Worldwide Outrage Grows Over Condemned Iranian Pastor

[oyarde]

This is what I hear from Christians. Radical Islamists are intent on taking-over America and installing Sharia law. They hate us for our freedoms, and if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, then they will destroy us all.

I don't agree with it at all, but I think that concept is reinforced by Sean Hannity and many Christian churches here in America.

I will guess that we know more Muslims than Sean.

 

[oyarde]

Thousands of Americans languishing in rape cages because they had the temerity to own a substance the government chooses to prohibit. Where is the international outrage? An awful lot of Christians think that is a GOOD thing.

THey are mis guided.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

sooo, this is aimed at making the evangelicals here foam at the mouth when it comes to Iran even more.

propaganda is as propaganda does.

Yep, they are beating the war drums into a frenzy.

 

[bolil]

And in other news someone was murdered... somewhere...

 

[oyarde]

And in other news someone was murdered... somewhere...

Or killed by a tornado , hurricane , earthquake ..... if some thug does not get ya , Mother Nature may....

 

[flightlesskiwi]

Or killed by a tornado , hurricane , earthquake ..... if some thug does not get ya , Mother Nature may....

the "cost" of living is that you will eventually die.

 

[AbVag]

The U.S. House, Donald Trump, worldwide Christian and human rights groups, a Brazilian soccer legend, and Twitter users in 198 countries walk into a bar....

I had a half a mind to say that and the other half said to go ahead. So I did.

 

[bunklocoempire]

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/WorldwideOutrageGrowsOverCondemnedIranianPastor/2012/03/03/id/431293



A couple things I think warrant mentioning here that I bolded:

1. The ONLY thing that has kept this Pastor alive is public opinion. Iran still cares about how they are perceived in the outside world and that is why his death sentence has been pushed back a number of times. Not threats of war or sanctions but public opinion. If we do go to war - I assume that will no longer matter to them and this guy will be executed.

2. The House vote was unanimous. The sole nay vote was a democrat who claims she voted against it by accident. So I assume Ron voted for it as well?

This link was posted on a gun forum bashing Paul and whipping up the "kill all Muslims & save a Christian" vibe.

ht tp://cnsnews.com/news/article/resolution-calling-iran-release-death-row-pastor-draws-huge-support

GOP presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was among 10 lawmakers who did not vote.

I posted this in reply:

Here's what coercion and jingoism really gets Christians -not to mention the others who God would also have saved. The Iraq example:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n...-christian-community-finds-itself-devastated/

As Iraq war winds down, Christian community finds itself ‘devastated’.
He noted that more than 150,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the war. In addition to the cost in human lives, the war has “absolutely devastated” the Christian community in Iraq, he said.

He explained that according to U.N. estimates, “almost half of Iraq’s middle and professional classes have fled.”

A large percentage of this class was Christian, he said, observing that about 75 percent of the Iraq’s Christian, Mandaean and Yazidi minorities have left their homes.

A recent report by the U.S. State Department found that the Christian population in the country is currently less than half of what it was in 2003.

John 15:18–21
18“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

It certainly raises flags when the "world", and especially the 'glass house of the USA' suddenly gives a rip about Christians. Trouble soon to follow.

 

[BlackTerrel]

There is no outrage because they are Muslims. Muslims are okay to kill without trial according to BlackTerrell.

Really? Based on what?

Where's the outrage for all the innocent civilians killed by Predator drones?

There is a lot of outrage for that. Offline and on this forum as well.

In addition killing someone just because they are Christian is also outrageous... shocking I know.

 

[BlackTerrel]

sooo, this is aimed at making the evangelicals here foam at the mouth when it comes to Iran even more.

propaganda is as propaganda does.

Or perhaps it's meant to send a propaganda message to Christians living in Iran (and many other countries) that they better know their place.

 

[moderate libertarian]

Considering that:

A- this Iranian christian citizen almost certainly will not be executed by Iran . Iran is a target of war fevere media campaign by neocons.
B- 8 innocent Afghan muslim children were killed by nato bomb attack couple of weeks ago. Not an isolated incidence but a growing trend.


Blackterreal, won't such a "worldwide outrage" over A instead of over B by same media that mostly ignored plight of millions of Iraqi christians somewhat manufactured and even racist?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Considering that:

A- this Iranian christian citizen almost certainly will not be executed by Iran . Iran is a target of war fevere media campaign by neocons.

I hope you are right. If you are the only thing keeping him alive is the attention this case is getting. Not sure why that is a bad thing.

B- 8 innocent Afghan muslim children were killed by nato bomb attack couple of weeks ago. Not an isolated incidence but a growing trend.


Blackterreal, won't such a "worldwide outrage" over A instead of over B by same media that mostly ignored plight of millions of Iraqi christians somewhat manufactured and even racist?

The name is Terrel BTW. The media by the way has largely ignored this for a year - only recently that Kaka, and a bunch of organizations spotlighted it are the starting to take notice and even then it is relatively small compared to many other issues.

It also highlights a larger issue. If conversion to Christianity is punishable by death (and Iran is not the only country where this is law) there are millions of other Christians also living in fear and discrimination that never get mentioned.

 

[ExPatPaki]

There is a lot of outrage for that. Offline and on this forum as well.

I didn't realize that the US congress had passed a resolution condemning the deaths of Muslim children. Do you have a link for that?

 

[ExPatPaki]

there are millions of other Christians also living in fear and discrimination that never get mentioned.

This is quite true in your small mind, but not true in reality.

 

[oyarde]

I do not think this involves racism....

 

[ExPatPaki]

Or perhaps it's meant to send a propaganda message to Christians living in Iran (and many other countries) that they better know their place.

Christians in Iran are fine, as long as they are the native Armenian Orthodox Christians of Iran. It's this cancerous evangelical and Satanic "Church of Iran", that is foreign to Iran, and therefore not trusted by the government there, and rightly so.

The Orthodox Christians of Iran view the "Church of Iran" Christians are heretics who cause nothing but problems with Iran's Muslim population.

 

[oyarde]

I didn't realize that the US congress had passed a resolution condemning the deaths of Muslim children. Do you have a link for that?

I condemn it . I also wish all death associated with any religion to go away. If you are going to be pissed off enough to hurt others , it darn sure should be for something a bit more legitimate , but , hey , that is just me .

 

[flightlesskiwi]

I hope you are right. If you are the only thing keeping him alive is the attention this case is getting. Not sure why that is a bad thing.




The name is Terrel BTW. The media by the way has largely ignored this for a year - only recently that Kaka, and a bunch of organizations spotlighted it are the starting to take notice and even then it is relatively small compared to many other issues.

It also highlights a larger issue. If conversion to Christianity is punishable by death (and Iran is not the only country where this is law) there are millions of other Christians also living in fear and discrimination that never get mentioned.

the Bible tells us to not live in fear. and, as bunklocoempire pointed out, Jesus himself said the world would hate us just as it hated Him.

Romans 5, Terrel. Romans 5:3 & 4. "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and characterproduces hope."

it's going to get worse. my suggestion: pray for these who are persecuted, and pray for those who do the persecuting. our hope is not in this world. our hope is not even found in the life we are provided in this world. we are merely ambassadors, in fact we are a mist that vanishes quickly.

what can "they" do? take our lives?? Romans 8:38&39 "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I can assure you, Youcef Nadarkhani, and those who choose Christ under penalty of death understand this in a much more practical way than we can. for now.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

It's amazing that on this forum, it is wrong to say that Iran should not execute people based on religion, and it is ok for people to call for the execution of everyone who changes religions.

 

[oyarde]

It's amazing that on this forum, it is wrong to say that Iran should not execute people based on religion, and it is ok for people to call for the execution of everyone who changes religions.

Lets say , we take a break for some beer, steaks & chicken wings and think about this,,,, Apostacy carries ths "odd ' penalty , I am not OK with it ,do not believe it was really intended exactly like it is currently , but let us at least , come to some agreement that it is the penalty , that there should be a burden of proof and that people should not be falsely accused of this ..... I believe in Liberty , but I have been in many places where that is not exactly the case...