Witness Says Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman

[Brian4Liberty]

Rodney King race riots were black-white race issue, his father is claiming that George Zimmerman himself is a minority:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2017819414.html

Racial propaganda in politics works best in black and white. What could be more simple?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Why the hell would Trayvon attack Zimmerman?

Zimmerman was in a car, with a gun, and was following Trayvon who was holding skittles.

So the eyewitness is saying that Trayvon after being stalked and chased by Zimmerman turned around and stood up for himself? Duh. What else is he supposed to do?

If I start a fight with you and then you fight back I can shoot you and say it was self defense? Really? Oh Glenn Beck...

 

[puppetmaster]

Methinks azxd is a cop....

Xing.ding. or an informant

 

[Elfshadow]

as a person who carries a gun and lives in Orlando, i would hope that you dont ever suspect me of following you.

and, last time i checked, following someone in public isnt illegal. attacking someone, is.

as for this case specifically, im not going to comment further because the whole one-news-agency-says-one-thing-and-another-news-agency-says-the-opposite is a total crap shoot.

As a person who lives in Orlando and carries a gun don't follow me. It's quite simple. Don't follow someone because you don't know how they will react.

 

[Elfshadow]

And you might then get yourself shot as well.



It is far from concluded whether the boy was being "hunted", as you put it.



One usually opens the door and then steps out, though I have seen people crawl out a window on an occasion or two.




And how, precisely, do you know this? Have you read any eyewitness accounts of what happened from the beginning?

I would agree, however, that something appears not to be adding up. The boy is being touted as this great angel, but if he in fact attacked Zimmerman, then someone in all of this is perhaps lying because good kids do not usually act so out of character. That leads me to wonder whether Zimmerman was the bad guy or if the boy was not quite so angelic as is being depicted.

This is likely to go to trial, I would imagine, given the tensions that are building. Even if Zimmerman is clean on this I see him standing trial because of the politics.

I have Zimmerman's and the 911 account that he was following the kid around in a car. So a stranger in a car is following you. How are you going to react? Why did he get out of the car? Thats the whole key to this thing. Why did he get out. Its really not hard to see a teenage kid attacking someone that they think is stalking them.

 

[RonPaulMall]

I have Zimmerman's and the 911 account that he was following the kid around in a car. So a stranger in a car is following you. How are you going to react? Why did he get out of the car? Thats the whole key to this thing. Why did he get out. Its really not hard to see a teenage kid attacking someone that they think is stalking them.

What does that have to do with anything though? Following someone on a public street is not a crime. Nor is getting out of the car to ask them a question. Since Zimmerman was not doing anything unlawful, he has a right under Florida law to defend himself against attack. Period. We are not analyzing whether Martin should be charged with assault and battery or not. The only questions is whether Zimmerman committed a crime in killing Martin, and thus far, there is simply no evidence to suggest this was a criminal shooting.

 

[bolil]

Well I gotta tell you if you where following me around well I walked around a neighborhood I might attack you to. .

This.

 

[MelissaWV]

What does that have to do with anything though? Following someone on a public street is not a crime. Nor is getting out of the car to ask them a question. Since Zimmerman was not doing anything unlawful, he has a right under Florida law to defend himself against attack. Period. We are not analyzing whether Martin should be charged with assault and battery or not. The only questions is whether Zimmerman committed a crime in killing Martin, and thus far, there is simply no evidence to suggest this was a criminal shooting.

You're assuming that Zimmerman, who was following Martin around in his vehicle for long enough that Martin noted it during a phonecall and said his reaction was going to be to "walk faster," got out of his car and politely asked a question. That all remains to be determined, since despite the title of this thread NO ONE SAW WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT POINT. No one witnessed the initiation of force. The witness, being quoted all over these forums as proof of Martin's "thug" nature, saw Martin on top at one point, and punching, and then the next time he saw the two of them, Martin was dead. It is interesting how Martin being on top signals that he's a monstrous, malicious thug... but Zimmerman having shot him does not signify the same. It appears to be a product of the order of the two images.

Prior to that, would it change your mind if Zimmerman were grabbing Martin's hoodie? Would it change your mind if Martin, reacting to the witness' own advice to "Stop" because he was "calling the cops," caused Martin to stop punching, at which point Zimmerman shot him? Or perhaps it's as people say, and Martin viciously attacked someone who had been following him. Maybe Zimmerman made a comment Martin didn't like. Maybe Martin is an evil, drug-crazed maniac as Zimmerman suspected. Who knows?

But the bottom line here is that the cops really didn't know, either, and decided Zimmerman's story was 100% accurate and true, which is why he was not arrested.

This does go to the grand jury on April 10th. Zimmerman just gets to be out of jail in the meantime.

 

[Liberty74]

That does not fit the narrative. Ignore this eye-witness!

It is very possible that A LOT of people (Black Panthers, Obama, Farrakhan, Mr. Harlem himself) will have egg on their face.

But unfortunately, the media will not confess their BS propaganda. Kinda like that left wing stalker who shot at the congresswomen in AZ, yet they blamed Palin and every member of the Tea Party. The left wing corporate media have a template to fulfill even it's a bold face lie.

I guess there is no video uh?

 

[TruthisTreason]

Well I gotta tell you if you where following me around well I walked around a neighborhood I might attack you to. Being hunted will trigger a flight or fight response. The big question is how zimmerman got out of the vechical to be attacked in the first place. The whole thing stinks of a couple people who "thought" they where defending themselves because of the actions of an idiot.

Also, he was told by 9-1-1 operator NOT to follow. Zimmerman was dreaming of being a cop (or something), sadly he didn't have the training to back it up.

 

[azxd]

Reports of the 911 call by Zimmerman.
He called in a "suspicious person" (questionable in itself)
He was in his vehicle and was told NOT TO FOLLOW.
He was following (was on the phone, and reported being followed)

Zimmerman got out of the vehicle and confronted him (also heard on phone).
If the Cop wannabe had stayed in his own vehicle (and minded his own business) there would have been NO incident

So says you, so it must be true LOL

 

[AFPVet]

If this is true, it changes the ballgame a bit. Zimmerman should not have followed the kid since the dispatcher told him not to; however, if the kid jumped him and inflicted bodily harm, he had the right to use force.

There is one thing that people who carry need to know. There is ALWAYS a firearm present at a situation where you are. What this means, is like a cop, you have to protect yourself from the subject and from the possibility that someone can incapacitate you long enough to grab your weapon.... This also means that you have to avoid fights at ALL COSTS! Stay away from bars and places where you might be involved in a physical altercation as well. If you are going to carry a weapon, you must act with great restraint!

 

[AuH20]

So says you, so it must be true LOL

Agreed. We don't have enough details being a third party. Zimmerman could be a monster or his actions could be validated, albeit his use of excessive force is certainly in question.

 

[azxd]

Because the guy is a biased cop hater who always sides against the law.

And which law would that be? Zimmerman or whatever wasn't a cop. One man is dead and the only one with a weapon has walked free.

Methinks azxd is a cop....

Who brought LEO's into the discussion ... A cop is always wrong, ex-con, that's who, and sorry coastie, but you're far from correct in your assessment.

 

[Elfshadow]

You're assuming that Zimmerman, who was following Martin around in his vehicle for long enough that Martin noted it during a phonecall and said his reaction was going to be to "walk faster," got out of his car and politely asked a question. That all remains to be determined, since despite the title of this thread NO ONE SAW WHAT HAPPENED AT THAT POINT. No one witnessed the initiation of force. The witness, being quoted all over these forums as proof of Martin's "thug" nature, saw Martin on top at one point, and punching, and then the next time he saw the two of them, Martin was dead. It is interesting how Martin being on top signals that he's a monstrous, malicious thug... but Zimmerman having shot him does not signify the same. It appears to be a product of the order of the two images.

Prior to that, would it change your mind if Zimmerman were grabbing Martin's hoodie? Would it change your mind if Martin, reacting to the witness' own advice to "Stop" because he was "calling the cops," caused Martin to stop punching, at which point Zimmerman shot him? Or perhaps it's as people say, and Martin viciously attacked someone who had been following him. Maybe Zimmerman made a comment Martin didn't like. Maybe Martin is an evil, drug-crazed maniac as Zimmerman suspected. Who knows?

But the bottom line here is that the cops really didn't know, either, and decided Zimmerman's story was 100% accurate and true, which is why he was not arrested.

This does go to the grand jury on April 10th. Zimmerman just gets to be out of jail in the meantime.

Hey Mel, have you actually looked at our "stand your ground bill"? When I actually read it just seems full of holes that will allow stuff like this. I love the idea that you should be able to defend yourself but it really seems to me that this law needs to be rewritten.

 

[azxd]

So am I. That still doesn't mean other people can kill me.

Glad to here some honesty, but that has little to do with the comment about someone killing another being equated to wanting to be a cop, does it ?

 

[azxd]

There's a difference between what's illegal and what's threatening.

If you think someone's about to attack you, yes, in your head part of you is thinking about the legal ramifications and your options.

But if your instinct is saying "I'm about to be attacked and running away isn't feasible," sometimes attacking first is a reasonable action even though it might not be legal. The determination of whether the other person really is about to attack you is a judgement call the potential victim is in a unique position to make.

If someone follows you into a dark alley, you may not have legal ground to pre-emptively attack but some might say you'd be foolish to wait until your likely assailant pulls out a weapon to start reacting.

In your minds eye, imagine the Travyon-Zimmerman encounter. Zimmerman is following Travyon, and then gets out of his car. Now we don't know exactly what that looked like, what the expression on Zimmerman's face was, the speed with which he was walking, etc. But maybe he had a clear look of menace on his face, maybe the nonverbal communication was obvious enough to Travyon that he knew he was about to get into a physical encounter. Maybe he saw Zimmerman had a gun and (logically) concluded he had better of odds of running up and trying to pin Zimmerman down rather than running away and getting shot in the back.

I'm not saying the law should necessarily cater to these kinds of scenarios because obviously it's dangerous to give people legal cover for pre-emptively attacking others, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be understanding of the fact that there ARE scenarios where attacking first is still self-defense even if the law can't label it self-defense.

So, if the scenario played out as I described above, and Travyon was not killed, he would have to stand trial for physical assault. And in that trial, he'd have to try to make the case that his action was a reasonable self-defense response to the situation and hope the jury/judge are sympathetic.

The pre-emptive excuse is not an excuse unless you also think we should bomb Iran ... Just sayin !!

 

[azxd]

Xing.ding. or an informant

I'll be both, if it makes you nervous LOL

 

[AuH20]

So apparently Zimmerman was a measly 5-9" and out of shape. Martin was a spry 6-3" teenager and this may correlate to the witness' testimony that Martin had situated himself on top of Zimmerman.

 

[azxd]

What does that have to do with anything though? Following someone on a public street is not a crime. Nor is getting out of the car to ask them a question. Since Zimmerman was not doing anything unlawful, he has a right under Florida law to defend himself against attack. Period. We are not analyzing whether Martin should be charged with assault and battery or not. The only questions is whether Zimmerman committed a crime in killing Martin, and thus far, there is simply no evidence to suggest this was a criminal shooting.

FYI,
This response is far to logical for the cop haters on this forum.