Chris Christie signs bill banning gay conversion therapy

[Anti Federalist]

I wonder

How much "therapy" does it take to turn a straight person gay?

'Bout 15 years of broadcast TV and pop culture should do the trick.

 

[Brett85]

Are the pastors using electric shock therapy?

Why not just ban electric shock therapy, rather than banning freedom of speech?

 

[Anti Federalist]

The State - "You are prohibited from indoctrinating children. Only we may do that."

 

[jkob]

Why not just ban electric shock therapy, rather than banning freedom of speech?

how does banning conversion therapy for minors violate freedom of speech?

 

[matt0611]

The State - "You are prohibited from indoctrinating children. Only we may do that."

lol, yup

 

[jkob]

Many homosexuals were abused as kids and were "converted" to homosexuality by other homosexuals.

No one is converted to homosexuality just as no one is 'cured' of homosexuality from conversion therapy.

 

[Brett85]

how does banning conversion therapy for minors violate freedom of speech?

You don't think it would violate freedom of speech to throw a Christian counselor in prison for trying to convince a child or teenager to convert to being a heterosexual?

 

[DamianTV]

Why not just ban electric shock therapy, rather than banning freedom of speech?

Because Freedom of Speech is the REAL target as it poses the biggest threat to the Status Quo. They could care less about shock therapy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

how does banning conversion therapy for minors violate freedom of speech?

Because it is.

Christie just signed a law attaching criminal penalties for talking to people.

I mean, unless I'm misinformed...this therapy does not involve drugs, or physical pain or anything like that, right?

 

[Brett85]

I mean, unless I'm misinformed...this therapy does not involve drugs, or physical pain or anything like that, right?

Some people are saying that it does. My argument is that perhaps the actual forms of therapy that cause physical pain should be banned, rather than banning the entire practice of "gay conversion therapy." This law doesn't simply ban certain forms of therapy that involve drugs or physical pain, but also bans freedom of speech.

 

[samforpaul]

Many homosexuals were abused as kids and were "converted" to homosexuality by other homosexuals.

Thank you for pointing this out. About three years a go a Minister told me that about 28 out of 33 homosexuals that he had counseled had been molested as kids.

 

[JCDenton0451]

Some people are saying that it does. My argument is that perhaps the actual forms of therapy that cause physical pain should be banned, rather than banning the entire practice of "gay conversion therapy." This law doesn't simply ban certain forms of therapy that involve drugs or physical pain, but also bans freedom of speech.

What about emotional harm? Telling a teen that his sexual proclivities are unnatural and he should be ashamed of himself may hurt his self-esteem.

 

[Antischism]

Because it is.

Christie just signed a law attaching criminal penalties for talking to people.

I mean, unless I'm misinformed...this therapy does not involve drugs, or physical pain or anything like that, right?

Electric shocks and nausea-inducing drugs are a couple of the methods employed.

There's also this slightly humorous quote I found:

Conversion therapy has increasingly drawn criticism for its methods. Last year, four gay men sued a Jersey City group for fraud, saying its program included making them strip naked and attack effigies of their mothers with baseball bats.

 

[Brett85]

What about emotional harm? Telling a teen that his sexual proclivities are unnatural and he should be ashamed of himself may hurt his self-esteem.

Then try to convince others to not try to convince their kid to change his sexual orientation. Since when is "emotional harm" a crime? If "emotional harm" were a crime, 90% of the American people would be in prison.

 

[Brett85]

Electric shocks and nausea-inducing drugs are a couple of the methods employed.

There's also this slightly humorous quote I found:

Like I said, why not just ban the specific forms of therapy that cause physical pain, rather than completely banning the therapy all together? Freedom of speech should not be illegal in America.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What about emotional harm? Telling a teen that his sexual proclivities are unnatural and he should be ashamed of himself may hurt his self-esteem.

So we'll shred the Bill of Rights and set a dangerous, huge, precedent WRT to increased government power, because some feelings may be hurt?

**** erk **** God damned computer...must have logged me into the DailyKos or something.

 

[Antischism]

Thank you for pointing this out. About three years a go a Minister told me that about 28 out of 33 homosexuals that he had counseled had been molested as kids.

Can you please link me to a scientifically sound study which indicates child molestation causes homosexuality?

 

[Brett85]

So we'll shred the Bill of Rights and set a dangerous, huge, precedent WRT to increased government power, because some feelings may be hurt?

**** erk **** God damned computer...must have logged me into the DailyKos or something.

He's not a libertarian. He's an authoritarian liberal who believes in using the force of government to persecute Christians.

 

[The Free Hornet]

What about emotional harm? Telling a teen that his sexual proclivities are unnatural and he should be ashamed of himself may hurt his self-esteem.

As much as I abhor TC, he/she said the three magic words that should have sunk this legislation. It doesn't ban abuse that happens to be 'gay conversion therapy'. It bans a point of view.

Some people are saying that it does. My argument is that perhaps the actual forms of therapy that cause physical pain should be banned, rather than banning the entire practice of "gay conversion therapy." This law doesn't simply ban certain forms of therapy that involve drugs or physical pain, but also bans freedom of speech.

 

[DamianTV]

Gay Scientists have isolated the Christian Gene


(this is SATIRE, it is NOT real)