We need to GET BEHIND TREVOR & NOVEMBER 30th - RudysReadingList.com

Yep damage has been done.

People have unsubscribed from TeaParty07 because the received unsolicited emails which the site itself told them they would not receive.

We have spent a couple of days trying to convince maybe a half dozen relatively new posters to calm down and stay the course, but they know better.

Best at this point to quit responding to them, evaluate any new ideas they come up with (even a broken clock is right twice a day) and shoot down the many ideas they intend to spam the boards with until the 16th (if they are bad ones).
 
I submit, for your consideration... the following post, by the person whom we all called a genius for helping us raise over $4 million in one day. I think we owe him the courtesy of reading his post here, and supporting this effort:



Please go to www.RudysReadingList.com and pledge your support for this fundraising day on November 30th, then come back here and let us know you pledged.

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Can we have two money bombs that both make a massive amount of money that are separated by two paycheck periods, or do they actually destroy each other to a high degree?

It seems to me the whole point of choosing Dec 16th in the first place is that we needed many paychecks to build up for a record-smashing event, and sooner money-bombs may kill the build-up of money. Maybe people who want to donate now can help most by donating immediately and not participating in the Nov 30th money bomb.
 
You know I am one to join the bandwagon when an idea is proposed. Although Trevor did ask us which day we would have liked to have a moneybomb, perhaps he should have polled the entire community if we did indeed want another moneybomb.

As for me, it did not matter as long as Dr. Paul gets the funds he needs to ensure his victory. I thought it was a good idea. But given the amount of division this has created, I have to say the naysayers do have a point. I learned something from this as well. You want to do something new- talk to the grassroots first.

Regardless, we are with a new situation. Either way both events are out there in public. So either choose a date to donate or choose both dates or if you wanna really be a scrooge, don't donate at all.

Peace.:cool:
 
A $10 million Dec 16th does far more to win New Hampshire than a consistent $150K per day or a misbegotten mini-bomblet/grenade on the 30th.

I'm sure they'd prefer to have a continuous stream rather than megabucks at once. It's cash flow.

It's like getting paid every 2 wks vs. having to stretch your remaining existing funds to last the next 3 wks. In this scenario, the expenses you have to defer includes some bills that you MUST pay NOW to avoid collection. If you don't pay them it will come back to bite you, even though you expect to get a HUGE payday in 3 wks with several months' back pay and can pay them then.

Quoting Trevor (I believe it is), the pie will expand if we win NH. If we don't, everyone's efforts over the last MONTHS in later states will go down the drain.

All the sign waves of local meetup groups in nearby cities (I'm in Florida) will be useless if RP doesn't win NH. And with Mitt's media juggernaut of $85,000 a day, $600,000 a week airwave saturation of Iowa, NH, SC and Florida, we as a group are having a problem with when to donate to meet that juggernaut???

Per FEC records, Mitt spent $52 million in the 3rd quarter, Rudy spent $30 million. I'm sure some of that was for paid staffers who are doing the work that volunteers are doing for Ron Paul, but I'm sure neither campaign has that many staff.
 
Actually, if we play this right, and stick with both Nov 30 & Dec 16, we can get three headlines out of this:

1. "Ron Paul campaign exceeds quarterly funding goal one month early"... and

2. "Ron Paul wins New Hampshire primary"... and

3. "Ron Paul campaign makes history, raising $10 mil in one day".

Dec 16 day would and should remain the day that makes history.

You make good points, 'Ron Paul reaches quarter end goal a month ahead' headline can be made without compromising Dec 16 day event. There is lot of enthusiasm out there for Ron Paul, I do not think it would dilute the big bang on Dec 16. In couple of weeks since Nov 5, couple of millions have gone Ron Paul's way, Nov 30th Rudy reading list event would converge some of the money going in current period to one day and add some extra boost. I think it's worth the very small trade off considering time window factor.
 
I'm sure they'd prefer to have a continuous stream rather than megabucks at once. It's cash flow.

It's like getting paid every 2 wks vs. having to stretch your remaining existing funds to last the next 3 wks. In this scenario, the expenses you have to defer includes some bills that you MUST pay NOW to avoid collection. If you don't pay them it will come back to bite you, even though you expect to get a HUGE payday in 3 wks with several months' back pay and can pay them then.

Quoting Trevor (I believe it is), the pie will expand if we win NH. If we don't, everyone's efforts over the last MONTHS in later states will go down the drain.

All the sign waves of local meetup groups in nearby cities (I'm in Florida) will be useless if RP doesn't win NH. And with Mitt's media juggernaut of $85,000 a day, $600,000 a week airwave saturation of Iowa, NH, SC and Florida, we as a group are having a problem with when to donate to meet that juggernaut???

Per FEC records, Mitt spent $52 million in the 3rd quarter, Rudy spent $30 million. I'm sure some of that was for paid staffers who are doing the work that volunteers are doing for Ron Paul, but I'm sure neither campaign has that many staff.

Eleanor I would agree with you 110% if we were only talking about money now or money later. Of course money now is better.

What you and others are refusing to address is the money value of media coverage if the bomb does well and the likelihood that all this "steady stream" and "November 30" talk is detrimental to that effort.

I have heard from within the campaign and also the grassroots that November 5th probably generated in the neighborhood of $20 million dollars in media coverage. It resulted in Ron Paul getting some SERIOUS exposure by being invited for a large segment on Face the Nation.

Your steady stream argument holds up great for a housewife who is trying to work a budget, but there are a lot of other factors at work here, factors that some here are ignoring or dismissing out of hand. Most of these people are also fairly new here, take that for whatever you will.
 
I thought it was a good idea. But given the amount of division this has created, I have to say the naysayers do have a point.

I understand your points, but I think some of the naysayers who keep posting against the Nov 30th event have one or more of the following traits:

1) they like to argue, and are more interesting in arguing than they are going out and doing something positive for the campaign.

2) they have rather large egos that will not allow them to drop it (they must "save face" at all costs),

3) they see themselves as "forum big-shots" because they have "challenged" Trevor,

and [this is the worst one:]

4) their posts almost have a "listen, I'm warning you!" type tone to them - giving the impression that they would rather see the whole campaign go down in flames, creating a failure in the early primaries, just so they can say "I told you so, it's because of RudysReadingList.com".


I think we need to just support both bombs with our money, (or ignore the 30th if you so choose), but whatever we do, we should not fight people who are trying to raise money for Ron Paul on any day of the year.

That's just my opinion.
 
both sides stop chastising people for being new, we want people to feel welcome to boards, cause you don't want to scare people away from the cause, though this thread has become a lot more civil since earlier today.

Though it was interesting when somone pointed out in another thread RP polls to 6% jumped almost immediately after the NH ads which didn't show up until the 5th cause of the the couple of days between polling and results. Yet everyone gives all the credit to the 5th. The 5th media coverage faded away pretty kick in all reality, they were done covering it after a few days.

Still good PR for name recognition, but ads emphasize the issues which gets votes.

THis is my last post in this thread, don't bother responding to this, cause i'm not gonna respond, if you want discuss it, PM me
 
I understand your points, but I think some of the naysayers who keep posting against the Nov 30th event have one or more of the following traits:

1) they like to argue, and are more interesting in arguing than they are going out and doing something positive for the campaign.

2) they have rather large egos that will not allow them to drop it (they must "save face" at all costs),

3) they see themselves as "forum big-shots" because they have "challenged" Trevor,

and [this is the worst one:]

4) their posts almost have a "listen, I'm warning you!" type tone to them - giving the impression that they would rather see the whole campaign go down in flames, creating a failure in the early primaries, just so they can say "I told you so, it's because of RudysReadingList.com".


I think we need to just support both bombs with our money, (or ignore the 30th if you so choose), but whatever we do, we should not fight people who are trying to raise money for Ron Paul on any day of the year.

That's just my opinion.

I agree with you. Too many people have been beating a dead horse. It is what it is. Unfortunately, I would not be surprised if half these new people were moles. Interesting the USAtoday ad came out on Wednesday. I wonder if the new sign ups got to work just to do that- disrupt the grassroots online.

It is clear the most senior members who disagree they say their piece and move on.

This is how it should be. You don't want to have long standing conflict. And this is what they are trying to do so we become discouraged. Don't let them do that.

Another motive is possibly to discourage new persons from joining the grassroots effort. They see this what is going on and they will think twice about joining. This cannot happen.
 
The campaign has made it clear that they can't wait until December 16th to perform in Iowa and New Hampshire (January 3 and 8.)

Yes. But, what we do not know is whether they need additional money to do that.

What we were sent by Bydlak says that they are spending money faster than they are taking it in. He mentions spending more money in October, than they raised in October. What he did not mention is the fact that we started off October with 5.3 million dollars in the bank! Nor, did he say anything about the 6 million dollars raised in November thus far. What we don't know, is if that 11 million dollars total will carry them through until the 12/16th Tea Party. We could have found out. IF instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to the email, the very same person who seemed to believe it was within his purvue to cannibalize the Tea Party signup list to launch a fundraiser of his own designing, would have used his name recognition to get an answer from someone higher up in the campaign. But NO. We had to just jump off the bridge without looking.

As a result, we are spending faster than the rate at which we are raising money. In October alone, we raised $2.8 million, but our campaign spent over $3.1 million.

It is clear that as the person responsible for campaign fundraising, Bydlak would prefer to have the money streaming in all along the way, than to wait until 12/16. I think we can all understand that. I am quite sure it is nerve-racking for him, considering the job he has in the campaign.

HOWEVER, it is a big mistake to assume that a wand can be waved and the same amount of money that might have been raised on the 16th can somehow be brought in earlier and just "smoothed" over earlier dates. Why is that? There has been a huge amount of promotion of this event by thousands of people and not just to the Ron Paul faithful. No, Americans are slowly waking up. They are getting sick and tired of what is going on in our country. We have the man; we have the message and we DID have the day for Americans to finally stand up and say NO MORE! For this to work, this event had to build up to a crescendo. The fire had to be stoked. People were planning to send out requests to their subscribers and on and on. Wait. Did someone here think that all the money that was raised on 11/5 came from only US? Think again. Remember Adam Curry's promotion? Remember the man with the precious metal newsletter that sent out the request to all his subscribers?

Nor should one be so presumptuous to assume that you can just divide up what we might have gotten on the 16th, between 11/30 and 12/16. To believe that is to be completely clueless about marketing strategy, or any kind of strategy for that matter. Think back to why we all used to think that 12/16 would blow out all the expectations. Try to remember. We never thought it was going to come from just us. We also expected it to come from a lot of others, who may not even be supporters of Ron Paul yet. If the steam is let out of this event, and much of it already has been at this point, it is likely that the campaign will not receive these donations from other sources and will conclude with a huge net loss of quarterly contributions. Not to mention the fervor, excitement and huge amount of press that would be associated with such success. How much is that worth?

Something changed on November 5th. Ron Paul went from becoming an also ran to becoming a possibility in Americans' minds. I have seen with my own eyes discussions which used to be centered on him being whacky or fringe, to actually discussing issues. Even people that I see on a regular basis, had a complete turnaround. Now, they think that he actually has a chance. That this can really happen. A huge blowout on 12/16, and I'm not just talking about beating Hillary's record, would open a lot of people's eyes. Don't you know that there are a lot of people like us out there, but they just never believed that someone like Paul stood a chance, so they never engaged, or were planning on throwing their support elsewhere?

That was what we had going. Now that a huge hole has been blown in this effort, I guess we'll see what happens.

We cannot afford to wait for bursts of press activity. What we need is sustained attention in the news. What better way to do this than by continuing to raise money at a rapid pace now? We need to keep our momentum going.
 
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I agree with you. Too many people have been beating a dead horse. It is what it is. Unfortunately, I would not be surprised if half these new people were moles. Interesting the USAtoday ad came out on Wednesday. I wonder if the new sign ups got to work just to do that- disrupt the grassroots online.

It is clear the most senior members who disagree they say their piece and move on.

This is how it should be. You don't want to have long standing conflict. And this is what they are trying to do so we become discouraged. Don't let them do that.

Another motive is possibly to discourage new persons from joining the grassroots effort. They see this what is going on and they will think twice about joining. This cannot happen.

Message received. I find it hard to just "move on" when I keep seeing the same people continue to brings stuff up etc. I realize that you both probably see me as part of the problem (it takes two to tango) but I also say that all that is needed for foolishness to win is for wisdom to say nothing.

I am not saying I am the wise one. I am staying engaged witht hose I disagree with and then the market (which in this case is the forums) can weigh the merits and decide.

I extended the hand of friendship and burying the hatchet. Alex took me up on it and hidden agenda did not respond, has called me a hypocrite, and continues to be, dare I say, gleefully supportive of any idea that appears to be designed to lessen the effectiveness of Dec 16th.

I do have a "healthy" ego, but this is not about saving face. Winning is my only priority and I am more than willing to change my position when it is for the good of the campaign.

I am getting tired of the drama (of which I am a major contributor, sad to admit) and in my previous post to hidden agenda and Alex I completely accepted responsibililty for some of the hostility and conditionally apologized - the condition being that they had good intentions and were not here to deliberately scuttle us.

+1 to LibertyEagle
 
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+1 for libertyeagle.

i made a post mentioning tag alongs in the art and music communities earlier
in the week regarding this matter (it might have been yesterday, i don't remember)...

clearly w/ the unsolicited e-mails and any number of other problems one could
point to, we are seeing the ill effects of precisely that which i pointed out.

get off of it people.

the cult of personality is a cult, and about 80 percent of you seem to have
fallen into it... please, for the good of everyone WAKE UP!!!!!!
 
If a person is choking (as in that commercial on television), it is probably not a good idea to overdiscuss it. Performing the Heimlich maneuver immediately is the better common sense decision. An Action decision.

Consequently, in addition to pledging to the teaparty and I have gone to Ron Paul's site and donated as much as I could this week. They seem to really need the money right now and I am happy to do what I can.

I will also try to fit in the Nov 30 Rudy's Reading List donation day, but cannot decide for a few more days due to my financial situation.

I would like to suggest that any amount today, immediately, would be helpful. And for those who plan to give big later, maybe you give a little less that day and give something today.

The goal is to help the campaign, not to hurt it, and the email I read seemed to be indicating that we could be causing collateral damage. They seem to be concerned about keeping Dr. Paul more consistently in the news and consistently funded. I know everyone here has the best of intentions, so think about it and do what you think best.

Thanks for reading this.
 
Ron Paul's campaign should be working the issue of media coverage. We need to focus on getting people registered to vote, educating people about the issues that face us, educating people on Ron Paul's message of freedom, and getting money by the truckloads as a minimum weekly to ensure the campaign can show non-erratic results and be able to actually plan out a course of action based on money in the bank versus money that may come due to long lags of time from these massive donations. I seem to be quite alone on these issues.

Here I'll spell it all out for all of you.

If you go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_bomb and read the entire history of the money bomb you might begin to grasp what I am about to say.

Between Dan, Elders, Nordstrom, Lyman, Krzyzanowski, Yao, and others whose name I am not familiar (and in that order), and the general online Ron Paul support community, plus the offline community, we have all generated a ton of loot for Ron Paul. Far more than he ever dreamed.

Due to the mixing of Elders and Nordstrom's efforts with Lyman's and the video people, throw in the Ron Paul Graphs, and the common voice of all of us (all of us meaning - this generation, the patriots of liberty, Ron Paul supporters, you) doing our best to spread the word, and we got us a machine!

I read allot about ego. I read allot about who did what, who is better that who, what is important and what is not, y`all need to settle down and remember that the person who posted before you and the person who posts after you are all on your side and are all on the same team.

Now, there is a division at the moment. Lyman is doing his thing and I am proud that he has held his ground. True he shouldn't inflate his ego because that fact that the 5th was a success was not his doing - it was all of your doing. It was the right place at the right time with the right people carrying the flag up the hill.

This division I speak of is simple to describe. Some of us believe that focusing on one or two (maximum) online fund raisers is the best way to go. Your frustration is gumming up the forum.

The fact of the matter is that you can try all you want to try and hold all the donations into one or two fund raisers but it is a bit like holding sand in your hand. The tighter you grip, the more sand falls out. Loosen up.

Elders and I have always supported any and all money raising donation schemes for Ron Paul. If it raised $100.00 to $4,000,000.00 we always advertised it and spread it around in the forums and directly on our website.

Prior to my adventures with the website, I was a general Ron Paul supporter. I went to his donation page and gladly gave up $100.00. I felt good about contributing. A month passed and I began to wonder how many other people out there donated $100.00. Hell I am a damn Sergeant I don't make squat for money I wanted to donate more but diapers are damn expensive. I started thinking about making a website that has the intent of encouraging people to donate more than once and making it feel like the donating party is part of a large movement. (A rEVOLution)

Thats when I happened across Elders Email Opt-In donation idea [email protected] - I thought this was absolutely genius - except for one thing - there is nothing to look at. People might as well go directly to Ron Paul's donation page. Without signing up. I built a website. I asked politely of Elders if it met with his satisfaction. I asked because this was now a group effort and his opinion was important. We began posting the words "Ron Paul Money Bomb" every where. I myself stayed awake 36 hours doing nothing but posting ads, blogs, comments, emails, anything and slapping the term "Money Bomb" onto it. We knew we had a hit! We knew that people would come by the thousands. The ronpaulmoneybomb.com site was ready, a date was set and off we went.

It was strange, we had amassed more than 1000 people very quickly. Crazy quick. But then as quickly as the pledges came they virtually stopped. We pulled in $30,000.00 dollars from Money Bomb 1 (MB1) and I was damn proud. Hell it's more than I make in a year working 60 hour work weeks on F-15s.

Our name-sake "The Money Bomb" was all over the internet at this time. I mean everywhere. But we still thought it strange that we weren't gathering pledges as fast as we should have been. We did some investigating. We found, virtually at every place we had left and ad, comment, or blog, someone else was advertising. We found that someone was advertising a (quote) "November 5th Money Bomb". We looked up the site and sure enough, people were flocking to the November 5th Money Bomb? This wasn't the Money Bomb, we were the Money Bomb. Hey that was our idea! That dude hijacked all or our pledgers!

But not so fast. Lyman did a hell of a job with linking up the V for Vendetta theme. Even the off line community could be seen wearing Fawkes Masks. So there began the life of the term Money Bomb in our common lingo. Although upset at first (because Elders and I were trying to get our idea off the ground) we settled in and figured - eh' as long as it helps Ron Paul - right on.

We did figure we would get some assistance from Lyman after the 5th but so far he seems to not care too much for all the rest of us. I don't mean that in a negative way just an observation. He believes in what he is doing and that is commendable. Do I agree with his methods post November 5th? Hell no.

The sway of 20,000 people and the wake of the $4 Million dollar bonanza has given Lyman a sort of fame. He is using it to the best he knows how. The problem is that he seems to be driven to out perform his previous sucess, hopefully not at the expense of the campaign but absolutely at the expense of those persons such as myself who worked so hard to see the success of the 5th, saw the payout to the campaign, can contribute so much more - however now passed over and stifled by a mans pride - we find ourselves in limbo.

The division I spoke of earlier is the difference between those who want to narrow the funnel to only two sites versus those (the majority) who want free and open donation sites, the more the better, (without being hassled by some moron speaking out against it). I can't count how many times I have now placed a reminder to folks about the Ron Paul Money Bomb site, only to go back and find some ass-hat telling people not to do it but rather to focus only on the Tea Party only.

The grains of sand will slip from a tightened fist. There must be and is a balance. Due to the work we have all done as described from the beginning of this long ass note until now, we have collectively found a new form of campaign donation system. The machine.

The reason we attend the donations website versus going directly to Ron Paul's donation page is simple. We all feel part of a larger team when we get together and help Ron Paul to confuse the powerful in Washington.

There are five prongs to the system we have developed/stumbled upon.

1. Weekly donations are absolutely essential. They are an important introduction into the donation drive world. They ensure that people who would otherwise have only donated once, repeat the process a few more times. Garnering the campaign a few extra bucks. They are important because they help other smaller donation sites out by advertising them. They keep money flowing into the main campaign during the lull times in between the Mass Donation Drives. The weeklies are also (to the weeky's peril) a gateway into the larger Mass Donations.

2. Rogue donators are essential, they are the bulk of the donations between the large Mass Donation Drives and they keep the campaign moving along with cash. The rogues are usually people who don't give a hoot about donation drives or don't have the time for them.

3. The online campaign support community itself. The efforts of thousand of hands and minds advertising for the weekly and the mass donation drives are what brings fresh people into the scene. Without the online support community nothing would happen. The best ideas come from this prong of the system as well. The vast resources of the online community is absolutely amazing.

4. The off line support community is perhaps the biggest boost this donation system has. The shear numbers of people willing to contribute is astonishing. Some folks never set eyes on a website and yet they donated on the 5th of November for example.

5. The Mass Donation Drive. The cocaine of the donation system. Mass Donation Drives greatest flaw is the amount of time required to generate interest and then the damage to the campaign cannot be denied. The longer a Mass Donation Drive takes to gain momentum, the longer the main campaign goes without the bigger funding required to run a campaign. The trade off and the balancing act is to generate enough momentum to generate massive sums of money while not starving the campaign of funds. The Mass Donation Drive does provide some media attention to the candidate however, the Donation Drive itself becomes the news and not the candidate (main stream media), and one person is accredited for the success of the Mass Donation Drive. In reality it required an army of people to make it happen and so to the Main Stream Media begins to shine the light on that one individual. The army, who made the Mass Donation drive is sidelined. However , the overall success of the Mass Donation Drive quickly overcomes any malice and the clock is reset. At this point the people at the Mass Donation are required to hand the baton back to the weekly donation drives. The individuals who had pledged money into the Mass Donation Drive now have an opportunity to continue to feed the campaign needed cash.

With the advent of the Rudysreadinglist one can see that the system broke down at that point.

The Ron Paul Money Bomb and many other faithful donation oriented websites that are backed up by faithful and passionate patriots have now been sidelined and rendered useless by the over-reach of the Mass Donation Drives. Cocaine.

It isn't too late to salvage the system. The mechanisms work. Proof of that is simple. Look at Ron Paul's total donations. The Mass Donation Drive (as of now) is only half the amount pulled in.

The facts are that it doesn't matter if we have 100 donation sites, what matters is the collective effort by the 100. Each dollar is as important as another. Success should not be measured by who made the most or who has the best website. What matters is what the collective places into Ron Paul's campaign. Having two websites ONLY is counter productive.

Rules to follow: Spread the widest net possible. Help each other with each others attempt to raise money for Ron Paul. Do not horde information and do not horde influence. You may not thin it a big deal but congratulate someone for making a buck or two for Ron Paul and help him to make it more successful. Ensure that you keep the love in rEVOLution because your bad attitude and poor manners reflect upon Ron Paul and his bid for the Oval Office. Cooperate, be a friend, help out, don't stifle ideas.

If you do anything other than those rules. Well, you are a counterproductive member of the support group and your tone, words, or additude should be made aware to you, if you continue you should be shown the door.

Now, I have advertised allot this week, I have a few Meet-up groups attending Monday's Money Bomb (unless someone sent them an email and told them to focus on the Tea Party) and so I can use some of the support we had prior to our system being fed cocaine. Furthermore the main campaign needs cash. So, I am hoping that we can all agree that we need to pull it together and support something more than this wacky (2 sites to victory crap). We have a long way to go. December is only the beginning.

I have two young boys - I cannot begin to imagine the quasi-autocratic society they will have to endure if we don't succeed.

We have one opportunity, just ONE CHANCE to see liberty restored. Every negativity you spew, every power grab you attempt, every project you spit on, and every aspect of our online community you disrespect you diminish that ONE CHANCE piece by piece.

It may sound goofy, but ask yourself if the founding fathers would utter some of the crap that we read (that were posted by our fellow Ron Paul supporters). Make a good impression.

Unite - work as one - help for all who need it - this is a fight weather you take it serious or not. I guarantee those who are currently in power are watching this and us very closely. If you don't believe that this is a fight for our general way of life and the preservation of the Constitution - wake up.

I am just one of your fellow patriots and I am damn proud to be a part of this attempt to awaken our sleeping fellow citizens to the possibility of liberty again and always.

If you need anything - I'll be here -> www.ronpaulmoneybomb.com

V/r

Eric Nordstrom
 
Our PROBLEM is that we think that if we donate on the 30th, there will be nothing, or little left for the 16th.

The SOLUTION should be to get more people to support Ron Paul so that there's more people donating. If we can't get more supporters to help donate to cover for both of these days, in my estimation, that's almost a bigger problem than diluting the amount for the 16th by donating on the 30th. Getting more supporters helps both to help get Ron Paul elected and to help bring in extra cash to cover for both money bombs.

So to reiterate, if you're afraid of either money bomb potentially ruining the other, the solution is to GET MORE SUPPORTERS SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE DONATING. We can't just rely on another 36,000 people from the November 5th event trying to donate between the 2 days and expect them both to be successful. That IS unrealistic, but it ceases to be unrealistic if these 36,000 can get even ONE PERSON A PIECE to support and donate to Dr. Paul on either day. We have supporters on myspace, supporters on youtube, facebook, meetup groups, and I'd bet that every city we live in has at least a couple Ron Paul supporters who don't even know that these events are taking place. We have to reach these people and get their funds to combine with ours. The money is important, and so is the support. Why not kill 2 birds with one stone while helping to improve both moneybombs by getting more supporters involved, or getting more supporters PERIOD. We can argue over which is better, or we can use this as an opportunity to drive us to heights yet uncharted. The choice is yours.

I happen to think that success is not an option, but a necessity.
 
So to reiterate, if you're afraid of either money bomb potentially ruining the other, the solution is to GET MORE SUPPORTERS SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE DONATING.
"You've just never heard this kind of "logic" from someone who is actually going to run the country." - Bill Maher

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