Voter Fraud Conspiracies

[kellann]

Do any of you really feel that having the Ron Paul campaign demand a recount in NEW HAMPSHIRE will do us more good than harm?

Bash me if you want, you KNOW I'm right. It will harm his campaign more than it would help at the moment.

If this were a race in say, California or Texas, and he had just gotten SECOND by a few thousand votes, fine, a recount might be warranted.

you're not getting the bigger picture.

If they can do it in NH they can do it anywhere! We know about the 31 votes...how many do we NOT know about?

Theyre gonna keep doing it.

 

[Victor]

Do any of you really feel that having the Ron Paul campaign demand a recount in NEW HAMPSHIRE will do us more good than harm?

Bash me if you want, you KNOW I'm right. It will harm his campaign more than it would help at the moment.

If this were a race in say, California or Texas, and he had just gotten SECOND by a few thousand votes, fine, a recount might be warranted.

Elections needs to be fair, it's that simple.

This election was not. It's a matter of right or wrong.

If I was in NH, I would expect to get correct vote results, not some results that has been tampered with.

Bring out the tar and feather I say, this needs to be dealt with asap.

 

[Sam_Adams]

Fraud implies intent. Prove the intent. It was proven that 31 votes were ommitted. Prove it was FRAUD. Nobody has done this yet.

 

[Fyretrohl]

I missed something. Please provide links to the voter fraud. The only thing I have seen is a single precint/city/whatever that failed to report Ron Paul's 31 votes. And, as of yet, I have seen no proof of intent. Where has it been proven there was fraud?

Do we need to watch for errors? Yes, absolutely. The system worked in the case I have seen. So, where is the fraud?

 

[kellann]

It IS a big deal, but it's NOT one I think the campaign should be fighting right now. Every vote should count, but that's not the battle that will get us further support right now.

Umm...how freaking long could it take for RP to make a statement, contact the NH GOP and fight this?

Not very long at all.

People need to stop worrying about how we look and be more concerned with saving this country!

 

[Electric Church]

I missed something. Please provide links to the voter fraud. The only thing I have seen is a single precint/city/whatever that failed to report Ron Paul's 31 votes. And, as of yet, I have seen no proof of intent. Where has it been proven there was fraud?

Do we need to watch for errors? Yes, absolutely. The system worked in the case I have seen. So, where is the fraud?

ignore list

 

[Sam_Adams]

Umm...how freaking long could it take for RP to make a statement, contact the NH GOP and fight this?

Not very long at all.

People need to stop worrying about how we look and be more concerned with saving this country!

And when the headlines tomorrow read "Ron Paul Challenges NH Race" how many more "lunatic" articles are going to pop up?

I completely understand the anger. It makes me angry, too. But now is NOT the time.

 

[Victor]

And when the headlines tomorrow read "Ron Paul Challenges NH Race" how many more "lunatic" articles are going to pop up?

I completely understand the anger. It makes me angry, too. But now is NOT the time.

Yes it is. Elections needs to be held fairly.

No cheating allowed, period.

 

[Sam_Adams]

Nope, now is NOT the time. All of you will see this when Ron Paul ignores your requests.

 

[Thumper]

Do any of you really feel that having the Ron Paul campaign demand a recount in NEW HAMPSHIRE will do us more good than harm?

Bash me if you want, you KNOW I'm right. It will harm his campaign more than it would help at the moment.

If this were a race in say, California or Texas, and he had just gotten SECOND by a few thousand votes, fine, a recount might be warranted.

No, I dont think it will harm the campaign to expose this. It may get us into fourth, it may not. I don't think anyone is going to make the assertion that we were robbed of first place, but we were robbed of votes. Peoples right to be heard by casting their ballot has been trampled on. Can you really let that slide?

The important thing is that we dont let the establishment think that we are going to accept this in the next 48 states. They need to know that we are watching and we are vigilant and when things don't add up we are going to call them on it. Think, man. If they get away with it the will become increasingly more bold until our vote totally disappears.

It's bad enough that we are marginalized in the media. When people show up at the polls and vote, the votes should count. We should not be marginalized by the system in the one place that we have always believed we would be vindicated.

 

[Sam_Adams]

This will only lead to more marginalization of Ron Paul fans as "bitter loonies". If this were Super Tuesday or the General election, I'd be singing a different tune... believe me.

 

[stevedasbach]

I'd like to hear from the people who were canvassing in New Hampshire. Do they claim that we should have won, but the election was stolen from us? Did they find more people supporting Paul than any of the other Republicans?

Were there some screwups like Sutton that initially cost us some votes? Certainly. There are every election for every candidate. There may have even been some screw ups that initially gave us extra votes. The key is how quickly they are caught and corrected by the election officials themselves. For example, the big overvote for Giuliani early in the night was caught and corrected within an hour.

Were some of these intentional? It's certainly possible. For example, some over-zealous Giuliani or Huckabee supporters working precincts might have been afraid we would finish ahead of them and decided to conveniently misrecord some votes. We should expecially be concerned about this anywhere our poll watchers were prevented from observing.

Was there enough of this going on to prevent Paul from beating Giuliani? Unless it was organized statewide, it's doubtful.

If is was an organized effort, organized by who? It seems that it would have had to have been the state Republican party -- which has in the past been helpful and supportive. Was their decision to withdraw as a sponsor of the Fox debate part of the plot?

If it was organized statewide, whom did it benefit? McCain? He's not exactly well-loved by the Republican establishment.

Again, I'd like to hear how the results in various areas matched what our canvassing indicated should occur.

 

[Marc Scott Emery]

We got what the polls said we would in Iowa & NH

We got exactly what the pollsters said we would in both Iowa and NH. Disappointment with the results has to end now. Its not fraud. If anything, Obama was leading Clinton by 10 points in the last poll but lost by 2 points, a 12 point difference. If there is any fraud, it would be there.

In California, Ron Paul is at 5%, we've got to bring that up. The frontrunner McCain is at 18%, with all the others in between. But if Paul can move up 5 - 10 points, that would be a good showing in Cali, in a few areas we could win delegates, since its 3 delegates for each of the 53 districts, and each district won is 3 delegates! This is a close race where paul could be competitive, so let's work on that.

 

[nbhadja]

Everyone report this garbage thread.

 

[sharedvoice]

I think the people are entitled to a fair recount. Obviously there were voting irregularities. I wouldn't put anything past it, considering the circumstances. I smell a troll post.

 

[Victor]

No, I dont think it will harm the campaign to expose this. It may get us into fourth, it may not. I don't think anyone is going to make the assertion that we were robbed of first place, but we were robbed of votes. Peoples right to be heard by casting their ballot has been trampled on. Can you really let that slide?

The important thing is that we dont let the establishment think that we are going to accept this in the next 48 states. They need to know that we are watching and we are vigilant and when things don't add up we are going to call them on it. Think, man. If they get away with it the will become increasingly more bold until our vote totally disappears.

It's bad enough that we are marginalized in the media. When people show up at the polls and vote, the votes should count. We should not be marginalized by the system in the one place that we have always believed we would be vindicated.

Exactly, this is simply not acceptable. It's that simple.

 

[Fyretrohl]

I love how some people are just simple ignoring intelligent arguements, rather than making reasonable counter points.

Take this point...Say the campaign DOES call for a recount and it proves that the count was...Accurate? Then, the media and other campaigns can rail against RP for the needless complaint when there was no real evidence of fraud. Again, if I missed something other than that one county, please show me.

Remember, I am one of those 'average, intelligent' people we need to be reaching out to. I am not blind or I would not be here. But, if even I can not see an issue yet, where does it put us with those who would be fence sitters?

 

[Thumper]

Fraud implies intent. Prove the intent. It was proven that 31 votes were ommitted. Prove it was FRAUD. Nobody has done this yet.

They have to certify the vote totals as being correct before they send them in. They have to count the number of votes the have total against the number of people signing in to vote.

There is no way that those numbers could have matched up but they certified the vote count and sent it in anyway. That constitutes fraud. Regardless of whether it was a mistake or intentional doesn't matter. Once you certify the numbers and send them in saying they are true and correct, and they aren't, that's fraud. It is a misrepresentation or distortion of the truth, regardless of malice or intent.

 

[Fyretrohl]

I think the people are entitled to a fair recount. Obviously there were voting irregularities. I wouldn't put anything past it, considering the circumstances. I smell a troll post.

ABSOLUTELY. The people of NEW HAMPSHIRE have that right and responsibility to push for it. As a citizen of Missouri, seeing no real issues that would suggest any great conspiracy, I say I don't. I do not think it would be beneficial to the campaign without some greater evidence to use.

 

[Delain]

You deserve to be robbed of your freedom

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