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[deedles]

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[Wayne Hammond]

Hmmm ... in some ways I find this entire discussion bizarre.

Ha, you must be new here... there are far more bizarre discussions around here if you only take the time to look!

And I really don't think the idea of another money bomb on the 30th takes away anything from the December 16th thing. If he continues to gain support, then any donations "lost" for the 16th by people who donated earlier will be made up by newcomers. And that HAS TO HAPPEN. And I think it will happen.

- Chip

Well said. Agree 100%

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[Shaun]

Dec 16th is the date that can make history. Nothing else matters. The WORLDWIDE media attention will be worth 8-10% for RP in NH in the last two weeks of December. Think about what happened after the 5th Nov...
The "campaign" has it wrong on this one.
We'll stay focused on the 16th and donate thousands in place of hundreds.
The "Rudys reading site" is a poor image to the world, this is a rushed and not fully thought through concept. That's clear at first glance. Please do NOT promote that link or that date to the media. That will hurt us as it will confuse the opinion leaders who are waiting to launch RP as a hero or forget him.
If we raise 10m on Dec 16th there is a good chance our man can go to the nomination. There will be 5,000 stories on Google if he does this and that's right..ON A SINGLE DAY is VITAL. This is a soundbite world and we have to play that game. He needs to raise the 10m in ONE event on ONE day and not over two events.
All of this said, this will self select out; Another 500k may be raised on Nov 30th but their is so much focus and energy + awareness of Dec 16th that I think Trevor is correct, it really can't be stopped at this point.
All I want to do is say...*U** YOU FRANK..on Dec 17th

 

[Corydoras]

This is like the Russian bishops who sat in solemn conclave in Moscow in 1917 arguing over whether the Virgin Mary had blue eyes or brown eyes... arguing right up until the revolutionary forces overran them and killed them.

Like these discussions over whether to donate now or later are going to sway anybody's mind anyway already.

 

[Wayne Hammond]

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[Wayne Hammond]

This is like the Russian bishops who sat in solemn conclave in Moscow in 1917 arguing over whether the Virgin Mary had blue eyes or brown eyes... arguing right up until the revolutionary forces overran them and killed them..

Just so you know, she had brown eyes.

Glad we got that straight. Now, on with the R[EVOL]UTION.

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[DRV45N05]

Alright, guys:

Promote this on your Meetup groups and whereever else you can!

Here's to November 30 AND December 16!

 

[francisco]

A PROPOSAL FOR AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF PLEDGING $100 ON NOVEMBER 30

Instead of pledges to donate $100 on Nov.30th, How about getting pledges to donate $10 each and every day until Nov. 30 and / or Dec. 16th; or $10 each day until $100 has been contributed? (Separate checkoffs or radio buttons could be provided)?

This proposal has several virtues:

1) Keeps people involved and interested each day. Every day they will be watching the number of donations rise.

2) Builds interest factor, seeing the number of individual donations climb day by day

3) Establishes a new metric for a record (number of individual donations in a day) for media attention. As we reach record number of individual donations, the stage is set for media attention each day for yet another new record! The gift that keeps on giving!

4) Generates same amount of money by target end date for early pledgers, but campaign gets access to funds quicker.

5) As enthusiasm builds, pledgers will have reinforcement to increase their donation level or extend daily donations past the original target date they selected.

6) Allows separate focused attention on Nov.30 and Dec.16 as the consumate days for each contributor to make maximum feasible donation to achieve total funds raised records.

7) Allows media attention by the Nov.28 debates. Record numbers of donors correlate with high level of participation by Ron Paul supporters in video question submissions.

8) Avoids repeating the original problem: people hoarding dollars until the designated moneybomb day, starving campaign of reliable continuity of funds

The official campaign could facilitate the goal by providing at the donation site an option to authorize peridic contributions by credit card. This makes the actual donation automatic and easy for the contributor. Other campaigns have done this (albeit typically for monthly not daily contributions).

A promotional tagline like "STAND UP AND BE COUNTED" would, I think, key in well with this concept.

 

[Original_Intent]

Way to go Trevor, that's making lemons out of lemonade. I still think 5 million on the 30th and 5 million on the 16th is gonna be decent media on the 30th and not juch on the 16th, when we need it more.

Now if it is 3 million on the 30th and we still hit 10 million on the 16th (due to all the new subscribers like we are hoping happens) then Iwill gladly eat crow. I really admire Trevor for going in a positive direction with this and I hope it works out like we all hope it does, but if we get an impressive $ 6 million on the 16th instead of the mindblowing and media shattering 10 million on the 16th - I will stand by that this was the biggest snafu of the campaign to date.

 

[NinjaPirate]

We're crunched for time on this, aren't we?? We only have a week to promote this. I won't be able to donate $100 on the 30th, but I support the idea. How can we rally that many people on such short notice?

 

[Shaun]

GUYS WE HAVE NO MARGIN FOR ERROR. STAY FOCUSED ON DEC 16TH.
I looked over the message from our fund raising director that started all the trouble, one line jumped out at me...

" If you wait a month from now to donate, your money will only be spent after Iowa caucus-goers and New Hampshire primary voters have made up their minds"

I have spent twenty years in marketing and PR, a lot of it here in Hollywood, and I can tell you that if we derail the greatest single event in political fundraising history based on that "belief" of his this will go down as the turning point for this campaign. He has absolutely no base in fact to suppose that many people will have their minds "made up" two to three weeks out. Total BS and Fantasy Island stuff. Look at History if you need to..Clinton, Kerry, Carter, Reagan. Comments like that show me how straight laced and conventional this guy is. I have HUNDREDS of people working for me in 26 countries, far more than the RP campaign, if one of my guys EVER sent out a message like that to my MARKETING people ( in this case that would be all of us..) he would be terminated. Instantly. By me. In a rage. Justifiable.
Those of you who think it's OK to raise 4m on two days just don't get how the media work. They wont' cover it. They just won't, already been done, they have that t shirt. Fundraisers should stay OUT of PR and Marketing. I do not believe for a single moment that Ron Paul knew that email was going out and my advice to everyone is to stay focused on the tea-party event.
If we raise 10m on that day it will be a shot heard around the world.
If we want to get RP into the White House it's time to take FULL, END2END responsibility to get this done and a big part of that is to recognize when execs are competent and not competent.
Oh, yeah..and while I'm at it..***K YOU FRANK..

 

[Mark]

Well that's a good idea.

Don't get stuck in a rut. Donate a buck, but not in one chunk.

Just a little save, for the hump, on Tea Party Day, for a bump.

 

[RonPaulGetsIt]

GUYS WE HAVE NO MARGIN FOR ERROR. STAY FOCUSED ON DEC 16TH.
I looked over the message from our fund raising director that started all the trouble, one line jumped out at me...

" If you wait a month from now to donate, your money will only be spent after Iowa caucus-goers and New Hampshire primary voters have made up their minds"

I have spent twenty years in marketing and PR, a lot of it here in Hollywood, and I can tell you that if we derail the greatest single event in political fundraising history based on that "belief" of his this will go down as the turning point for this campaign. He has absolutely no base in fact to suppose that many people will have their minds "made up" two to three weeks out. Total BS and Fantasy Island stuff. Look at History if you need to..Clinton, Kerry, Carter, Reagan. Comments like that show me how straight laced and conventional this guy is. I have HUNDREDS of people working for me in 26 countries, far more than the RP campaign, if one of my guys EVER sent out a message like that to my MARKETING people ( in this case that would be all of us..) he would be terminated. Instantly. By me. In a rage. Justifiable.
Those of you who think it's OK to raise 4m on two days just don't get how the media work. They wont' cover it. They just won't, already been done, they have that t shirt. Fundraisers should stay OUT of PR and Marketing. I do not believe for a single moment that Ron Paul knew that email was going out and my advice to everyone is to stay focused on the tea-party event.
If we raise 10m on that day it will be a shot heard around the world.
If we want to get RP into the White House it's time to take FULL, END2END responsibility to get this done and a big part of that is to recognize when execs are competent and not competent.
Oh, yeah..and while I'm at it..***K YOU FRANK..

why do you keep posting the same thing over and over - enough already - i personaly think donate early and we get more advertising and the teaparty becomes even bigger - 18000 donors is nothing - just donate all you can now and the campaign will advertise and we will get that up to 100,000

 

[Benaiah]

See, this is the problem with centralizing the money bomb. In other words, instead of having multiple websites for the 16th, we chose just Teparty07.com. What that did was made "Trevor" the leader, so now his opinion is more important than everyone else's.

I'm only donating on the 16th. You guys are flakey.

 

[robert4rp08]

Donating to the campaign is NOT about making the news (we did that already anyway); it's about helping the campaign get the good doctor's message out. If they say that they need money NOW then I believe them.

I will still donate on the 16th. It just won't be as much. THEY NEED MONEY NOW!

 

[kmforpaul]

Everyone...
It all boils down to this:

Priority #1: Teaparty 07 15th/16th

Priority #2: Nov. 30


First off, we cannot ditch the Teaparty. Too many people are already planning on it; the wheels have been set in motion. Second, the campaign needs the money now. If they could wait for the Teaparty then they would have not sent the e-mail. It's their way of saying: HEY WE NEED A MONEYBOMB SOON!

We should respect, and therefore support, Trevor's solution on the 30th.

Moreover, let's all try to remember why these money bombs work so well. It gives us priceless media coverage. Remember the 5th? For about a week all the MSM's were taking a second glance at Ron Paul's campaign. More importantly, these money bombs get people off the fence and DONATE. The 5th accounts for a third of all donations this quarter. But, people will not donate in small moneybombs. It is self-replicating cycle. One person sees the movement of millions of dollars towards Dr. Paul and they want to be apart of it. Another person sees that donation and etc.

In conclusion, maybe Trevor can make this 30th thing work. I think a million dollars (because of the short notice) would be a tremendous success for everyone. The campaign would appreciate it. It will give them elbow-room to work with until the Teaparty.

 

[KewlRonduderules]

See, this is the problem with centralizing the money bomb. In other words, instead of having multiple websites for the 16th, we chose just Teparty07.com. What that did was made "Trevor" the leader, so now his opinion is more important than everyone else's.

I'm only donating on the 16th. You guys are flakey.

The media knows his name and he has all the contacts there.

Trevor has done an excellent job seeking others feedback.

He did a poll in case you did not know- others agreed to another moneybomb and the majority chose November 30th.

That is why he did it.

 

[Skeeterbug73]

See, this is the problem with centralizing the money bomb. In other words, instead of having multiple websites for the 16th, we chose just Teparty07.com. What that did was made "Trevor" the leader, so now his opinion is more important than everyone else's.

I'm only donating on the 16th. You guys are flakey.

I agree. I'm out of here until the 16th. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[vertesc]

I'm in - pledged already. We can't have too many "money bomb" events. The media only pays attention when we make big coin. I think a big donation day on Nov 30th could work for us

- it's three weeks after Nov 5th. Money has recharged since then.
- it's a payday for anyone on a biweekly or monthly pay schedule.

By the same rationale, Dec 16th:

- is two weeks after Nov 30th. People on hourly paychecks have some recharge time.
- is immediately after a payday for anyone on a biweekly pay schedule.

I think we can make a good 2 or 3 million on the 30th, without detracting from the Dec 16th massive bomb. Besides, if the media has to report RP making the one-day fundraising record, then three weeks later that he made his "over ambitious" 12 million goal, then two weeks later that he broke the ALL TIME fundraising record... Ron would be the "big money" candidate for Q4!

 

[Mark37snj]

Dec 16th is the date that can make history. Nothing else matters. The WORLDWIDE media attention will be worth 8-10% for RP in NH in the last two weeks of December. Think about what happened after the 5th Nov...
The "campaign" has it wrong on this one.
We'll stay focused on the 16th and donate thousands in place of hundreds.
The "Rudys reading site" is a poor image to the world, this is a rushed and not fully thought through concept. That's clear at first glance. Please do NOT promote that link or that date to the media. That will hurt us as it will confuse the opinion leaders who are waiting to launch RP as a hero or forget him.
If we raise 10m on Dec 16th there is a good chance our man can go to the nomination. There will be 5,000 stories on Google if he does this and that's right..ON A SINGLE DAY is VITAL. This is a soundbite world and we have to play that game. He needs to raise the 10m in ONE event on ONE day and not over two events.
All of this said, this will self select out; Another 500k may be raised on Nov 30th but their is so much focus and energy + awareness of Dec 16th that I think Trevor is correct, it really can't be stopped at this point.
All I want to do is say...*U** YOU FRANK..on Dec 17th

I Second this and I will not promote November 30th in my Meetup group. December 16th has the youtube videos, it has the theme, it has Ron Paul mentioning it on TV, it has the website, it has the subscribers, it has the momentum! It has everything, why would you want to mess with that? A small money bomb like the Beat Huckabee Day was great, grassroots, but this has a website and is taking subscriptions just like the 16th. That makes it a bad idea.

I will say one other thing...these big Money Bombs are getting more money out of me than the campaign would normally get!!! Its exciting, it makes you want to give more, and if it has that affect on me then it probably has the same affect on others. No rah rah just donate more talk will get people to donate more then they are willing, but being a part of a November 5th like event will. It is also drawing alot of new first time donators. December 16th is their "Welcome Aboard, this is what it feels like to be a Ron Paul supporter", they will see what their particitation did on the news and they will love that feeling. November 30th will not significantly enhance Ron Puals funds, but it may significantly undermine it. What would have been the effect on November 5th if we had a Holloween bomb? On total raised, lack of press, lack of good video clips, youtube clips, lack of Ron Paul interviews? Think of everything we gained due to the 5th, everything we gained, not just the money. Please don't mess with December 16th.