Beck's rally broadcast live on C-SPAN

[BlackSand]

How did be break any of those commandments? Hes talking about the Abrahamic God. Which mormons believe in. I dont see any engraved images. I didnt hear him using the lord thy gods name in vein. Its saturday, not sunday. I cant remember what 8 and 9 are off the top of my head. But I think one of them is stealing, which I havent seen him do.

 

[erowe1]

Hes no advocating Mormonism. Hes advocating God. And if my (mormon) church said were getting together with the central christian church down the street (anti mormon, preach harshly against us in their meetings) to have a pro god party...I would go in a heart beat.

And again, I don't know enough about Mormonism to know if you're representative in that, or if it's in agreement with Mormon doctrine or not. But as I said, I'm pretty sure that not too long ago, very few evangelicals would have been on board with it. Obviously Beck has been somewhat successful in his recent mission to unite conservativish people in devotion to a vague god of all religions.

 

[BlackSand]

1 No other god
2 no graven image
3 name in vein
4 sabath day
5 honor father and mother
6 kill
7 adultery
8 steal
9 lie
10 covet

Thats how I know them

 

[Pericles]

I'm not saying he hasn't done good, I've always insisted he has done good, but those people in washington with him right now worship the guy and will do what he suggests is the right thing, not what they think is the right thing and he knows it...

We have to give him credit for getting about 1 million people to show up for something - which the tea party can only do with combines local efforts. The central question is can Beck learn from the history he professes to love? If he has stopped learning - that is it. If he can finally get his head around the damage Lincoln did to the Constitution, then there is hope.

 

[silentshout]

To me, the goal of this event seems to be to make the tea party and liberty toxic. Beck, Palin, and the rest look like a bunch of sappy Bush saluting goofballs. Anyone remotely independent or moderately left will take one look at it and say, "Screw it, I'm sticking with Obama if that's the alternative."

yep. As well as the god talk mixed up with the military and jingoism. (Although I am not religious, don't have a problem with religious people..whatever you are into is no big deal to me. However, mixing religion and military/nationalism gives me the creeps.)

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

WOW! - when I started this thread I thought it would get a few views and go into thread free fall.... Just WOW!

-t

 

[silentshout]

I understand that too.

But, also the overt tone is god and that is what will be taken away from the statist media. I didnt like many parts of the speech. I hated like the part where he said to pledge 10% of your income to your church. It tarnished the entire speech and i somehow believe he was told that by church groups. Im reminded how alex jones says the church is in a lot of ways the state itself since they team up with the state in many ways (what you touched on).

Also, there wasnt a lot of discussion about "restoring" OTHER than god. Maybe i tuned in late.

But, the take away here for me is that the statist media will HATE what went on today and thats a great day if you ask me.

Well, if you talk about God with a backdrop of restoring America and glorifying the military, that seems pretty statist, or at least confusing the two. Also, it basically says to anyone who doesn't believe (or those who do believe but choose not to attend a church), is that they aren't part of America. I guess that is the intention....

 

[silentshout]

I have a theory. I think he is laying the groundwork to become a religious leader of sorts. I think he sees his days as a TV commentator and radio talk show host coming to an end for various reasons. One being that he can't say what he really wants to say like he'd be able to with his own ministry. The other being that the opposition to him has been fairly successful with their boycott projects.

He seems sincere in his quest to learn about the impact that religion had on the founding. He believes that the country was founded by divine inspiration (I believe that as well). He seems to want to get back to that principle because he believes that prayer, especially en masse, is impactful and effective. Non-religious people will NEVER understand this. But those of us who have a relationship with God understand it completely.

Btw, you can believe in God and not be religious nor belong to a church. And prayer en masse seems to contradict the prayer in private thing, seems a bit like the Pharisees if you ask me.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Btw, you can believe in God and not be religious nor belong to a church. And prayer en masse seems to contradict the prayer in private thing, seems a bit like the Pharisees if you ask me.

Look up the gospel of St Thomas

-t

 

[thehighwaymanq]

One thing I must say: the set up was terrific. With him walking back and forth like his show, and being close to ground level with the people.

I love how this was set up both for a speaker and for the audience`

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The precise division of the Ten Commandments is kind of a denominational thing, I think...

Lol! Yeah, go directly to the source (Bible) and try to look up the ten commandments. Good luck numbering them.

 

[TNforPaul45]

If you are Christian and you want to get really technical about it, there are 12 Commandments now.

The King of Kings added 2 more.

[EDIT] Oh, and He eliminated thousands and thousands of stupid Jewish/Old Testament rules, which makes life a little easier.

 

[pacelli]

If you are Christian and you want to get really technical about it, there are 12 Commandments now.

The King of Kings added 2 more.

[EDIT] Oh, and He eliminated thousands and thousands of stupid Jewish/Old Testament rules, which makes life a little easier.

There are 759 statutes, judgments, and commandments in the old & new testaments. Count them up. There aren't thousands. There are more laws in your state's traffic code than the entire scripture.

PS- Matthew 4:4 disputes your opinion that God eliminated a single law from the old testament. Did you know that when Jesus spoke the words in Matthew 4:4, not one book of the new testament had been written?

 

[Deborah K]

Btw, you can believe in God and not be religious nor belong to a church. And prayer en masse seems to contradict the prayer in private thing, seems a bit like the Pharisees if you ask me.

Right. I believe in God and don't belong to a church. Prayer en masse does not contradict prayer in private. Both are good and both are needed. There's a passage in the bible that reads something like: where there are two or more gathered in my name, I am among you.

 

[puppetmaster]

I'm not going to criticize anyone else's convictions on this. But I'm kind of intrigued and concerned by Beck's religious angle, and by how comfortable so many presumably non-Mormon Christian tea partiers are with it.

If my church made an announcement that they were going to be holding some kind of a joint prayer meeting with a Mormon church, not only would I not attend it, but I'd leave my church over it. My impression of most evangelicals only a decade ago would have been to expect the same. But now I see this new ecumenical movement Beck seems to be leading and I think I might be in a minority on that.

not a big difference between evangelical Christians and the Mormons. I know the southern baptists used to hold meetings and call theses other religions "cults" but they are very similar. If you look into the Mormon religion you would see that they are Christians also.
It is the "my religion is better than yours BS" I am not a fan of organized religion but to each his own.

disclaimer: I was baptized Mormon, I have been to many baptist churches and several catholic....do not go to any of them now.

 

[BlackSand]

We are pretty dang off topic as it is...sooo...

I understand the mindset that puppetmaster talks about, cause I was there once. I was born mormon, became agnostic, then atheist, realized its stupid to be atheist and went back to being agnostic. And now Im back to being Mormon. And I dont want to be preachy or anything...even though I know thats exactly what Im doing. But how do you know what to believe when you can interpret everything in a 1000 ways? People use the bible to justify anarchy, fascism, socialism, theocracy and everything in between. Some say God is this and others that. Some say you are saved if only you have faith, others say that faith is acts, and you can only be saved by your acts? How do you come to your own conclusions, and know with any confidence that your beliefs are correct? Wouldnt God give us an organized religion to help us understand? Or is "Trying to do whats right to the best of my knowledge" good enough?

Not a rhetorical question.

 

[Deborah K]

We are pretty dang off topic as it is...sooo...

I understand the mindset that puppetmaster talks about, cause I was there once. I was born mormon, became agnostic, then atheist, realized its stupid to be atheist and went back to being agnostic. And now Im back to being Mormon. And I dont want to be preachy or anything...even though I know thats exactly what Im doing. But how do you know what to believe when you can interpret everything in a 1000 ways? People use the bible to justify anarchy, fascism, socialism, theocracy and everything in between. Some say God is this and others that. Some say you are saved if only you have faith, others say that faith is acts, and you can only be saved by your acts? How do you come to your own conclusions, and know with any confidence that your beliefs are correct? Wouldnt God give us an organized religion to help us understand? Or is "Trying to do whats right to the best of my knowledge" good enough?

Not a rhetorical question.

God is not a puppetmaster. We have free will, which means we get make our own choices. I personally don't think it matters what your religion is. The basic tenet of all religions is to love and be loveable. Where is the harm in that?

 

[YumYum]

God is not a puppetmaster. We have free will, which means we get make our own choices. I personally don't think it matters what your religion is. The basic tenet of all religions is to love and be loveable. Where is the harm in that?

Well, its not as simple as that. Almost every religion condemns those that are not followers of like faith. Even Jesus, who I admire and respect, talked about Judgment Day. The problem with people of different religions is when they take it upon themselves to start judging and punishing others, instead of waiting on their Higher Power to do the killing for them.

 

[puppetmaster]

God is not a puppetmaster. We have free will, which means we get make our own choices. I personally don't think it matters what your religion is. The basic tenet of all religions is to love and be loveable. Where is the harm in that?

What you say is harmless, and vastly different than the actions from the majority of religions and there followers.

I do not understand why people fight and kill over their religious beliefs if it is so "basic" as you say.

 

[Deborah K]

Well, its not as simple as that. Almost every religion condemns those that are not followers of like faith. Even Jesus, who I admire and respect, talked about Judgment Day. The problem with people of different religions is when they take it upon themselves to start judging and punishing others, instead of waiting on their Higher Power to do the killing for them.

Yes it is as simple as that. It is not for us to judge whose religion is right or wrong. That has more to do with the closed mindedness of humanity and less with a core belief in doing what is right - which is to love and be loveable.