Voter Fraud Conspiracies

[morerocklesstalk]

The man who's name you've chosen for your ID does not qualify as even tempered. Do you call forcing your way onto British ships dressed like Indians and dumping tea in a clear act of vandalism qualifies as this "play it safe" attitude that you have? Do you call all of the other acts of vandalism that the Sons of Liberty engaged in even tempered?

We don't need meet-up leaders who are even headed, we need meet-up leaders with balls, and that disqualifies both you and the person you are responding to.

P.S. - We are calling for an investigation to PROVE that fraud took place. We don't have proof positive, but we evidence of an irregularity that DEMANDS further investigation. If someone says that there is a nickel under your shoe and you demand that they prove it before you lift your foot, you have essentially done what you are doing here. You can not prove anything until you investigate. And for the record, I also think you are a troll, for this very reason.

Times have changed. Sorry to let you know that. The next American revolution won't be like those of the past.

Are you happy with 8%?

 

[Sam_Adams]

Washington was not fighting fraud, he was fighting soldiers, the metaphor does not hold up. See the writings of the early radicals like Patrick Henry and your guy Sam Adams for a more accurate comparison.

Yeah, the analogy (not metaphor) does hold.

 

[Sam_Adams]

If you don't challenge a vote that clearly has problems, you are a coward and unworthy of living in a free society. If your vote doesn't count and you do not protest, you have given your approval for your own slave chains. "Give me Liberty or give me death!!" might be a little to risky for you, I'd bet you would have talked Patrick Henry out of writing that because it had too many negative ramifications.

So now only those who espouse your ideology deserve to live in a "free" society.

 

[lucius]

The man who's name you've chosen for your ID does not qualify as even tempered. Do you call forcing your way onto British ships dressed like Indians and dumping tea in a clear act of vandalism qualifies as this "play it safe" attitude that you have? Do you call all of the other acts of vandalism that the Sons of Liberty engaged in even tempered?

We don't need meet-up leaders who are even headed, we need meet-up leaders with balls, and that disqualifies both you and the person you are responding to.

P.S. - We are calling for an investigation to PROVE that fraud took place. We don't have proof positive, but we evidence of an irregularity that DEMANDS further investigation. If someone says that there is a nickel under your shoe and you demand that they prove it before you lift your foot, you have essentially done what you are doing here. You can not prove anything until you investigate. And for the record, I also think you are a troll, for this very reason.

Well put! How many posts have you seen in these catagories today?

1. There was no election fraud. Those who claim it are nutjobs and koolaid drinkers. (shaming).
2. Mainstream media polls are accurate and can be trusted. (please return to the Matrix).
3. This was the fault of campaign HQ, direct hatred toward them (i.e. divide and conquer).

 

[Deborah K]

For those of you claiming voter fraud, seeing images of Satan in the numbers, etc....

Why would you want to go bitter this early in the campaign?
Why give the press more ammunition to beat us over the head with?

A recount MIGHT move us into 4th place, but that's unlikely. So, do you want the media ABSOLUTELY REAMING Ron Paul for demanding a recount when we were tens of THOUSANDS of votes short of first?

Please, move on. Focus on the issues and spreading the word. Right now, all you're doing is making this campaign look like a bunch of bitter loonies are in the crowd.

Please watch these two very quick clips on the subject. I'd like your opinion after you have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JESZiLpBLE&feature=related

If this piques your interest further, you may want to u-tube: Hacking Democracy - a very in depth documentary about the very flawed diebold machines.

In addition you may want to consider the fact that these machines have been de-certified in several states including California and Colorado.

'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes'
~Josef Stalin

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Matrix?

 

[AnalogDan]

I agree that this may not be the exact time to rise up against the initial vote; now is the time to spread the story of Sutton to anyone and everyone. Regardless of whether mass fraud can be proven, there is a VERY significant issue when votes do not get counted. Make no mistake, there is no room for error when tabulating votes, and any repression of which is to be considered fraudulent.

 

[Sam_Adams]

Please watch these two very quick clips on the subject. I'd like your opinion after you have:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JESZiLpBLE&feature=related

If this piques your interest further, you may want to u-tube: Hacking Democracy - a very in depth documentary about the very flawed diebold machines.

In addition you may want to consider the fact that these machines have be de-certified in several states including California and Colorado.

'It's Not the People Who Vote that Count; It's the People Who Count the Votes'
~Josef Stalin

I'm not claiming that voter fraud does not exist. Please do not think that I'm arguing anything other than the current New Hampshire election.

 

[Catatonic]

Even the Founding Fathers had a sense of timing with their attacks against the establishment. Washington retreated MANY times before defeating the British.

How many times did they say 'hey guys, don't revolt so loudly, you're making us look crazy'?

The longer we wait to sort this out the more votes are going to be stolen. If thats cool with you then great, but don't try to convince us not to care.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Times have changed. Sorry to let you know that. The next American revolution won't be like those of the past.

Are you happy with 8%?

25% won the American Revolution while 75% of the nation that thought more like you sat back and simply wished for calmer heads to prevail, before the other 25% ran them out of the country.

P.S. - I'd be happier with 8% of people who actually get off their asses and campaign rather than 100% with people who simply want to roll over and take it up the rear.

Yeah, the analogy (not metaphor) does hold.

Explain how. (troll alarm already going off again)

 

[Balden]

We don't know but those who purport to espouse liberty and the constitution have already judged this woman guilty before anything has been proven.

What do you think a recount would do? VERIFY THE VOTE. But no, people like you are too afraid of the media to challenge a discrepency.

If we cannot be sure our votes are counted, why even continue?

 

[Sandra]

San-Adams is NOT here to have a discussion, he is here to flame the boards. If you find him exasperating and fruitless, just converse with others and leave his posts unanswered.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

How many times did they say 'hey guys, don't revolt so loudly, you're making us look crazy'?

The longer we wait to sort this out the more votes are going to be stolen. If thats cool with you then great, but don't try to convince us not to care.

The more crazy we look, the less votes we are going to get. We were suppossed to have a strong showing in NH. Obviously something is going wrong with our approach.

 

[RPDelegate]

Nope, now is NOT the time. All of you will see this when Ron Paul ignores your requests.

I don't think it should be RP that officially demands the recount. The NH GOP should be concerned with this and their name should be attached to the recount, not one of the candidates.

Hell the NH GOP was already associated with an unfair debate, that they smartly pulled out of. Now here comes another issue within the NH GOP. They had better fix this issue as well.

 

[hells_unicorn]

The more crazy we look, the less votes we are going to get. We were suppossed to have a strong showing in NH. Obviously something is going wrong with our approach.

Yeah, and to find it out we need to investigate the nature of the votes, you just made an excellent case for demanding a full recount with all cameras watching. Definitely a troll, you just made my blocked list bud.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

San-Adams is NOT here to have a discussion, he is here to flame the boards. If you find him exasperating and fruitless, just converse with others and leave his posts unanswered.

Yeah just plug your ears when someone has a different opinion. We are all trying to have civil conversation so we can move this campaign on the right track.

 

[Sam_Adams]

How many times did they say 'hey guys, don't revolt so loudly, you're making us look crazy'?

At least once when Washington retreated to Buck's Country, Pennsylvania. Im sure there were other times as well. Look, if you guys want to continue the Founding Fathers' analogies, you're going to have to do better than this!

The longer we wait to sort this out the more votes are going to be stolen. If thats cool with you then great, but don't try to convince us not to care.

I'm not trying to convince you not to care. I'm trying to convince you of the TIMING of when to fight these things. Fighting them when you're fifth in a race is absolutely going to damage the campaign at this point.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Yeah, and to find it out we need to investigate the nature of the votes, you just made an excellent case for demanding a full recount with all cameras watching. Definitely a troll, you just made my blocked list bud.

Wow. I'll call the mental ward for you.

So much for freedom of opinion.

 

[Sam_Adams]

Yeah, and to find it out we need to investigate the nature of the votes, you just made an excellent case for demanding a full recount with all cameras watching. Definitely a troll, you just made my blocked list bud.

Why not investigate the manner of spending more money on the campaign?

 

[hillertexas]

http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=REPUBLICANS