Ben Carson Thinks Joseph Built the Pyramids.... WTF?

[wizardwatson]

Thanks for essentially repeating exactly what I had typed in both my responses. Unfortunately, statements such as this

What looks like it took millions of years to take place may have only taken a single day when it happened.

remain unsupported

What looks like it took millions of years to take place (from our current position in time and space) may have only taken a single day when it happened (from the perspective of time and space when time started).

Pretty sure the video does validate such a statement. It's basic relativity. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

While I do believe that the Egyptians had to have developed a storage system in order to preserve food during the 7 year famine period, it's a pretty massive stretch to argue that this is what the pyramids were built for, particularly since it's pretty clear that they were being used as royal sepulchers. It's pure speculation at best to assume that they were built for another purpose and then converted into sepulchers later, though it is stipulated that whatever means of preserving grain during this time period would have been overseen by Joseph.

The problem with this is that regardless of whether or not Carson is right or wrong, most people in this country find stuff like this ridiculous and Carson will probably suffer badly among both more orthodox-leaning Evangelicals and skeptics alike as more questions are raised about his SDA background. I've always been confident that Carson would not be the nominee, and this may well be the beginning of a laundry list of problems that will sink him.

oh? care to enlighten us?

 

[Influenza]

What looks like it took millions of years to take place (from our current position in time and space) may have only taken a single day when it happened (from the perspective of time and space when time started).

Pretty sure the video does validate such a statement. It's basic relativity. Agree to disagree I guess.

Yet that's not what the original statement said. The original statement implied that millions of years of geological formation, evolution, etc, occurred in fast-forward on a single day. If no frame of reference is introduced in the original statement, it is entirely false.

 

[Dr.3D]

No, goober. He is saying that from the moment time STARTED 6 days would be 15 billion years. That is, when the energy first coalesced into matter, which is the point where we can actually say time began (since time requires matter to work on), if you you sat in that frame of reference for 6 days, it would be close to 15 billion years compared to how a watch you wear now would calculate time now in this frame of reference, compared to then.

To say another way. If you could somehow "observe" those six days you spent in that initial frame of reference by some instrument today, it would appear you sat in that frame of reference for 15 billion years.

The six day breakdown in genesis, as the author puts it, is just "for the heck of it". Meaning not only does the 6 days before humans match the cosmological 1,000,000,000,000 seconds to 1 second scientific estimate (which matches the 15 billion years when you calculate 6 days worth of seconds using that ratio), but the way in which the 6 days are biblically narrated matches the cosmological scientific narration of the evolution of the cosmos and life.

I'm almost afraid to say anything because I don't want to confuse anybody further. But, yes, Dr. Schroeder is saying, each 24 hour day, back when the earth was very young, took around 1,000,000,000,000 of our days as we know them now. Of course in the Bible, a day is measured from one sunset to the next so we understand that we are talking about literal 24 hour days. It's just that the days lasted 1,000,000,000,000 times longer than the ones we have now, sunset to sunset.

I know it's confusing, because we are not used to thinking about time that way. As the universe spread out, the days became shorter until we have the length of day as we know them now. Knowing this, we can say, the earth is around six thousand years + 6 days old, the six extra days being before Adam came into the scene.

This accounts for why it seems like the earth is older than it really is. We are measuring time by the way we know it now instead of by the way it was back then.

Now I'm sure I've confused many folks by opening my mouth once again.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Here are the three "grain storage facilities". Tell me if you can find any architectural design flaws?

Pyramid Khufu:

Pyramid Khafre:

Pyramid Menkaure:

 

[Dr.3D]

This is the first time I saw the other 4 segments. I'll watch them as I have time and share them. I also found this interesting by the same author:

Thank you.

 

[KingNothing]

And now it comes out that he didn't receive a scholarship offer from West Point.

And also that he probably never tried to stab his friend or brain his mother with a hammer. ...yeah, I mean, maybe that is a good thing though?

This guy is batshit insane, and will be back to polling at 1-percent by Thanksgiving.

 

[EBounding]

And now it comes out that he didn't receive a scholarship offer from West Point.

And also that he probably never tried to stab his friend or brain his mother with a hammer. ...yeah, I mean, maybe that is a good thing though?

This guy is batshit insane, and will be back to polling at 1-percent by Thanksgiving.

I dunno. Unlike someone like Herman Cain, Carson was basically drafted to run by supporters.

 

[TheTexan]

Well, if Joseph didn't build the pyramids, then who did? Aliens?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Well, if Joseph didn't build the pyramids, then who did? Aliens?

Volunteer Pharaoh devout Egyptians, or so one popular theory goes. <shrug>

 

[Sola_Fide]

You know that Sola_Fide is on record saying that he doesn't believe Rand Paul is a Christian right?

He's not.

 

[sparebulb]

I dunno. Unlike someone like Herman Cain, Carson was basically drafted to run by supporters Goldman Sachs, Mossad, Koch Brothers, CFR, Trilateral Commission and other unnamed handlers.

 

[jmdrake]

No. He used that video to support this statement:



Yet the video doesn't support that statement at all.

Did you miss in the video where the author stated that there are places in the universe where billions of years pass as if a single 24 hour period? Watch it again if you missed that.

 

[erowe1]

Yet that's not what the original statement said. The original statement implied that millions of years of geological formation, evolution, etc, occurred in fast-forward on a single day. If no frame of reference is introduced in the original statement, it is entirely false.

You totally botched the original statement.

It's all about frames of reference. What is a certain amount of time from one frame of reference is a different amount of time from another.

 

[Influenza]

Your problem is that you are correlating two separate frames of reference. You can't add 6 days with 6000 years. 6 Days from that frame of reference is equivalent to 15.75 billion years in our frame of reference . So, if correct, the age of the universe from our perspective is 15.75 billion + 6000 years, while from the reference of the big bang, 7 days have not yet completed

 

[jmdrake]

Your problem is that you are correlating two separate frames of reference.

Tell the truth. You didn't actually watch the video did you? The idea that the torah treats the 6 days differently than the other 6,000 years is one of the main points of the video.

 

[erowe1]

Your problem is that you are correlating two separate frames of reference. You can't add 6 days with 6000 years. 6 Days from that frame of reference is equivalent to 15.75 billion years in our frame of reference . So, if correct, the age of the universe from our perspective is 15.75 billion + 6000 years, while from the reference of the big bang, 7 days have not yet completed

That's the point.

 

[Influenza]

I did watch the video, and what I've been saying this entire time is that the video DOES NOT support statements like this:

Knowing this, we can say, the earth is around six thousand years + 6 days old, the six extra days being before Adam came into the scene.

What looks like it took millions of years to take place may have only taken a single day when it happened.

^It looks like it took millions of years because it DID take millions of years. The frame of reference of another location in the universe is ONLY relevant in explaining what the Bible is referring to as "days," and should not be equated with 6 rotations of the earth, as billions and billions of rotations of the earth occurred during that time-frame. The earth didn't even exist as we know it during most of the first two days.

 

[erowe1]

I did watch the video, and what I've been saying this entire time is that the video DOES NOT support statements like this:




^It looks like it took millions of years because it DID take millions of years. The frame of reference of another location in the universe is ONLY relevant in explaining what the Bible is referring to as "days," and should not be equated with 6 rotations of the earth, as billions and billions of rotations of the earth occurred during that time-frame. The earth didn't even exist as we know it during most of the first two days.

Nobody in the discussion you are talking about equated the 6 days of creation with 6 rotations of the earth. What the video and others are saying is that it DID take millions (billions) of years from one frame of reference, and from another it did not.

Which part of either of the quotes you just said it doesn't support does that video not support?

 

[Influenza]

By adding 6 days with 6000 years, you are equating 6 days of creation with 6 rotations of the earth.

I'm almost afraid to say anything because I don't want to confuse anybody further. But, yes, Dr. Schroeder is saying, each 24 hour day, back when the earth was very young, took around 1,000,000,000,000 of our days as we know them now. Of course in the Bible, a day is measured from one sunset to the next so we understand that we are talking about literal 24 hour days. It's just that the days lasted 1,000,000,000,000 times longer than the ones we have now, sunset to sunset.

I know it's confusing, because we are not used to thinking about time that way. As the universe spread out, the days became shorter until we have the length of day as we know them now. Knowing this, we can say, the earth is around six thousand years + 6 days old, the six extra days being before Adam came into the scene.

This accounts for why it seems like the earth is older than it really is. We are measuring time by the way we know it now instead of by the way it was back then.

Now I'm sure I've confused many folks by opening my mouth once again.

Time did not suddenly change rate of passage on the earth when Adam was created.
Anyways, I'm done posting here as I'm sick of repeating myself again and again only to have everyone but Dr 3D agreeing, have fun