Beck's rally broadcast live on C-SPAN

[TNforPaul45]

YouTube - Glenn Beck Says Rick Perry Is Not What He Seems

How Glenn Beck feels about Rick Perry. I still dont understand how hes fake. I do think hes honest. Hes a lot of things, but I do think hes honest.

@payme_rick THAT I understand. And Im kind of in the same boat. I dont like mixing religion and God. It makes me uncomfortable. Government and political hacks will always hijack the message of God. Separation of church and state was to protect the churchs as much as it was to protect the state.

BlackSand, it's a technique called leading. Mixing a little bit of truth in with a bigger lie helps people to swallow it better. Even more effective if you mix in some religious emotion with it. In the vast majority of people, emotional reaction helps to validate statements, whether the statements are true or false.

Glenn Beck bashes big government, says rick perry is bad (but then later says he's good, as was stated above), he rails on a few things that we all fervently believe. Then,.....he says that the GOP is the answer. He sits there and says that putting an R or D back in control wont help.......which we all agree,.......but then marches out Sarah Palin and other Neocon controlled assets.

And don't forget he goes to ball games with Geraldo and Bill Oreilly and laughs at everyone they've foolded

This is what we are talking about. He is Sincere only in his effort to be insincere.

 

[Aratus]

can we thank ms. sarah for some of the crowd?

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--------------sarah palin is not a d.c creature...!
-------how will the WaPo spin this all...?
dare i look or ask again this Q...!


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[Deborah K]

I can see that. It seems like you want him to be either political or religious, but not both.

I feel kind of the same way, only I would add to that that if he does want to be both, then when he plays the religious angle, it should be an overtly Mormon one, not some all-inclusive thing.

If the so-called god that he's trying to bring into people's lives is just whatever they already believe in anyway, then he's not doing anything. So, I don't think that his real purpose with this rally is any kind of spiritual awakening, it's to manipulate the way people look at their own spiritual lives and the spiritual lives of everyone else in this Glen Beck movement, and to minimize whatever perceptions they might have about being different, and to maximize their perception of being the same. He's trying to make sure that, whenever he talks about something he supports, he has this "God" trump card that will work on as many people as possible, no matter what they believe.

I have a theory. I think he is laying the groundwork to become a religious leader of sorts. I think he sees his days as a TV commentator and radio talk show host coming to an end for various reasons. One being that he can't say what he really wants to say like he'd be able to with his own ministry. The other being that the opposition to him has been fairly successful with their boycott projects.

He seems sincere in his quest to learn about the impact that religion had on the founding. He believes that the country was founded by divine inspiration (I believe that as well). He seems to want to get back to that principle because he believes that prayer, especially en masse, is impactful and effective. Non-religious people will NEVER understand this. But those of us who have a relationship with God understand it completely.

 

[amonasro]

Beck ends critical thinking. Is that why you hate him? I somewhat understand that. Although because of him, books like Atlas shrugged are best sellers again...And he constantly tells people to go to the library and learn...

We hate him because 2/3 of the time he's an awesome, libertarian minded cheerleader for conservative politics, and 1/3 of the time he's a warmongering neocon who works for the establishment. That and he's either sunk or ignored multiple liberty candidates' campaigns. And he called Ron Paul supporters terrorists. We hate him because when he shows his true colors, he does an immense amount of damage to the real liberty movement.

If/when Ron runs in 2012, will Beck support him? If your answer is yes, you have a lot to learn

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Good point. I forgot about the AA influence on him.

But I think he's using that model in an innovative way that it's not really good for. In the case of AA, the unifying factor that people of different faiths share is getting sober. That's the purpose they all have that brings them together. It's not to unify behind a vague unifying god as an end unto itself.

I tend to think that there's also another nonreligious unifying factor here, and that it's a political one. I'd rather Beck just say so, rather than suppress that by saying, "This isn't about politics." It still wouldn't be the kind of rally I would get into, but I could at least feel like it's clear what it's about. And for all my aversion to this vague ecumenical getting behind god idea, I'm all for joining with people of different faiths to get behind a political agenda we share, while being perfectly honest about our religious differences and not downplaying their importance in the process.

My guess is that he sees it as "a nation has to believe or be faithful in God to be successful." He is obsessed with the old Testament stories about Israel's ups and downs depending upon how "godly" they were at the time. The same old thing that some charlatans have been pushing forever: "this or that bad thing happened because we lost our way with God." It's nondenominational in Beck's eyes as long as you are agreeing that it's the God of Abraham that you are reaching out to, thus he includes Mormons, Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims.

It is an attempt to merge Church and State to a certain extent. Due to factional differences, the end result is usually something like adding "under God" to a pledge or "In God We Trust" to money. This compromise is evident in the founding documents, where we have references to a nondenominational God. (Singular, as it is pretty much in reference to the God of Abraham).

As for people who see something nefarious or dangerous about it, if it goes wrong, a concern might be that it pretty much turns into a "war on non-believers"...the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

I have a theory. I think he is laying the groundwork to become a religious leader of sorts. I think he sees his days as a TV commentator and radio talk show host coming to an end for various reasons. One being that he can't say what he really wants to say like he'd be able to with his own ministry.

Very possible. Many successful people have given one career up to pursue a religious career.

 

[pacelli]

he whole "unity for unity's sake with no political agenda" pretense is totally transparent, given that it's an obviously right-wing partisan rally. There's just something creepy and ominous about it.

 

[BlackSand]

Oh im sure he will support Palin over RP anyday unless something unexpected happens and Palins does something that cant be covered up by political posturing. Any thats impossible. Everything can be covered by that.

 

[dude58677]

If Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, Lew Rockwell, Andrew Napilitano,Tom Woods, Trevor Lyman, Michael Boldin, and Matt Collins etc all spoke at the rally, I'd be impressed. The fact that they didn't speak sickens me. Our movement has been hijacked.

 

[specsaregood]

I have a theory. I think he is laying the groundwork to become a religious leader of sorts. I think he sees his days as a TV commentator and radio talk show host coming to an end for various reasons. One being that he can't say what he really wants to say like he'd be able to with his own ministry.

I could see that, he has that jimmy swaggart crying down pat. Plus there is the whole mormon prophecy about eventually the "constitution hanging by a thread" and how the mormons will be the people leading us back. So there ya have the religion + politics angle merged.

 

[rprprs]

<snip>... the take away here for me is that the statist media will HATE what went on today and thats a great day if you ask me.

The one and only positive to be garnered from this entire fiasco.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I'm not going to criticize anyone else's convictions on this. But I'm kind of intrigued and concerned by Beck's religious angle, and by how comfortable so many presumably non-Mormon Christian tea partiers are with it.

If my church made an announcement that they were going to be holding some kind of a joint prayer meeting with a Mormon church, not only would I not attend it, but I'd leave my church over it. My impression of most evangelicals only a decade ago would have been to expect the same. But now I see this new ecumenical movement Beck seems to be leading and I think I might be in a minority on that.

Of all the reasons to criticize Beck his religion is what you choose?

 

[erowe1]

Of all the reasons to criticize Beck his religion is what you choose?

Well, since the topic of this thread is a religious rally that he held today, why would I bring in anything else?

"I don't like this prayer meeting because of an unrelated incident several months ago."

 

[BlackSand]

Hes no advocating Mormonism. Hes advocating God. And if my (mormon) church said were getting together with the central christian church down the street (anti mormon, preach harshly against us in their meetings) to have a pro god party...I would go in a heart beat.

 

[pacelli]

Funny how he was promoting God but violated the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th, and 9th commandments within the first hour.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Well, since the topic of this thread is a religious rally that he held today, why would I bring in anything else?

"I don't like this prayer meeting because of an unrelated incident several months ago."

I haven't watched it but is Mormonism a part of this rally? I haven't seen anyone mention it but you.

 

[Deborah K]

Funny how he was promoting God but violated the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th, and 9th commandments within the first hour.

Care to elaborate? He violated the 4th commandment - honor thy mother and thy father?

 

[Mini-Me]

Funny how he was promoting God but violated the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th, and 9th commandments within the first hour.

I need to remember that most people here didn't grow up Catholic. When you mentioned the 9th, I was wondering for a second about whose wife he was coveting while he was up there.

 

[Mini-Me]

Care to elaborate? He violated the 4th commandment - honor thy mother and thy father?

I think he meant the one about the Sabbath. The precise division of the Ten Commandments is kind of a denominational thing, I think...

 

[erowe1]

I haven't watched it but is Mormonism a part of this rally? I haven't seen anyone mention it but you.

It doesn't seem to be. And if you've read what I've written, that's precisely why I have a problem with it. I'd respect him more if he made his Mormonism a part of it and said so explicitly, unabashedly, and knowing that in doing so he would offend the non-Mormons there.

 

[Deborah K]

I need to remember that most people here didn't grow up Catholic. When you mentioned the 9th, I was wondering for a second about whose wife he was coveting while he was up there.

Haha true! And for Catholics, the 4th commandment is about honoring our parents but it's the 5th commandment for protestants.