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[mtmedlin]

I Second this and I will not promote November 30th in my Meetup group. December 16th has the youtube videos, it has the theme, it has Ron Paul mentioning it on TV, it has the website, it has the subscribers, it has the momentum! It has everything, why would you want to mess with that? A small money bomb like the Beat Huckabee Day was great, grassroots, but this has a website and is taking subscriptions just like the 16th. That makes it a bad idea.

I will say one other thing...these big Money Bombs are getting more money out of me than the campaign would normally get!!! Its exciting, it makes you want to give more, and if it has that affect on me then it probably has the same affect on others. No rah rah just donate more talk will get people to donate more then they are willing, but being a part of a November 5th like event will. It is also drawing alot of new first time donators. December 16th is their "Welcome Aboard, this is what it feels like to be a Ron Paul supporter", they will see what their particitation did on the news and they will love that feeling. November 30th will not significantly enhance Ron Puals funds, but it may significantly undermine it. What would have been the effect on November 5th if we had a Holloween bomb? On total raised, lack of press, lack of good video clips, youtube clips, lack of Ron Paul interviews? Think of everything we gained due to the 5th, everything we gained, not just the money. Please don't mess with December 16th.

I couldnt agree more with all of us that are protesting but I can also tell you that they wont change their mind. They charterd a course and very much like our current leadership in the White House, their decision is now unquestionable. Dont wast time trying to change their mind. Just save all your money for the 16th and hope that they havent screwed up the single largest media event of this campaign.

to Shaun,
I understand what your saying and I wish they would listen. I really wish that some people would take a cue from those of us with experience in things like this.

Oh well, heres hoping for the best.

 

[rrroae]

Nov 5 gave RP credibility. The larger Dec 16, the more relevant he becomes with the MSM. It's estimated RP recieved millions of dollars in free advertising from Nov 5. Now that we have their attention, we raise at least $7 million on Dec 16, we'll again get millions more in free advertising with the media.

The media loves an underdog and they can smell a big story brewing. Give them that story on Dec 16.

 

[constituent]

1) They charterd a course and very much like our current leadership in the White House, their decision is now unquestionable...

2) Just save all your money for the 16th and hope that they havent screwed up the single largest media event of this campaign.

...

3) Oh well, heres hoping for the best.

1) go figure
2) (again).
3) cheers!

 

[Cyclone]

I couldnt agree more with all of us that are protesting but I can also tell you that they wont change their mind. They charterd a course and very much like our current leadership in the White House, their decision is now unquestionable. Dont wast time trying to change their mind. Just save all your money for the 16th and hope that they havent screwed up the single largest media event of this campaign.

to Shaun,
I understand what your saying and I wish they would listen. I really wish that some people would take a cue from those of us with experience in things like this.

Oh well, heres hoping for the best.

Hear hear!

 

[Adamsa]

The thing about the 16th is the media attention it'll get. Whats the point in attempting to make money bombs before it happens?

 

[yoshimaroka]

How many times…

A big december 16th money bomb means free advertising for 2-3 day; brief mentions in national and local news. But by that time it'll be too late to buy advertisements for the do or die states before the primaries.

Money on the 30th = a lot of money for tv/radio ads in the do or die states(New Hampshire, Iowa, SC…). This means 2 weeks of blanket advertising for the people whose votes count the most. Winning a primary will bring in waaaaay more free advertising and boost donations way more than a Tea Party money bomb will.

Ron Paul's polling percentage went up before November 5th because of the TV/Radio ads.

 

[Original_Intent]

How many times....

Money before November 30th will BUY advertising.

Money on December 16th (if it is big enough) will convince people to listen to that advertising)

They could give Ron Paul a special "Texas Congressman/gynecologist" discount of 50% off advertising and it would make little or no difference if people perceive that he has no chance.

December 16th is the opportunity to change that perception.

I can't break it down for you any more than that.

 

[yoshimaroka]

Nov30th will generate 400k max, not millions, your arguement is thus flawed. Nov 11th was a flop as well. If people don't believe it's going to be huge, they won't donate, period. I believe in Dec 16th will bring in $10M+, not Nov 30th, and I'm sure 99% agree with me.

Look there's nothing wrong with donating earlier. Donate whenever you want. But don't coordinate anything other than a big money bomb or distract people from the big day which is planned on Dec 16th.

November 11th was only 6 days after The Greatest Day. People already donated.

Unlike the current leadership in the White House, there's a change in strategy and the more people who follow, the better off we'll be.
The official campaign did make a major mistake by not communicating this to us while the Tea Party was being planned…

We need as much money for advertising as possible. It's constant repetition that makes people change their minds. A major money bomb will have 2-3 days of brief mentions in the media all over the place, which is great, but we needs tons of ads to run in the key states before the primaries.

Basically, they are changing their strategy. At first their goal was just to raise the 12 mil and figure out what to do as they go along. But now they know we will reach the goal and they have a better understanding of our power and capabilities. So instead of waiting for another headlining money bomb, they want us to donate now. If you can afford to donate sooner rather than later, this makes a whole hell of a lot more sense. Otherwise it will go to waste because the early primaries are SO important.

 

[yoshimaroka]

How many times....

Money before November 30th will BUY advertising.

Money on December 16th (if it is big enough) will convince people to listen to that advertising)

They could give Ron Paul a special "Texas Congressman/gynecologist" discount of 50% off advertising and it would make little or no difference if people perceive that he has no chance.

December 16th is the opportunity to change that perception.

I can't break it down for you any more than that.

So doing both is the best choice.
Raise a million on the 30th, raise millions on the 16th.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Doesn't matter now to the urgency, since the primaries are moved to January, give the most on the 16th to make the greatest media impact.

....copy,paste,linked to teaparty07.com

 

[jonathanwebb]

Basically, they are changing their strategy. At first their goal was just to raise the 12 mil and figure out what to do as they go along. But now they know we will reach the goal and they have a better understanding of our power and capabilities. So instead of waiting for another headlining money bomb, they want us to donate now. If you can afford to donate sooner rather than later, this makes a whole hell of a lot more sense. Otherwise it will go to waste because the early primaries are SO important.

This makes total sense to me. It's logical, prudent and very reasonable. We need not argue back and forth on this, what we need is to do as much as we can, when we can. If you want to donate Nov 30th, great. If you want to wait until Dec. 16, great. If you want to do both dates, super.

I do see the great value in getting more funds now to expand the original vision of the official campaign. I think before, they were thinking, "we'll be in good shape if we win in the top 3 in New Hampshire". Now, they are probably thinking, "hey, it looks like we may be able to WIN in New Hampshire!" Then they adjusted their requests for money accordingly.

If we do indeed win the NH primary, that will be at least equal to (if not greater than) the TeaParty goal of $10 million.

I think we need to do BOTH, and I think this grassroots effort is capable of doing both, don't you all think so?

 

[hddn-agnda]

he needs us to pledge that we will give $100 on Nov 30th (in addition to giving $100 or more on Dec. 16th).

I hope nobody missed the part about donating IN ADDITION to the 16th, this isn't mean to take away like all the naysayers will contend.

 

[hddn-agnda]

How many times....

Money before November 30th will BUY advertising.

Money on December 16th (if it is big enough) will convince people to listen to that advertising)

They could give Ron Paul a special "Texas Congressman/gynecologist" discount of 50% off advertising and it would make little or no difference if people perceive that he has no chance.

December 16th is the opportunity to change that perception.

I can't break it down for you any more than that.

If raising 4.3 Million in a day didn't buy enough credibility, nothing will. You have to go out, shake hands, knock on doors, get promises of support, and physically drive to peoples houses and give them a ride to the polls, holding their hands, if need be. I find it stupid and pointless to think that because you have ONE WINNING IDEA, that you somehow hold a monopoly of the... grass roots?

Doesn't that mean a lot of individuals doing what they can as individuals, though numerous efforts, individually?

The campaign is sending out fundraising emails... but they don't stop there, do they? "Well, we might not make as much money at our Fundraising dinners if we send out emails, so we're going to stop sending out emails"

You would rightly attack them for that strategy--but you ignore it when it's your own ignorance. Sad.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Some of you seem to get the point, the rest miss it. Kind of a forest for the trees thing.

A few ads will not make that much difference. Those of you pushing to spread this huge donation over two days are making a terrible mistake. The Boston Tea Party is a wonderful theme and yes, every dollar donated on the 30th takes away from the 16th. Instead of one wonderful, wonderous day that will bring in tens of millions of dollars of advertising (that is all the news is these days anyway) you want to water it down so you can have one million to spend on some ads.

That is not the way the public learns. After Nov.5th for the first time ever Ron Paul became somewhat electable. Only slightly, but he did become electable. Ads for an unelectable guy are useless. If we do not make a huge splash on the 16th, then we don't have a candidate to advertise about.

You are missing a huge part of strategy of business planning. You cannot do the same thing over and over and expect any press. It gets old. So either you get some press for a man who is unelectable and put out some ads for an unelectable candidate, or you get the most press ever for a man who becomes instantly electable and any following ads get paid attention to instead of ignored.

You cannot plan an event like this - haphazard and all over the place and trying to do a thousand things at once - either you focus on one thing and do it well, or try to do several things at once poorly.

 

[jonathanwebb]

For those who missed his post, I think Trevor's advice here is rock solid:

"I would like to add one additional thought for us to consider. There are well over 100 million adults in this country who have not yet donated to Dr. Paul. Many of us feel donating on one day will detract from the other. I argue that rather than thinking about cutting up the pie in smaller pieces, we should simply make the pie bigger. The “limited wealth” mindset may seem more rooted in reality, but it is actually untrue and defeatist in nature. If we want to have abundance we must envision it, believe in it, and take action to achieve it. The truth is the money is there and we need only convince more people to support Dr. Paul to be victorious. Please think about it, and thank you for all of your efforts. "

 

[McDermit]

I posted this in one of the other threads, but might as well post here too...


Bydlak was anti-moneybomb from the start of the Nov 5th campaign. Although, while the V and Guy Fawkes references were through the roof, I wasn't fond of the idea either. I only began promoting the date once the V references were removed. Bydlak, however, NEVER liked the concentrated donation day idea. No huge surprise that he's trying to sabotage the 16th.

2007, October 23 - 12:33 — Randolph Carter Re: Irritating Things V

http://www.thisnovember5th.com

I was kind of horrified when I read the "Bear" and "snore" thing, I thought they had gone a step further and turned it into a somnambulent gay porn site or something.

Further Edit: I spoke to Jon Bydlak, the fundraising chair who I'm friends with (we have secret official-grassroots pow-wows) and he's livid with the whole thing. The campaign wants money sooner rather than later, and when people hoard for a specific date it hurts overall fundraising, mainly because it kills momentum.

Really now? So Bydlak thinks we would have brought in that 4.3 mil and then some had Nov 5th never happened? Interesting.

 

[hddn-agnda]

You are missing a huge part of strategy of business planning. You cannot do the same thing over and over and expect any press. It gets old. So either you get some press for a man who is unelectable and put out some ads for an unelectable candidate, or you get the most press ever for a man who becomes instantly electable and any following ads get paid attention to instead of ignored.

You cannot plan an event like this - haphazard and all over the place and trying to do a thousand things at once - either you focus on one thing and do it well, or try to do several things at once poorly.

You are looking like the grass roots as ONE ENTITY. That's where you're the one missing the point. Each of us must do what we can as individuals. November 30th will doubtless bring in a few people who are new donors, who can be hit up for more money. If it doesn't, it will bring money regardless.

November 11th didn't take a single penny from November 5th. In fact, the 11th meant that we broke another million in the week FOLLOWING the largest Money Raising day in History. Have some perspective. Or at least have the decency to post this in another thread, so that any GOOD IDEAS that may come along can quickly be swept off the first page...after all, we wouldn't want anyone doing what the campaign says

 

[Eleanor]

Makes terrific sense to me.

PS. Starting the donating process NOW sounds good. It is 12:55 PM Eastern and we have less than $12k in donations for the day. We raised $240k in 10 hours on Tuesday when trying to beat Huckster's fundraiser. Can this total for today be improved?

 

[skinzterpswizfan]

If we do indeed win the NH primary, that will be at least equal to (if not greater than) the TeaParty goal of $10 million.

Winning the New Hampshire primary is infinitely more important than raising ten million dollars in one day. Winning a key primary guarantees legitimacy, raising money just shows there are enthusiastic supporters.

 

[Original_Intent]

Hmm interesting that Bydlack was against money bombs from the get-go. I didn't know that.

Also interesting that he is holding secret "campaign/grassroots pow-wows" that definitely sounds like an FEC no-no, haven't they seen the scandal coverage about Clinton calling and coordinating with a fundraiser in Hollywood?

The more I learn, the more I think Bydlack is an insecure kid who is trying to build his resume for bigger and better things down the road, and it must be frustrating him no end that the media and Congressman Paul continue to rightly credit the grassroots with the campaign's biggest fundraising successes.

Kudos to him for the end of Q3 fundraising drive, though. That was truly motivating and in some ways planted the seeds for November 5th.