Confirmed: US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid

[John Taylor]

like I say, they can be my guest as it will only serve the interests of their opponents

It'd be interesting to see Turkey fight Egypt and Israel.

 

[Chieppa1]

and I guess the point about Egypt opening their boarder, being rational about the situation is overlooked? You just gonna keep saying "Israel AND Egypt are at war with Gaza". Well I don't see any Egyptian response to the Turkish statements.

 

[John Taylor]

and I guess the point about Egypt opening their boarder, being rational about the situation is overlooked? You just gonna keep saying "Israel AND Egypt are at war with Gaza". Well I don't see any Egyptian response to the Turkish statements.

Egypt has a blockade against Gaza, a blockade is an act of war. Egypt routinely keeps the border with Gaza sealed, and streneously opposes Hamas.

Israel was enforcing a joint blockade.

 

[Chieppa1]

Egypt has a blockade against Gaza, a blockade is an act of war. Egypt routinely keeps the border with Gaza sealed, and streneously opposes Hamas.

Israel was enforcing a joint blockade.

I know all that. All I'm saying that Egypt isn't flipping out at Turkey. So why would they go to war with Turkey if the blockade was breached with the help of Turkey? Egypt seems to want to back away from Israel with this latest situation. Its not RISK. A country to decide they don't want to bail out their idiot neighbor.

 

[lester1/2jr]

the israelis will have a fun time explaing why they are dropping bombs on peopel to prevent aid getting to sick people. alot of poeple will sympathize with that action,

This is akin to someone stepping out in front of a bus, and the bus not slowing down

wether she was moving OR NOT he was going to proceed forward. that is murder. he was aware of the possiblity she would still be there. activists chain themselves to trees all the time . they don't continue to cut down the tree with the guts of the activist flying around.

civilized people don't run over people with bulldozers. If you can't see that I feel sorry for you

 

[John Taylor]

I know all that. All I'm saying that Egypt isn't flipping out at Turkey. So why would they go to war with Turkey if the blockade was breached with the help of Turkey? Egypt seems to want to back away from Israel with this latest situation. Its not RISK. A country to decide they don't want to bail out their idiot neighbor.

Of course, Egypt doesn't have to fight Turkey. Israel can take care of itself. I'm just saying there has been a joint blockade for several years.

 

[Chieppa1]

Of course, Egypt doesn't have to fight Turkey. Israel can take care of itself. I'm just saying there has been a joint blockade for several years.

I agree. I just don't think Israel has any allies on this one. As they shouldn't.

 

[John Taylor]

the israelis will have a fun time explaing why they are dropping bombs on peopel to prevent aid getting to sick people. alot of poeple will sympathize with that action,

Israel allows humanitarian aid to flow to Gaza, sorry, straw man...

wether she was moving OR NOT he was going to proceed forward. that is murder. he was aware of the possiblity she would still be there. activists chain themselves to trees all the time . they don't continue to cut down the tree with the guts of the activist flying around.

civilized people don't run over people with bulldozers. If you can't see that I feel sorry for you

Your definition of murder is wrong. Murder requires mens rea, or specific intent to kill.

 

[John Taylor]

I agree. I just don't think Israel has any allies on this one. As they shouldn't.

I think countries should sleep in the beds they make. That way they will be more cautious.

 

[constituent]

The Israelis and Egyptians offered to transport all the humanitarian aid to Gaza

lol, Israel says "trust us," and anyone is supposed to listen? Yea right.

"They were paintball guns, swear to gawd!"

Is it just me, or does the Israeli regime have a whole slew of people coming up with ways to capitalize on every situation to reinforce every possible negative stereotype of Jews?

Some days it sure seems that way...

 

[constituent]

I have no interest in being lumped together with someone who supports people who advocate genocide.

lol, your relentless shilling for the Israeli regime suggests otherwise...

Merely because someone is run over does not establish Mens Rea, or criminal intent to commit a crime.

You're right, like when it's an accident. Not the case here. The bulldozer driver's intent was to kill.

Might I recommend you reread a book on Criminal Law? Here, I suggest the following,...

http://www.amazon.com/Criminal-Law-...r_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275584807&sr=8-1]

 

[John Taylor]

lol, your relentless shilling for the Israeli regime suggests otherwise...




You're right, like when it's an accident. Not the case here. The bulldozer driver's intent was to kill.

Might I recommend you reread a book on Criminal Law? Here, I suggest the following,...

http://www.amazon.com/Criminal-Law-...r_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275584807&sr=8-1]

Oh, you used the same book I did in law school? That's nice.

I'm not shilling for Israel, I'm advocating for non-interventionism.

 

[constituent]

I'm not shilling for Israel

lol!

 

[lester1/2jr]

Your definition of murder is wrong. Murder requires mens rea, or specific intent to kill.
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his intent in driving over the girl was to kill her. he wasn't trying to give her a back massage.

If you shoot towards me and say get out of the way and I don't you murdered me. maybe I thought you were kidding, maybe I didn't think you ahd the right to tell me to move, maybe i'm stupid for thinking a normal person woiuldn't shoot me for no good reason but if you do you are guilty.

you need to drop all this legal mumbo jumbo and see this for what it is, a moral crisis. any law other than the law of the jungle is meaningless

 

[ibaghdadi]

his intent in driving over the girl was to kill her. he wasn't trying to give her a back massage.

If you shoot towards me and say get out of the way and I don't you murdered me. maybe I thought you were kidding, maybe I didn't think you ahd the right to tell me to move, maybe i'm stupid for thinking a normal person woiuldn't shoot me for no good reason but if you do you are guilty.

you need to drop all this legal mumbo jumbo and see this for what it is, a moral crisis. any law other than the law of the jungle is meaningless

+1

 

[Razmear]

It'd be interesting to see Turkey fight Egypt and Israel.

This isn't a video game dumbass.
You find killing hundreds or thousands of people interesting?
You are a psychopath.

eb

 

[John Taylor]

+1

This isn't the law. Sorry.A conviction for murder requires specific intent to kill. The worst mental state here was negligence, for assuming this woman was a reasonable adult, and would move out the the way of a hundred ton earth moving machine.

 

[John Taylor]

This isn't a video game dumbass.
You find killing hundreds or thousands of people interesting?
You are a psychopath.

eb

I'm well aware of that. If you'd ever met Hamas gunmen in the flesh, you'd know precisely how serious this is. Israel will not lift the blockade, and will fight Turkey over it if necessary. The survival of Israel and the Israeli people the government was created to protect are directly threatened by Hamas controlled Gaza. The cannot be free flow of weapons into Gaza. It would cause an massive amount of bloodshed.

 

[lester1/2jr]

The worst mental state here was negligence, for assuming this woman was a reasonable adult, and would move out the the way of a hundred ton earth moving machine.

he had a choice to not go forward. she did not have the power to end his life, he had the power to end hers.

a "reasonable adult" would not risk running over a human being in a hundred ton earth moving machine.

 

[constituent]

I'm well aware of that. If you'd ever met Hamas gunmen in the flesh, you'd know precisely how serious this is. Israel will not lift the blockade, and will fight Turkey over it if necessary. The survival of Israel and the Israeli people the government was created to protect are directly threatened by Hamas controlled Gaza. The cannot be free flow of weapons into Gaza. It would cause an massive amount of bloodshed.

Still not sure what that has to do with fighting Egypt. Why would Turkey fight Egypt? It's not like they illegal attacked a humanitarian flotilla flying the flag of Turkey in international waters and killed a number of civilians on board.