-semetic. So I'd rather just expose the country for what it is.

 

[John Taylor]

I'm pretty sure if we urged for a non-interventionist foreign policy, like Dr. Paul does, we would still be smeared as anti-semetic. So I'd rather just expose the country for what it is.

What exactly IS Israel and Egypt doing wrong here? They have Gaza, not the West Bank, under seige, because they are at war with Gaza... which is why they have a blockade against Gaza...

 

[lester1/2jr]

[ight back at you kid. We're on a discussion forum... check yourself.

yes but I'm not saying that the palestinians have the right to this or that because I say so. Israel is saying they have the right to block gaza and who are they to do that?

maritime law can blow me, I don't care about it in the least. this isn't about law it's about morality. and there are provisions in there for humanitarian relief.

it's morally wrong to keep the poeple in gaza from getting stuyff they need to survive, now matter how thin you slice it it's wrong

Where did I ever say that bulldozer should have run over that woman? That's right, I never did. What I said was, I don't see INTENT to kill her in the bulldozer's actions.

lol this reminds me of the simpsons where bart was like "fine you can stand there but I'm going to be swinging my arms and walkiing in that direction"

he ran a human being over with a bulldozer that is INSANE.

 

[John Taylor]

maritime law can blow me, I don't care about it in the least. this isn't about law it's about morality.

Ok, the rule of law is what has allowed capital to be accumulated, causing the standard of living to be raised. You may not like it, but it's there... Blockades happen during wars. Israel is at war with Gaza. Those are just the facts of life.

 

[lester1/2jr]

well the world disagrees and another ship is headed there loaded to the gills with camera equipment .

Israel isn't our boss, they are yours it seems