Beck's rally broadcast live on C-SPAN

So the general gist of why everyone here hates him is...

He's Christian and proud of it?

I want a better reason to hate him...

i hate him because he is a neo-con warmongering Israeli owned FAKE who is infiltrating the right-libertarian faction in order to mislead us....

He is a LIAR....

he NEVER supports TRUE liberty candidates.....he helped Rick Perry and John McCain immensely...

He ignored Rand ..ignored Schiff...ignored Hostettler......and he ridicules Ron Paul....


and his "Christianity" is an act....true Christians dnt wear it on their sleeve constantly....Beck is a swaggert
 
Im mormon. So your logic isnt really working on me.

Why not?

He wants to unite people behind God. Not a specific religion. Hes not advertising Mormonism. He just wants people to believe in God. I DONT have an issue with that.
I don't know enough about Mormonism to understand how a Mormon can believe that it's possible for people who aren't Mormons to unite with Mormons behind God without converting to Mormonism. If there's a belief in Mormonism that accommodates that, then I suppose you would quite naturally approve. But many faiths that include belief in God are exclusivist by nature, and adherents to those faiths can't pretend to be united behind God with those of different faiths. And to be honest, I guess I don't even see what the point of this ecumenical "uniting behind God" is, what it's supposed to look like, and why it's supposed to be a good thing.

Like I said above, any effort to unite diverse people as a supposed end unto itself always makes me suspicious.


Now if you say hes using God for political gain...then Id understand your hate. Or if he was trying to convert his mass following to mormonism, because its the religion he believes in...Id be ESPECIALLY uncomfortable with that.

I'm not sure exactly what his game is, but whatever it is, it's definitely political.

I'd actually be much more appreciative of what he's doing if he did try to convert them to Mormonism.
 
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YouTube - Glenn Beck Says Rick Perry Is Not What He Seems

How Glenn Beck feels about Rick Perry. I still dont understand how hes fake. I do think hes honest. Hes a lot of things, but I do think hes honest.

@payme_rick THAT I understand. And Im kind of in the same boat. I dont like mixing religion and God. It makes me uncomfortable. Government and political hacks will always hijack the message of God. Separation of church and state was to protect the churchs as much as it was to protect the state.
 
I'm kinda surprised that people are surprised there is not much 3VOL here for a media shill who called us "terrorists", sabotaged Medina, and generally exudes a diet of "honey, honey, poison" I mean really, these boards have been host to TONS of Beck back and forth... and people act surprised that it continues :confused:

So why can't we get a rally together?:confused:

We can, and have, just not on a scale that can be bought with Koch, Murdoch support...
 
YouTube - Glenn Beck Says Rick Perry Is Not What He Seems

How Glenn Beck feels about Rick Perry. I still dont understand how hes fake. I do think hes honest. Hes a lot of things, but I do think hes honest.

@payme_rick THAT I understand. And Im kind of in the same boat. I dont like mixing religion and God. It makes me uncomfortable. Government and political hacks will always hijack the message of God. Separation of church and state was to protect the churchs as much as it was to protect the state.

k, the video says 2-8... on 2-11 Beck said he wanted to french-kiss Rick Perry when he helped to derail Debra Medina's run in the primaries, closing the door on any chance Perry could lose the republican nomination...
 
@Erowe 1 Now youre really confusing me. Youd be okay if he was trying to convert his mass following to his religion? Im uncomfortable with that because I dont want to ask someone at my church and ask why hes mormon, and his answer is "Glenn Beck." I also dont want to ask someone at my church what their political views are and hear "Glenn Beck because hes inspired by God."

Im much more comfortable with him helping people get behind a UNIVERSAL truth. There is a God. yes. Mormons believe that they are the only true church. BUT we dont condemn those that believe in other religions. There is truth in all churches. Im glad hes trying to bring God back into peoples lives. but Id be comfortable if he made it about mormonism. If youre interested in mormonism, listen to Thomas Monson, not Glenn Beck.


And as far as the people hes helped in the past, and the people hes condemned in the past. Hes pulled a 360. He is MOVING towards libertarianism. But is not there yet. hes sort of a neo libertarian.

And if you hate him because hes a neocon. hes no more a neocon than any other pundit. So I dont understand why you focus on him so much.
 
We can, and have, just not on a scale that can be bought with Koch, Murdoch support...

What's the largest rally we've pulled together? It looks like Beck got 100,000 ppl.

He also raised 5.5M, or 55,000 individual $10 donations. I don't think we've done that well with the money bombs ever...

-t
 
I don't know enough about Mormonism to understand how a Mormon can believe that it's possible for people who aren't Mormons to unite with Mormons behind God without converting to Mormonism.

His model for this event is AA. It's about looking towards a higher power for strength, comfort, and encouragement (and in this case, Beck also wants the higher power to act). It's not about any specific religion.
 
i am part scottish, my ancestors listened to bagpipe music

Bag Pipes & Beck Crying again...

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i have to again totally respect what rep. ron paul recently
logically said about NYC, ground zero and legal contracts!
 
His model for this event is AA. It's about looking towards a higher power for strength, comfort, and encouragement (and in this case, Beck also wants the higher power to act). It's not about any specific religion.

Good point. I forgot about the AA influence on him.

But I think he's using that model in an innovative way that it's not really good for. In the case of AA, the unifying factor that people of different faiths share is getting sober. That's the purpose they all have that brings them together. It's not to unify behind a vague unifying god as an end unto itself.

I tend to think that there's also another nonreligious unifying factor here, and that it's a political one. I'd rather Beck just say so, rather than suppress that by saying, "This isn't about politics." It still wouldn't be the kind of rally I would get into, but I could at least feel like it's clear what it's about. And for all my aversion to this vague ecumenical getting behind god idea, I'm all for joining with people of different faiths to get behind a political agenda we share, while being perfectly honest about our religious differences and not downplaying their importance in the process.
 
Good point. I forgot about the AA influence on him.

But I think he's using that model in an innovative way that it's not really good for. In the case of AA, the unifying factor that people of different faiths share is getting sober. That's the purpose they all have that brings them together. It's not to unify behind a vague unifying god as an end unto itself.

I tend to think that there's also another nonreligious unifying factor here, and that it's a political one. I'd rather Beck just say so, rather than suppress that by saying, "This isn't about politics." It still wouldn't be the kind of rally I would get into, but I could at least feel like it's clear what it's about. And for all my aversion to this vague ecumenical getting behind god idea, I'm all for joining with people of different faiths to get behind a political agenda we share, while being perfectly honest about our religious differences and not downplaying their importance in the process.

I know what you mean. It's like he's getting everyone all up in an emotional and religious fervor to dull their critical thinking for some yet-to-be-revealed hidden purpose. The whole "unity for unity's sake with no political agenda" pretense is totally transparent, given that it's an obviously right-wing partisan rally. There's just something creepy and ominous about it.
 
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I know what you mean. It's like he's getting everyone all up in an emotional and religious fervor for some yet-to-be-revealed hidden purpose. There's just something creepy about it.

Yep...definite agenda. He didn't put this little show on for nothing. Something is up for sure.
 
Yep...definite agenda. He didn't put this little show on for nothing. Something is up for sure.

It creeps me the hell out. You know what I think of when I hear, "U-S-A!" chants? I think of this:
George Orwell's 1984 said:
At this moment the entire group of people broke into a deep, slow, rhythmical chant of "B-B! . . . B-B! . . . B-B!" over and over again, very slowly, with a long pause between the first "B" and the second -- a heavy, murmurous sound, somehow curiously savage, in the background of which one seemed to hear the stamp of naked feet and the throbbing of tom-toms. For perhaps as much as thirty seconds they kept it up. It was a refrain that was often heard in moments of overwhelming emotion. Partly it was a sort of hymn to the wisdom and majesty of Big Brother, but still more it was an act of self-hypnosis, a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise. Winston's entrails seemed to grow cold. In the Two Minutes Hate he could not help sharing in the general delirium, but this subhuman chanting of "B-B! . . . B-B!" always filled him with horror. Of course he chanted with the rest: it was impossible to do otherwise. To dissemble your feelings, to control your face, to do what everyone else was doing, was an instinctive reaction. But there was a space of a couple of seconds during which the expression in his eyes might conceivably have betrayed him.
 
Beck ends critical thinking. Is that why you hate him? I somewhat understand that. Although because of him, books like Atlas shrugged are best sellers again...And he constantly tells people to go to the library and learn...
 
@Erowe 1 Now youre really confusing me. Youd be okay if he was trying to convert his mass following to his religion? Im uncomfortable with that because I dont want to ask someone at my church and ask why hes mormon, and his answer is "Glenn Beck." I also dont want to ask someone at my church what their political views are and hear "Glenn Beck because hes inspired by God."

I can see that. It seems like you want him to be either political or religious, but not both.

I feel kind of the same way, only I would add to that that if he does want to be both, then when he plays the religious angle, it should be an overtly Mormon one, not some all-inclusive thing.

If the so-called god that he's trying to bring into people's lives is just whatever they already believe in anyway, then he's not doing anything. So, I don't think that his real purpose with this rally is any kind of spiritual awakening, it's to manipulate the way people look at their own spiritual lives and the spiritual lives of everyone else in this Glen Beck movement, and to minimize whatever perceptions they might have about being different, and to maximize their perception of being the same. He's trying to make sure that, whenever he talks about something he supports, he has this "God" trump card that will work on as many people as possible, no matter what they believe.
 
Beck ends critical thinking. Is that why you hate him? I somewhat understand that. Although because of him, books like Atlas shrugged are best sellers again...And he constantly tells people to go to the library and learn...

I'm not saying he hasn't done good, I've always insisted he has done good, but those people in washington with him right now worship the guy and will do what he suggests is the right thing, not what they think is the right thing and he knows it...
 
What's the largest rally we've pulled together? It looks like Beck got 100,000 ppl.

He also raised 5.5M, or 55,000 individual $10 donations. I don't think we've done that well with the money bombs ever...

-t

We'd get up to around 12k.

This ain't just "Beck" getting them together...

We raised over 6 million at the first revived "Tea Party" 12/16/07

Here is an overhead pic of today that was just on FB

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It creeps me out to see the word "hate" being used frivolously...
 
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