We need to GET BEHIND TREVOR & NOVEMBER 30th - RudysReadingList.com

[gworrel]

I will say one other thing...these big Money Bombs are getting more money out of me than the campaign would normally get!!! Its exciting, it makes you want to give more, and if it has that affect on me then it probably has the same affect on others. No rah rah just donate more talk will get people to donate more then they are willing, but being a part of a November 5th like event will. It is also drawing alot of new first time donators.

Your statement above is EXACTLY why we should have a November 30 money bomb. It is like you are saying "it works too well, please don't have another one." Waiting 6 weeks after November 5th for the next one was a serious mistake. Money bombs are a fantastic fund raising tool. We should use them.

I cannot understand why people would say the campaign should not need the money now. The real question is CAN they use the money to increase the likelihood of getting Ron Paul the nomination? If the answer is yes then we should use every tool at our disposal to help make that happen. November 30 is over 3 weeks after the 5th. Is is more than two weeks away from the 16th. It is the perfect time to have another money bomb.

As you stated above, it brings out a lot of first time donors. Why let those first time donors wait until December 16th when we can get most of them to donate on both days?

New donors on November 30th mean more repeat donors for December 16th which will also bring additional new donors.

Few predicted November 5th would do as well as it did. We can do well on both November 30 and December 16th. You just have to believe and make it happen.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't agree. If you overuse something, it becomes like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. People lose interest.

 

[LibertyEagle]

GUYS WE HAVE NO MARGIN FOR ERROR. STAY FOCUSED ON DEC 16TH.
I looked over the message from our fund raising director that started all the trouble, one line jumped out at me...

" If you wait a month from now to donate, your money will only be spent after Iowa caucus-goers and New Hampshire primary voters have made up their minds"

I have spent twenty years in marketing and PR, a lot of it here in Hollywood, and I can tell you that if we derail the greatest single event in political fundraising history based on that "belief" of his this will go down as the turning point for this campaign. He has absolutely no base in fact to suppose that many people will have their minds "made up" two to three weeks out. Total BS and Fantasy Island stuff. Look at History if you need to..Clinton, Kerry, Carter, Reagan. Comments like that show me how straight laced and conventional this guy is. I have HUNDREDS of people working for me in 26 countries, far more than the RP campaign, if one of my guys EVER sent out a message like that to my MARKETING people ( in this case that would be all of us..) he would be terminated. Instantly. By me. In a rage. Justifiable.
Those of you who think it's OK to raise 4m on two days just don't get how the media work. They wont' cover it. They just won't, already been done, they have that t shirt. Fundraisers should stay OUT of PR and Marketing. I do not believe for a single moment that Ron Paul knew that email was going out and my advice to everyone is to stay focused on the tea-party event.
If we raise 10m on that day it will be a shot heard around the world.
If we want to get RP into the White House it's time to take FULL, END2END responsibility to get this done and a big part of that is to recognize when execs are competent and not competent.

+1

 

[Mark37snj]

Your statement above is EXACTLY why we should have a November 30 money bomb. It is like you are saying "it works too well, please don't have another one." Waiting 6 weeks after November 5th for the next one was a serious mistake. Money bombs are a fantastic fund raising tool. We should use them.

I cannot understand why people would say the campaign should not need the money now. The real question is CAN they use the money to increase the likelihood of getting Ron Paul the nomination? If the answer is yes then we should use every tool at our disposal to help make that happen. November 30 is over 3 weeks after the 5th. Is is more than two weeks away from the 16th. It is the perfect time to have another money bomb.

As you stated above, it brings out a lot of first time donors. Why let those first time donors wait until December 16th when we can get most of them to donate on both days?

New donors on November 30th mean more repeat donors for December 16th which will also bring additional new donors.

Few predicted November 5th would do as well as it did. We can do well on both November 30 and December 16th. You just have to believe and make it happen.

Thats alot of wishful thinking and magic wand waving there. You took a piece of my post that you wanted to use but disregarded the rest. Of course they can use the money now but ALL the pros and cons of a second money bomb only 2 weeks away from the 16th is unwise. There is such a thing as overkill and undermining. Again you have to take EVERYTHING into consideration. What will be the effect of a Spectacular 10 million money bomb be compared to one that just beat the last one? Medai attention, Ron Paul interviews, YouTubes, etc. If you want to raise money fine, just don't try to emulate December 16th, no website, no subscribers, no YouTubes, etc. Grassroot money bomb, fine, but again the free media attention of a HUGE December 16th is worth 10 times more than what November 30th will bring. And I ask this question of all the people who will donate on the 30th, are you going to be donating less on the December 16th? Any money donated on the 30th can be added to that donated on the 16th, so any money donated on the 30th is TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE 16th.

 

[constituent]

we need to quit watering down the money bomb... for real folks, i know you all want your name read on CNN or whatever, but you're christmas gift, broken the first morning from overuse.

just donate your fuggin money. hang on to your hundred bucks for the sixteenth and give them five or ten now, tomorrow, whenever you can...

but seriously folks, this is clearly a symptom of the sorta "top-down" mental framework that so many feel most comfortable functioning w/in.

doesn't work, i'll letcha know.

Are many of you folks into art or music? In the art and music communities you always have these johnny come latelies looking for the next act to just pour over. It makes them feel like they belong. They latch on to this one artist or one band for a few months, start acting exclusive, and take something that was good (or at least had something to it) and they run it into the ground over promoting it (really, promoting themselves).

This sort of thing is what is hapenning to Trevor Lyman and I get the feeling that he's probably getting about sick of it. I remember when sword of shanara was allowed to just hang out and post w/ us... now i don't think the poor guy can get online w/out people slamming him w/ requests for their cause (just buy a god damn html book already).

Everyone, if you can't not (intentional double negative) come on here and start flapping off you jaws (fingers), telling people when to do what and when they should not, just piss-off.

But seriously, some of you seem bound and determined to turn this wild beast into a one trick pony, cut it out!

 

[bolidew]

We should ONLY GET BEHIND Ron Paul.

Donate NOW if you can!

 

[gworrel]

Thats alot of wishful thinking and magic wand waving there. You took a piece of my post that you wanted to use but disregarded the rest. Of course they can use the money now but ALL the pros and cons of a second money bomb only 2 weeks away from the 16th is unwise. There is such a thing as overkill and undermining. Again you have to take EVERYTHING into consideration. What will be the effect of a Spectacular 10 million money bomb be compared to one that just beat the last one? Medai attention, Ron Paul interviews, YouTubes, etc. If you want to raise money fine, just don't try to emulate December 16th, no website, no subscribers, no YouTubes, etc. Grassroot money bomb, fine, but again the free media attention of a HUGE December 16th is worth 10 times more than what November 30th will bring. And I ask this question of all the people who will donate on the 30th, are you going to be donating less on the December 16th? Any money donated on the 30th can be added to that donated on the 16th, so any money donated on the 30th is TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE 16th.

I took a piece of your post and disregarded the rest because the rest of your post disregarded the piece that I used. You made the argument better than I have heard it before about why we should have more money bombs.

Taking EVERYTHING into consideration is why we need to raise significant money before the 16th.

I don't believe that having a 10 million dollar day on the 16th will have all the effects people are saying it will. Sure it will be reported, but it will be "Well they did it again. Those Paultards sure know how to raise money. However, the polls tell us that they just don't know how to get voters."

A huge money bomb will get lots of news like the last one did and get us lots of name recognition among news junkies. Joe Typical will still not know who Ron Paul is because he is paying scant attention to the news.

Radio and TV advertising is critical to getting Ron Paul's message out there to those who are not paying attention. Ron Paul's real message, not the message as the news media distorts it. The campaign recognizes this and tells us they need money sooner than December 16th in order to run enough advertising in the early primary states to achieve maximum results.

If you are willing to bet that the campaign strategists don't know what they are talking about, that they are lying to us, that they are incompetent, and that you know better how to get Ron Paul nominated then keep your focus on December 16th.

If you think they might know something you don't then why not help make November 30th a success? Why not make that the spectacular day? When we do that then it will be time to make December 16th another spectacular day.

The stated goal on December 16th was to get people to donate $100. Why is donating $100 on November 30th and then another $100 on December 16th taking money away from anything? Based on my rarely used private school math skills, it adds up to a significant gain for the campaign and makes it that much more likely that we win in the early primaries.

Doing well in the early primaries trumps all money bombs by an order of magnitude. The money bombs are a tool, not the end goal.

 

[yoshimaroka]

It comes down to this:

December 16th money bomb only = 2-3 days of national media coverage.

November 30th money bomb = millions more to buy ads that will replayed a lot in the most important states for a couple of weeks.


Which is more important?

The official campaign made a major mistake about not communicating this when we were planning for December 16th, because now we're arguing instead of concentrating on November 30th.

 

[maxmerkel]

stop watering down the boston tea party !!!

 

[Mark37snj]

I took a piece of your post and disregarded the rest because the rest of your post disregarded the piece that I used. You made the argument better than I have heard it before about why we should have more money bombs.

Taking EVERYTHING into consideration is why we need to raise significant money before the 16th.

I don't believe that having a 10 million dollar day on the 16th will have all the effects people are saying it will. Sure it will be reported, but it will be "Well they did it again. Those Paultards sure know how to raise money. However, the polls tell us that they just don't know how to get voters."

A huge money bomb will get lots of news like the last one did and get us lots of name recognition among news junkies. Joe Typical will still not know who Ron Paul is because he is paying scant attention to the news.

Radio and TV advertising is critical to getting Ron Paul's message out there to those who are not paying attention. Ron Paul's real message, not the message as the news media distorts it. The campaign recognizes this and tells us they need money sooner than December 16th in order to run enough advertising in the early primary states to achieve maximum results.

If you are willing to bet that the campaign strategists don't know what they are talking about, that they are lying to us, that they are incompetent, and that you know better how to get Ron Paul nominated then keep your focus on December 16th.

If you think they might know something you don't then why not help make November 30th a success? Why not make that the spectacular day? When we do that then it will be time to make December 16th another spectacular day.

The stated goal on December 16th was to get people to donate $100. Why is donating $100 on November 30th and then another $100 on December 16th taking money away from anything? Based on my rarely used private school math skills, it adds up to a significant gain for the campaign and makes it that much more likely that we win in the early primaries.

Doing well in the early primaries trumps all money bombs by an order of magnitude. The money bombs are a tool, not the end goal.

So you think the campaign advisors are all wise. Last time I checked they had nothing to do with November 5th. So if they are all wise and did not need our advice or help and they know everything and are always right and we know nothing and are always wrong then why didn't they organize the 5th or the 16th? The campaign is NOT all wise! Im not saying their incompetent, contrary, I think they are very competent, but if they missed organizing a November 5th and December 16th, then how can you say you KNOW they are right about everything? But the point is not whether the campaign could use more money sooner, the point IS "will November 30th undermine December 16th?". IT WILL, PERIOD!!!

You said "Why is donating $100 on November 30th and then another $100 on December 16th taking money away from anything? " Well if your dead set on only donating 100 dollars on the 16th then there will be no effect by donating on the 30th. Myself and alot of other will be donating more than $100, as much as we can afford! http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=558204 So donating on the 30th WILL take away from the 16th. It makes sense for YOU to donate on both days because you will be donating $100 on both, and it makes sense for US to only donate on the 16th because we will be donating more, all we can afford. But getting others to donate on the 30th WILL decrease the amount on the 16th no matter how you spin it and any advertisement for the 30th is advertisement that December 16th could be getting. And again, just imagine what The Ron Paul Revolution would look like IF we didn't have November 5th!!!!

And finally... Incredible Spectacular December 16th > Spectacular November 30th & Spectacular December 16th

PS My replies are meant to be respectful, Im not trying to come across rude or disrespectful, we are after all, all Ron Paul Patriots!!!!!!

 

[Bumnah]

stop bickering. if you want to donate just on the 16th, then just donate then. if you can donate on the 30th, then donate then. if you can donate both times great.

who cares, he needs $. give him some now or some later. forget about raising x amount just on 1 day.

 

[yoshimaroka]

But the point is not whether the campaign could use more money sooner, the point IS "will November 30th undermine December 16th?". IT WILL, PERIOD!!!
And finally... Incredible Spectacular December 16th > Spectacular November 30th & Spectacular December 16th[/B]

I would argue that December 16th undermines the need to have a lot of advertisements in the do or die states ASAP, not after they have their primaries.

December 16th money bomb will generate national coverage for 2-3 days: brief mentions on national and local news as we've already seen.
November 30th moneybomb will guarantee blanket advertising in the key states. This will reach all of the important voters

Also note that it was the tv/radio ads that drove up Paul's polling percentage before November 5th came along.


Donate as you wish. I'm just saying it'd be real great if everyone chips in on the 30th AND the 16th. If anything, it should motivate us to recruit more people.

 

[FreedomLover]

He still gets the same amount of money whenever you donate, it's just better to get it to them sooner than later.

 

[Second_Tier_My_Ass]

the main goal right now is to win the primaries. the reason why we have money bombs is to support this goal. whether or not those money bombs are as awesome as we would like is irrelevant.

obviously, the ron paul campaign feels that they will need money sooner than our planned december 16 money bomb, and that they need it in order to win the early primary states. they don't care about what would be the most awesome thing to do, or what would give us the most instant publicity. winning is all that matters. if they say they need more funds for early advertising, i think it would be ridiculous for us to say they're bluffing.

a november 30th money bomb should definitely happen. if it detracts from the december 16 money bomb, who cares? the campaign believes that having a "mediocre" nov. 30 in addition to a "mediocre" dec. 16 will give ron paul a better chance to win than only having one december 16 money bomb, even if that money bomb is the largest in history.

i have a feeling though that even if we have a november 30 money bomb, the one on december 16 will still be astonishing. i don't see how we could possibly deny the campaign of what they claim to need. it's crazy to think that some people might be more fanatical about huge money bombs than they are about ron paul winning. yes, money bombs are exciting. but so in ron paul winning. you decide which is more important.

 

[Mark]

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I think the fact that everyone has risen up and answered the challenge
to donate as you can,

while just putting a few dollars away a week, a couple less drinks,
to save enough for Dec 16th, for The Party of Tea,

is just great!

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What could be more perfect than replenishing the till
as the campaign approved by Ron Paul gets the bill?

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Maybe that's "what more" we can do.


Spend less save more, donate a bit as it comes in the door.

.

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

GUYS WE HAVE NO MARGIN FOR ERROR. STAY FOCUSED ON DEC 16TH.
I looked over the message from our fund raising director that started all the trouble, one line jumped out at me...

" If you wait a month from now to donate, your money will only be spent after Iowa caucus-goers and New Hampshire primary voters have made up their minds"

I have spent twenty years in marketing and PR, a lot of it here in Hollywood, and I can tell you that if we derail the greatest single event in political fundraising history based on that "belief" of his this will go down as the turning point for this campaign. He has absolutely no base in fact to suppose that many people will have their minds "made up" two to three weeks out. Total BS and Fantasy Island stuff. Look at History if you need to..Clinton, Kerry, Carter, Reagan. Comments like that show me how straight laced and conventional this guy is. I have HUNDREDS of people working for me in 26 countries, far more than the RP campaign, if one of my guys EVER sent out a message like that to my MARKETING people ( in this case that would be all of us..) he would be terminated. Instantly. By me. In a rage. Justifiable.
Those of you who think it's OK to raise 4m on two days just don't get how the media work. They wont' cover it. They just won't, already been done, they have that t shirt. Fundraisers should stay OUT of PR and Marketing. I do not believe for a single moment that Ron Paul knew that email was going out and my advice to everyone is to stay focused on the tea-party event.
If we raise 10m on that day it will be a shot heard around the world.
If we want to get RP into the White House it's time to take FULL, END2END responsibility to get this done and a big part of that is to recognize when execs are competent and not competent.
Oh, yeah..and while I'm at it..***K YOU FRANK..

I'm with you.


***K YOU FRANK

 

[Mark37snj]

I would argue that December 16th undermines the need to have a lot of advertisements in the do or die states ASAP, not after they have their primaries.

December 16th money bomb will generate national coverage for 2-3 days: brief mentions on national and local news as we've already seen.
November 30th moneybomb will guarantee blanket advertising in the key states. This will reach all of the important voters

Also note that it was the tv/radio ads that drove up Paul's polling percentage before November 5th came along.


Donate as you wish. I'm just saying it'd be real great if everyone chips in on the 30th AND the 16th. If anything, it should motivate us to recruit more people.

Really, how much are your expecting to raise. There is only 8 days to advertise. They act like if we all agree to have it, it will be another November 5th and cure all our ills and win the election. If we don't "The Sky Is Falling" and we are finished. This election will NOT be determined by what happens on the 30th. And anyone who talks in such absolutes..."Donate on the 30th or the campaign is finshed"... should not be taken seriously.

 

[dircha]

Really, how much are your expecting to raise. There is only 8 days to advertise. They act like if we all agree to have it, it will be another November 5th and cure all our ills and win the election. If we don't "The Sky Is Falling" and we are finished. This election will NOT be determined by what happens on the 30th. And anyone who talks in such absolutes..."Donate on the 30th or the campaign is finshed"... should not be taken seriously.

Well, I see that there are already 500+ people signed up for it in just a short time.

And the email announcing it already went out to the 15,000+ people on the old November 5th mailing list. So the word is already out to more people than any conversation on this forum will reach.

I think it may give us at the very least another nice boost to compliment the boost we received with the latest email from the official campaign.

 

[born2drv]

It comes down to this:

December 16th money bomb only = 2-3 days of national media coverage.

November 30th money bomb = millions more to buy ads that will replayed a lot in the most important states for a couple of weeks.


Which is more important?

Nov30th will generate 400k max, not millions, your arguement is thus flawed. Nov 11th was a flop as well. If people don't believe it's going to be huge, they won't donate, period. I believe in Dec 16th will bring in $10M+, not Nov 30th, and I'm sure 99% agree with me.

Look there's nothing wrong with donating earlier. Donate whenever you want. But don't coordinate anything other than a big money bomb or distract people from the big day which is planned on Dec 16th.

 

[Mark37snj]

Well, I see that there are already 500+ people signed up for it in just a short time.

And the email announcing it already went out to the 15,000+ people on the old November 5th mailing list. So the word is already out to more people than any conversation on this forum will reach.

I think it may give us at the very least another nice boost to compliment the boost we received with the latest email from the official campaign.

I hope you guys realize you are scaring the HELL out of the rest of us. I hope, no, PRAY this does not backfire.