Worldwide Outrage Grows Over Condemned Iranian Pastor

[Revolution9]

[h=2] Worldwide Outrage Grows Over Condemned Iranian Pastor [/h]
Not in Croatia or Bosnia and Herzegovinia.... Never heard of it.

Me neither. And I pay attention. Aren't the MSM and yellow journalists..but I repeat myself.. condemning Islamic clerics here every hour on some news channel or other. Tit for tat shit has got to stop.

Rev9

 

[BlackTerrel]

Christians in Iran are fine, as long as they are the native Armenian Orthodox Christians of Iran. It's this cancerous evangelical and Satanic "Church of Iran", that is foreign to Iran, and therefore not trusted by the government there, and rightly so.

The Orthodox Christians of Iran view the "Church of Iran" Christians are heretics who cause nothing but problems with Iran's Muslim population.

Why? Why does it cause so much fear? What is so scary and bothersome about someone converting to Christianity?

 

[ExPatPaki]

Why? Why does it cause so much fear? What is so scary and bothersome about someone converting to Christianity?

It's not just Muslims who despise missionaries. Hindus also don't care much for them, and thankfully many "Christians" are converting back to Hinduism in India.

Evangelical Christianity is a hateful religion which has brought nothing but death and destruction to Iran's neighbor, Iraq. 500,000 kids killed by American sanctions. Why should Iran welcome such a hateful religion? Iran doesn't need your hypocritical, apartheid-supporting form of Christianity.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Then let`s kill all who convert to Islam. Would be fair judging by your lack of logic.

Your sarcasm detector a little weak today?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It's not just Muslims who despise missionaries. Hindus also don't care much for them, and thankfully many "Christians" are converting back to Hinduism in India.

Evangelical Christianity is a hateful religion which has brought nothing but death and destruction to Iran's neighbor, Iraq. 500,000 kids killed by American sanctions. Why should Iran welcome such a hateful religion?

How did Evangelical Christianity cause American sanctions?

 

[oyarde]

How did Evangelical Christianity cause American sanctions?

I dunno ..

 

[ExPatPaki]

Evangelical Christian leaders were at the forefront of supporting aggression against Iraq, because they believe it will bring the second coming of Jesus. It doesn't matter how many brown people die as a result, as long as the political goals of peaceful Christianity go forward. The sanctions were just a start of this aggression and no evangelical Christian leader ever condemned them. These Christians also supported the Iraq war in order to convert Muslims in Iraq. Of course, after you kill the parents of Muslim children, then they are ripe for conversion for Christianity. Why shouldn't Iran be against this form of Christianity?

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According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse

 

[jmdrake]

Is the outrage even more worldwide than that over 16 year old semitic US citizen that was assasinated by Iran Obama's agencies few months ago without due process of law?

He was a Muslim, therefore it's okay to kill him without a trial.

There is no outrage because they are Muslims. Muslims are okay to kill without trial according to BlackTerrell.

Then let`s kill all who convert to Islam. Would be fair judging by your lack of logic.

Go ahead and do it. I'm not going to stop you.

Yeah , but was he really a Mulim ? , the evidence supports that he never participated in religion before , his parents are Muslim though , so is that it ?

JuciyG and oyarde your sarcasm meter is broken. ExPatPaki was not talking about the pastor in the OP but rather Anwar Al Awlaki who was killed by our current president without trial. Now I know most everybody here disagrees with the Awlaki assassination, but the not to subtle point being made is that for most Americans killing someone without due process is apparently okay as long as the American government, which obviously can be trusted, said that person did something "really really bad". Iran's only mistake is not trumping up charges against this pastor for terrorism.

 

[jmdrake]

Why? Why does it cause so much fear? What is so scary and bothersome about someone converting to Christianity?

Well when you consider that some Christians are so delusional about Islam that they believe Iran wants to start World War 3 to set off some unnamed "Koran" prophecy, I could see Muslims being afraid of that just like some delusional Christians are afraid of Islam. And the whole "Left behind" theology, couple with it's blockbuster movies and videogames where Christians kill non-believers and its belief that 144,000 Jews will convert to Christianity and the rest will be killed, is rather frightening even to other Christians.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Well when you consider that some Christians are so delusional about Islam that they believe Iran wants to start World War 3 to set off some unnamed "Koran" prophecy, I could see Muslims being afraid of that just like some delusional Christians are afraid of Islam. And the whole "Left behind" theology, couple with it's blockbuster movies and videogames where Christians kill non-believers and its belief that 144,000 Jews will convert to Christianity and the rest will be killed, is rather frightening even to other Christians.

They makes video games. They clearly need to die.

 

[wannaberocker]

It's not just Muslims who despise missionaries. Hindus also don't care much for them, and thankfully many "Christians" are converting back to Hinduism in India.

Evangelical Christianity is a hateful religion which has brought nothing but death and destruction to Iran's neighbor, Iraq. 500,000 kids killed by American sanctions. Why should Iran welcome such a hateful religion? Iran doesn't need your hypocritical, apartheid-supporting form of Christianity.

yes yes those evil christians, they deserve what comes to them. Not only do the Muslims hate them, so do the hindu's. So clearly both religions can't be wrong in their hatred of Christians.

You are the same man who raved about the hateful Americans who would not let a Muslim join the local GOP. Yet, here you expose your own hate. The hate that you cannot disguise, hate that comes out of every word you speak.

now I know I will get a whole bunch of neg rep for this from people. I know its absolutely unacceptable on RPF to be critical of anything Islam related. But like I told you once before, you sir are full of hate and that hate can't always stay covers by the front of level handedness. In time that hate comes pouring out.

but of course most people on RPF prob agree with you so, you can look forward to a few reP +.

 

[wannaberocker]

sooo, this is aimed at making the evangelicals here foam at the mouth when it comes to Iran even more.

propaganda is as propaganda does.


(i don't mean to sound cold-hearted about his situation... the man made a choice to follow Christ and his sticking by it even under threat of losing his life should, at the least, make most american christians, myself included, question what it is they truly value in this world. it's just the politics of it and the way it's being spun in light the increasing loudness of the war drums is disgusting to me.)

I am reminded of the passages where Jesus says "I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in".

where are this man's brothers and sisters in Christ? Do they even exist? Is it propaganda for this man and his family? What we call propaganda is real life for him.

 

[wannaberocker]

the Bible tells us to not live in fear. and, as bunklocoempire pointed out, Jesus himself said the world would hate us just as it hated Him.

Romans 5, Terrel. Romans 5:3 & 4. "More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and characterproduces hope."

it's going to get worse. my suggestion: pray for these who are persecuted, and pray for those who do the persecuting. our hope is not in this world. our hope is not even found in the life we are provided in this world. we are merely ambassadors, in fact we are a mist that vanishes quickly.

what can "they" do? take our lives?? Romans 8:38&39 "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I can assure you, Youcef Nadarkhani, and those who choose Christ under penalty of death understand this in a much more practical way than we can. for now.

if I see a man ready to hurt or injure another man. I can pray for the victim and I can also pray for the attacker. But I can also try to stop the attack.

I mean the whole thing sort of reminds me of the good Samaritan story. I know politically being non interventionist is the rally cry. But when did being non intervention also become the norm in our Christian life also? I mean should I tell a hungry child? God will give you food, but not do anything to to feed him? Or should I let him starve and tell him not to fear death because in heaven there will be no such thing as hunger?

 

[pcosmar]

where are this man's brothers and sisters in Christ? Do they even exist? Is it propaganda for this man and his family? What we call propaganda is real life for him.

Well there are other Christian churches operating openly in Iran.
Perhaps they are doing some,, or perhaps there are reasons they are not.

I don't think a lot of folks would jump to the defense of Westboro Baptist..
Possibly,, just possibly, there is more to this story than a couple blogs are saying.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

I am reminded of the passages where Jesus says "I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in".

where are this man's brothers and sisters in Christ? Do they even exist? Is it propaganda for this man and his family? What we call propaganda is real life for him.

i understand that perfectly. and i 100% stick by my opinion here.. his situation is being exploited to the Western world in order to ramp up hatred for Iranians/Iran.

Paul was also abandoned. and God used it for his good.

as far as the intervention: there are plenty of people in my hometown that are sick, hungry, thirsty, and have no shelter that i can (and do) help.

so all i can do for this man and his family is pray.

 

[wannaberocker]

Well there are other Christian churches operating openly in Iran.
Perhaps they are doing some,, or perhaps there are reasons they are not.

I don't think a lot of folks would jump to the defense of Westboro Baptist..
Possibly,, just possibly, there is more to this story than a couple blogs are saying.

and how much power and authority do those local churches have in Iran? Do they have any authority to have this man's life spared? Do they even dare speak up when a fellow Christian is already facing death?

and I would defant Westbrook baptist if they were targeted for death.

 

[pcosmar]

and how much power and authority do those local churches have in Iran? Do they have any authority to have this man's life spared? Do they even dare speak up when a fellow Christian is already facing death?

and I would defant Westbrook baptist if they were targeted for death.

Power and authority?
???
I don't see that in Christs teachings.
And I would and do respect the Westboro folks right to their speech and opinions,, but I would not consider them Christian.
Perhaps because "christian" has become so distorted as to be almost meaningless..

Tell me,, would you also support Joseph Kony?
After he is a "christian" fighting evil.

isn't he... ?
He says he is.

 

[wannaberocker]

i understand that perfectly. and i 100% stick by my opinion here.. his situation is being exploited to the Western world in order to ramp up hatred for Iranians/Iran.

Paul was also abandoned. and God used it for his good.

as far as the intervention: there are plenty of people in my hometown that are sick, hungry, thirsty, and have no shelter that i can (and do) help.

so all i can do for this man and his family is pray.

really a man's life is on the line and the first thing that comes to mind is "its propaganda for the west so they develop hatred for Iran? Trust me when the stories of such madness come out from countries like Iran, the hope of the Christians being persecuted is simply that the west will maybe help save a life.

what does Paul's abandonment really mean? Are you suggesting that we abandon all who find them selves in such a situation?of course you are not.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

really a man's life is on the line and the first thing that comes to mind is "its propaganda for the west so they develop hatred for Iran? Trust me when the stories of such madness come out from countries like Iran, the hope of the Christians being persecuted is simply that the west will maybe help save a life.

what does Paul's abandonment really mean? Are you suggesting that we abandon all who find them selves in such a situation?of course you are not.

i'm saying it's being used as propaganda.

big difference.

and you are putting words on a page that i did not type. i'm saying in the Christian life, sometimes we are abandoned when we fall into persecution. you were asking "where are his christian brothers and sisters?" and that was my response. even Jesus was abandoned, dongkong.

 

[wannaberocker]

Power and authority?
???
I don't see that in Christs teachings.
And I would and do respect the Westboro folks right to their speech and opinions,, but I would not consider them Christian.
Perhaps because "christian" has become so distorted as to be almost meaningless..

Tell me,, would you also support Joseph Kony?
After he is a "christian" fighting evil.

isn't he... ?
He says he is.

you said that other Christians in Iran might be doing something for this man. So I asked the question what can the do? Do they have any authority to do anything?or influence to something(ie save his life)? I don't know were you connected Christ teaching to the Christians in Iran being able to save his life or not.

as far as Christian almost becoming meaningless. I can debate true doctrine with a man later on and find out if he follows the true doctrine or not. However I would not preemptively reject the man and decide his life is not worth saving because there is a chance that he does not follow the true doctrine.

Kony is someone who also practiced witchcraft. There is also evidence of Kony's crimes. But as far as this pastor is concerned, I have not heard any stories of him killing anyone or using violence against anyone. So what exactly is your point when you mention kony in relation to this story?