Worldwide Outrage Grows Over Condemned Iranian Pastor

[wannaberocker]

i'm saying it's being used as propaganda.

big difference.

and you are putting words on a page that i did not type. i'm saying in the Christian life, sometimes we are abandoned when we fall into persecution. you were asking "where are his christian brothers and sisters?" and that was my response. even Jesus was abandoned, dongkong.

well I have to wonder how its propaganda if a story that is currently being played out is reported. Would it be better if the story was not reported at all?

let me ask you, did you develop a dislike for Iran after this story?

and sure in our lives we can face abandonment. But that is no excuse to wash our hands and say well "it happens".

 

[BlackTerrel]

It's not just Muslims who despise missionaries. Hindus also don't care much for them, and thankfully many "Christians" are converting back to Hinduism in India.

Why thankfully? Is there any indication that India benefits from less Christians?

Evangelical Christianity is a hateful religion which has brought nothing but death and destruction to Iran's neighbor, Iraq. 500,000 kids killed by American sanctions. Why should Iran welcome such a hateful religion? Iran doesn't need your hypocritical, apartheid-supporting form of Christianity.

I think there is a difference between welcoming and killing anyone who professes a certain religion.

What are the negatives in your mind? What if Iran allowed conversion with no penalties? What would happen?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Well when you consider that some Christians are so delusional about Islam that they believe Iran wants to start World War 3 to set off some unnamed "Koran" prophecy, I could see Muslims being afraid of that just like some delusional Christians are afraid of Islam. And the whole "Left behind" theology, couple with it's blockbuster movies and videogames where Christians kill non-believers and its belief that 144,000 Jews will convert to Christianity and the rest will be killed, is rather frightening even to other Christians.

How about an American immigrant from Pakistan who supposedly supports Ron Paul and the doctrine of peace? Why would a person like that support killing people who leave Islam?

i'm saying it's being used as propaganda.

big difference.

and you are putting words on a page that i did not type. i'm saying in the Christian life, sometimes we are abandoned when we fall into persecution. you were asking "where are his christian brothers and sisters?" and that was my response. even Jesus was abandoned, dongkong.

The only reason this guy is still alive is because people have spoken up.

 

[ExPatPaki]

Why thankfully? Is there any indication that India benefits from less Christians?

Yes, you can do your own research on this:

http://christianaggression.com/

Here's just one article that they link to:

Suspected religious conversion racket busted in Mangalore

ocial welfare department officials on Sunday busted an alleged religious conversion racket in Haleyangadi gram panchayat limits in Mangalore city police limits.

The officials raided ‘Ebenezer prayer hall’ run by a couple, KJ Joy and Elizabeth, without a licence following complaints of child labour being used on the premises. However, policemen, accompanying the raiding party, ended up cracking a religious conversion racket allegedly run by the couple.

Five children, including four girls, were confined to the hall. One of girls had been allegedly raped by Joy.

Locals stormed the prayer hall and assaulted Joy. However, the police prevented the situation from going beyond their control. Both Joy and Elizabeth were arrested.

The couple had been running the ‘prayer hall’ on the pretext of rehabilitating destitute children. The locals alleged that the five children had been kidnapped by the couple.

The police said they were looking into all angles. The rape victim said she was goaded every day by the couple to convert to a different religion.

The rescued children were sent to the child protection centre. Cases of wrongful confinement of minors, physical and mental abuse of the children and running a prayer hall without permission of the authorities and polluting the area have been registered against the couple.

I think there is a difference between welcoming and killing anyone who professes a certain religion.

That's quite funny coming from a pathetic hypocrite as yourself.

What are the negatives in your mind?

Dead Muslim children which Christians think is a good thing for their conversion purposes.

 

[ExPatPaki]

Why would a person like that support killing people who leave Islam?

Because he follows his religion.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Evangelical Christian leaders were at the forefront of supporting aggression against Iraq, because they believe it will bring the second coming of Jesus. It doesn't matter how many brown people die as a result, as long as the political goals of peaceful Christianity go forward. The sanctions were just a start of this aggression and no evangelical Christian leader ever condemned them. These Christians also supported the Iraq war in order to convert Muslims in Iraq. Of course, after you kill the parents of Muslim children, then they are ripe for conversion for Christianity. Why shouldn't Iran be against this form of Christianity?

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So you condemn the whole religion because a few people use it to justify evil? Atheism has been used for the same purposes. There isn't an origins idea in existence that can't be twisted for the evil desires of men.

 

[ExPatPaki]

So you condemn the whole religion because a few people use it to justify evil?

Not all Christianity. Just the evangelical types. Islam usually has had good relations with Eastern Orthodox missionaries as opposed to those from Western churches.

 

[JuicyG]

Because he follows his religion.

Mayans and Incas were following their religion when performing pointless human sacrifices.

 

[pcosmar]

Not all Christianity. Just the evangelical types. Islam usually has had good relations with Eastern Orthodox missionaries as opposed to those from Western churches.

"christianity"??

There are many things that pass themselves off as "christian".
Hell,,Joseph Kony calls his movement "christian"
Jim Jones was another one that used that claim.

Please do not lump charlatans in as Christians.
Hell,, for a point of fact,, the Crusades were a political power play that used the name,, but were anything but Christian.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

How about an American immigrant from Pakistan who supposedly supports Ron Paul and the doctrine of peace? Why would a person like that support killing people who leave Islam?

Open borders! You got a problem with letting people into the country that will eventually want to kill you? You are a racist!

 

[WilliamC]

"Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight."

Mark Twain.

 

[jmdrake]

They makes video games. They clearly need to die.

Well since I am a Christian and I do like video games (have even made a few) I'm not at all suggesting anyone needs to "die" over that so your rude sarcasm is unwarranted. My point is that the theology portrayed in that game, the idea that in the future Christians will need to engage in physical violence against the "forces of the antichrist" is the same theology some Christians allege some Muslims of having. If you can't see that...I pray God will grant you spiritual eyesight that you can. There is a reason that Paul said "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12" Take the OP story. I agree that what's going on in Iran is bad. It should be addressed through Christlike means. (Praying for our enemies. Doing good to those who despitefully use us etc.) How many leaders in the country are advocating that we pray for the Ayatollah of Iran?

 

[jmdrake]

How about an American immigrant from Pakistan who supposedly supports Ron Paul and the doctrine of peace? Why would a person like that support killing people who leave Islam?

If you've followed ExPatPaki's post over any length of time then you should know that he's actually left Islam himself. He's yanking your chain. But let's say he's not. Two wrongs make a right? I was answering the question of why Muslims might fear Christianity. Saying "Well there's this Muslim guy that seems pretty out there" doesn't change that. Now if everyone will take a deep breath, back away from confrontation, follow Christ's principles of the Golden Rule and loving your enemies (you know, the Christian stuff that god Ron Paul booed by Christian conservatives), and work on getting "beams out of our own eye" the world would be a much better place. For instance, did you read about the retired Sunday School teacher that got shot 5 times by a cop because she was leaving the scene without his "permission". And maybe you just missed that thread. I certainly miss a lot. But my point is really really bad stuff is happening right here in our own country that people can do something about. Take the TSA. Have you finally researched the truth about that and are you ready to fight against it? Or are you going to stick with your "the government can see me naked" position ignore the fact that CHILDREN are being scanned and ignore the fact that children and adults are being SEXUALLY MOLESTED by the TSA and think it's somehow all good because supposedly it's to keep us safe? Fight the fight we have to fight in America. Pray for those who have to fight in Iran. And pray for the people fighting them to. Again "pray for your enemies".

The only reason this guy is still alive is because people have spoken up.

Cool. Now when are you going to speak up against TSA molestation? I have a friend who recently told me the TSA agent wanted to grope his genitals with the front of his hand. When are you going to consistently speak up against police brutality in this country? How many retired Sunday School teachers have to get gunned down before you get really really mad?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

That's quite funny coming from a pathetic hypocrite as yourself.

What's even funnier is that you think he's guilty of aggression just because some people who happen to believe the same things he does have committed aggression. One word: collectivist.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Because he follows his religion.

What makes you think the religion itself is at fault instead of the people? I think most people here can tell you are more than a little biased and you are not being fair. That kind of collectivism has been just as responsible for some of the worst atrocities in history just as much as Christians are.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Not all Christianity. Just the evangelical types. Islam usually has had good relations with Eastern Orthodox missionaries as opposed to those from Western churches.

What about evangelism makes it particularly aggressive?

 

[pcosmar]

What about evangelism makes it particularly aggressive?

People,,
I am a Christian and I have seen some of that. Pushy and in yer face types that won't take "no thank you" for an answer.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Yes, you can do your own research on this:

http://christianaggression.com/

Here's just one article that they link to:

Suspected religious conversion racket busted in Mangalore

So two Christians raped people is your evidence that Christianity causes harm in a country of a billion people?

Do Christians rape more than other religions? Any evidence to back that up?

Not all Christianity. Just the evangelical types. Islam usually has had good relations with Eastern Orthodox missionaries as opposed to those from Western churches.

So do you also support killing a Muslim who converts to Eastern Orthodox Christianity? Or do you oppose that?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Open borders! You got a problem with letting people into the country that will eventually want to kill you? You are a racist!

I have more of a problem with a member of this forum openly supporting people who convert to Christianity and in a thread with 70 replies very few have an issue with it.

 

[BlackTerrel]

If you've followed ExPatPaki's post over any length of time then you should know that he's actually left Islam himself. He's yanking your chain. But let's say he's not. Two wrongs make a right?

No he's really not. He's had many opportunities to deny it and he's consistently said that conversion to Christianity should equal death and that all good Muslims believe this as well.

Cool. Now when are you going to speak up against TSA molestation? I have a friend who recently told me the TSA agent wanted to grope his genitals with the front of his hand. When are you going to consistently speak up against police brutality in this country? How many retired Sunday School teachers have to get gunned down before you get really really mad?

You're acting like we don't have enough threads about the TSA.

Here's the thing with this Pastor. Speaking up IS doing something. The reason he is still alive is BECAUSE of people posting it on Facebook and Twitter and forums. It got zero media attention for a long time and still is getting relatively little.

And it's an indication of a broader issue. If conversion to Christianity is actually punishable by death - how do you think Christians or minority groups in general are treated?

People in this country generally have it pretty good. Could we be better? Fuck yeah we could be a lot better. But compared to 90% of the world I'll take what we have.