Why US support for Israel has collapsed dramatically in years post 9/11?

[ns_661]

What a pretty day it is today. Yes Comrad, it is a pretty day today.

 

[Optatron]

Many of the Israelis are sociopathic. Maybe it is genetic. I don't think it is curable. What can we do with a nation of sociopaths? If you let them live they will kill. Yet to kill them all is horrific. You couldn't kill them anyway. They have great influence in the USA government and army.

why is it horrific to kill those who kill?

 

[sratiug]

Israel stealing land? Last I checked the land was stolen from them...

Last I checked USS liberty was spying on Israel intercepting radio traffic and giving corrdinances of troop movements to the Arabs during the 6 day war. Do you know anything about that?

Israel and well as America have enetered into a politically correct posture regarding the incident.

It is easy for Americans to assume that Israel intentionally fired on Liberty, but how hard is it to assume America was actually spying on Israel to help its oil rich arab allies such as Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and several other Arab states?

If we are to denounce Israels claim it was an accident how can we be so sure as to not denounce America's role using the spy ship to spy on Israel? If it played a role in spying on Israel in a war where several other countries where spying on it, then...

Think about it, America at war with its enemies and one of its socalled allies is spying on them and giving the locations of troop movements to the enemy, would you not send jets to tear into that ship?

Seeing the American government about to target its own people, has me thinking twice about assuming it would not do the same with its allies.

There was a reason the investigation into the matter was swept under the rug...

This is not the first time our government has put our soldiers in harms way.

Your rebuttal makes my case very well. Israel is not to be trusted, they are not our allies. Your defending them murdering our sailors is disgusting.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Many of the Israelis are sociopathic. Maybe it is genetic.

Jewish genetics = evil.

I don't think it is curable.

No cure for Jewish genetics

What can we do with a nation of sociopaths? If you let them live they will kill. Yet to kill them all is horrific.

Hmmmm what a dilemma... what should we do with them? Let's open it up to the board....Adolph what do you think?

why is it horrific to kill those who kill?

Gotta love this forum

 

[iddo]

This discussion is getting a bit bizzare, I'm not sure I understand the meaning of some of the posts, and whether they are serious of cynical. If some clown wanted to do a guilt-by-association attack on Ron Paul he could use the wacko posts in this thread.

 

[Mini-Me]

Many of the Israelis are sociopathic. Maybe it is genetic. I don't think it is curable. What can we do with a nation of sociopaths? If you let them live they will kill. Yet to kill them all is horrific. You couldn't kill them anyway. They have great influence in the USA government and army.

You'd have to post some serious research indicating this, Mr.12PostsWhoIsSuspiciouslyInsinuatingThatTheJewishRaceMightBeGeneticallyEvil. As far as I know, there's very little research that would indicate a significantly higher or lower sociopathy prevalence in any particular "race" of people. Now, if we're comparing people across occupations, that's a different story, and government officials and politicians are right at the top.

Unfortunately, when people are exposed to sociopathic behavior and it's all around them, they begin to accept it into their definition of "normal," and otherwise mentally healthy people end up adopting sociopathic traits. The more brutal a government, the more people are conditioned to accept higher levels of brutality. It's not the Israeli people's fault any more than the American people's fault...that's not to say we're completely blameless for allowing and accepting what goes on, but the ultimate blame lies with the actual sociopaths in power.

 

[buffalokid777]

So do all libertarians hate Israel, or just the overwelming majority in this forum?

No libertarians don't hate Israel,

They just hate getting robbed by the federal government so our tax dollars can be given to Israel through foreign aid.

Want a better image of Israel in America?

Stop taking money through foreign aid from American taxpayers via Politicians that AIPAC has coerced by buying off said politicians.

If you want to use your money for your Gaza incursion so be it.

If you want to use our hard earned money stolen by the federal government and given to you, then no way.

We have our own debts here, and we don't like being robbed for your benefit.

 

[wer]

According to Amnesty International the Israelis bombed school children with white phosphorus bombs made in and given to them by the US. That is why I hate them and fear my own government. All I want is peace but they have declared war on my values.

 

[iddo]

Israel also used American cluster bombs in Lebanon:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/world/middleeast/25cluster.html?_r=1

 

[Liberty Star]

Israel also used American cluster bombs in Lebanon:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/25/world/middleeast/25cluster.html?_r=1

Allowing such violence against civilians may have led to downfall of GOP, election of Obama and disgarced exit for Bush/Cheney.

 

[Fozz]

According to Amnesty International the Israelis bombed school children with white phosphorus bombs made in and given to them by the US. That is why I hate them and fear my own government. All I want is peace but they have declared war on my values.

This confirms why I hate the Israeli regime, with their supremacist doctrine of the "promised land" being used to justify killing people and taking their land away. Every libertarian worth his or her salt would strongly oppose the theft and destruction of other people's property. They are building a wall in the West Bank to grab land from the Arabs, and then they wonder why Palestinian children are being taught to kill Jews (which too, is despicable).

 

[buffalokid777]

This confirms why I hate the Israeli regime, with their supremacist doctrine of the "promised land" being used to justify killing people and taking their land away. Every libertarian worth his or her salt would strongly oppose the theft and destruction of other people's property. They are building a wall in the West Bank to grab land from the Arabs, and then they wonder why Palestinian children are being taught to kill Jews (which too, is despicable).

You really need to differentiate between Jews and Zionists.

God's people, do not need a defense.

Zionists 50/50 at best since many of them pretend to be God's people when they ARE NOT.

 

[revolutionisnow]

You really need to differentiate between Jews and Zionists.

God's people, do not need a defense.

Zionists 50/50 at best since many of them pretend to be God's people when they ARE NOT.

God's people? This supremacist nonsense is a big part of the problem. You or I have just as much a chance of being one of the 12 Tribes of Israel talked about in the OT as any of the people calling themselves Jews do. Judahites are not the same as Jews. To be a Judahite your father had to be Judahite. Jews don't even track their heritage through the father, they track it through the Mother. Jews are the most mixed race out of everyone yet they claim they are the only pure tribe after thousands of years?

But all of this is rather irrelevant, as nobody should be able to get away with writing a book saying how they are God's chosen people, and then just use that as an excuse to do whatever they like.

I guess we could write a book claiming Libertarians are God's chosen people and in it describe all sorts of resort areas as our rightful homeland.

 

[Fozz]

You really need to differentiate between Jews and Zionists.

God's people, do not need a defense.

Zionists 50/50 at best since many of them pretend to be God's people when they ARE NOT.

I never said anything about Jews in general, I am simply commenting on the Israeli government.

 

[acptulsa]

But all of this is rather irrelevant, as nobody should be able to get away with writing a book saying how they are God's chosen people, and then just use that as an excuse to do whatever they like.

I guess we could write a book claiming Libertarians are God's chosen people and in it describe all sorts of resort areas as our rightful homeland.

You know, there just has to be a way in here to convince fundamentalist Christians to stop blindly supporting these jackasses. Hell, blindly supporting the Israeli government is directly akin to blindly supporting the Pharisees--something that is clearly WJWND (what Jesus would not do). So, how do we convince these characters (preferably without treating the Scriptures quite so lightly ) that God doesn't need their help--or my money--in bringing prophesy to pass?

 

[rpfan2008]

The subjective answer to the OP would be very long...in short they were overconfident.

 

[BlackTerrel]

But all of this is rather irrelevant, as nobody should be able to get away with writing a book saying how they are God's chosen people, and then just use that as an excuse to do whatever they like.

I guess we could write a book claiming Libertarians are God's chosen people and in it describe all sorts of resort areas as our rightful homeland.

You hate the Old Testament but love Mein Kempf. Good times

 

[Flash]

revolutionisnow is 100% right. Even if it is true Ashkenazis have blood from the Middle Eastern region, it's a slim chance that they are actual descendents of the 12 Israelite tribes. And if they are still a 'pure' race-- then howcome all Ashkenazi Jews are identical to your average European-American? Are you telling me the Israelites, living in the Middle East 5,000 years ago, had features like blond hair & blue eyes?
But I don't worry about Israel too much-- it'll be mostly Palestinian by 2020. If the Jewish Zionist radicals don't want to deal with Palestinians peacefully, then they will reap as they sow.


And using the Old Testament to base a nation off of is retarded. All it is is a collection of ancient Middle Eastern myths including the plight of the Israelites. And I believe according to the OT the Israelites were permanently exiled from Israel.

 

[rpfan2008]

^ Look at the number of diggs this story got.

http://digg.com/world_news/The_Lost_Medieval_Jewish_Capital_City_of_Khazars

and the article is missing.

But u can google -- Lost City Khazaria archeologist and find tonnes of news

like this one
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-by-Stalin-is-rediscovered.html?mobile=basic

 

[revolutionisnow]

You know, there just has to be a way in here to convince fundamentalist Christians to stop blindly supporting these jackasses. Hell, blindly supporting the Israeli government is directly akin to blindly supporting the Pharisees--something that is clearly WJWND (what Jesus would not do). So, how do we convince these characters (preferably without treating the Scriptures quite so lightly ) that God doesn't need their help--or my money--in bringing prophesy to pass?

They've been sold a line of bull from people like John Hagee and via the Scofield Bible. And their Rapture ready crowd is very scary. I've heard people like him are funded via book scams. Supposedly what happens is Zionists donate by buying up huge amounts of their books and then they just use them as firewood. As far as solving the problem maybe we should find some material to put on dvd and send to ministers and hand out to church goers.

YouTube - John Hagee denies Jesus as Messiah!

YouTube - Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour