[Video] Rand Paul: I agree with Milton Friedman; can't have open borders in welfare state

[Brett85]

I agree with you. If I had my way, I might actually make it easier to legally immigrate, but I would enforce those regulations by securing the border. It doesn't matter how tough you are on paper if you are not willing or able to back it up. Even if we did have an "open border", as far as everyone is able to immigrate legally, we would still need to have a secure border, so that we can ensure criminals, terrorists, spies, etc are regulated, and so that we can actually document who is coming and going.

I wouldn't make it easier for people to come here and become citizens, but I would make it easier for immigrants to come here and work and feed their families. I would just create a guest worker program where people could come here and work right away without having to wait in line to become a citizen. But, I don't think we should make it easier to become a U.S citizen when that will simply allow the Democrats to wipe out the Republican Party across the entire United States.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I respect your opinion and think that people like yourself add a lot to the liberty movement. However, you should realize that there's virtually no chance that we'll ever have an anarcho capitalist as President or as a member of Congress. Rand isn't going to come out in favor of having no government involvement in border security when he's serious about winning the GOP nomination and becoming President.

Of course I know that this property right approach will never meet agreeing minds in that shit stain of a place. I also know that Rand would never come out for such basic Lockean principles, but hey, I support principle. Well...we all ready have open borders between the States, why not between the USA and the rest of the world? I'm fine with never giving these folks voting rights if that is what it will take to have open borders (e.g. property rights).

 

[seyferjm]

Can we at least agree that ending the drug war and welfare state should come before the open borders? Like I said, I agree philosophically with the idea of property rights and open borders- I just cannot see open border being anything but a disaster with our opportunistic government offering so many "free" things to people. Heck, the govt advertises food stamps in Mexico! Combine that with "free" medical care, housing, anchor babies, and everything else, and you would have a bi, big problem on your hands.

 

[seyferjm]

WRT property rights, I do fear that a flood of third-world immigrants (especially those from nations that embrace collectivist ideas and things like liberation theology) would hurt us if they had voting rights. Maybe I'm being a bit collectivist myself, but I think that it's a realistic fear.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

WRT property rights, I do fear that a flood of third-world immigrants (especially those from nations that embrace collectivist ideas and things like liberation theology) would hurt us if they had voting rights. Maybe I'm being a bit collectivist myself, but I think that it's a realistic fear.

Immigration has nothing to do with voting privileges. They're a completely separate issue.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

1) End The Fed
2) Abolish the burdensome regulations
3) End the Drug War
4) End the Welfare/Warfare State

= Prosperity
= Immigration Issue becomes much more irrelevant.

 

[Agorism]

I disagree with Rand Paul's take on this, and I think what he's doing is a form of amnesty.

 

[Brett85]

I disagree with Rand Paul's take on this, and I think what he's doing is a form of amnesty.

What is Rand doing that you disagree with? Did you hear him say that he'll support Rubio's immigration bill? I didn't hear that.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Isn't this basically Ron Paul's position? But when Rand takes the same position he must be an opportunist or he's not for liberties? Did you guys also say this about Ron?

I didn't like his immigration stance in 08, and was pleased to hear him say on the campaign trail this time around that open borders is the goal, and that we should move in that direction. Also, opposing troops and guns on the border was another great moment.

What I didn't like most about this interview was the foreign policy stuff. Rand said the Republican party should change its rhetoric on FP, but not change policy? Uh... yeah, no.

I did like that he pushed back against federalizing marriage, though. Would have preferred he staked out the private marriage stance, but considering the amount of pandering he did in the FP bit, this was a solid answer.

 

[Agorism]

What is Rand doing that you disagree with? Did you hear him say that he'll support Rubio's immigration bill? I didn't hear that.

I don't like that he's interested in starting a path to citizenship. I favor more of a defacto amnesty where we just don't enforce laws so long as people aren't committing crimes etc. I also don't like that's in favor of enforcement measures as some sort of trade. I think the work verification part of it is the worst part of it all.

Having said that that his stance is still better than Rubios.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Let's just say that this past weekend Ron Paul took the stage with a bunch of an-caps.

"Misean" might not want to accept this, but The Mises Institute is almost completely dominated by Rothbardians.

Two of my favorite lines from that Ron speech were the "if government has a monopoly on force, it will be abused" and the line about our national defense, which would be people arming themselves with AK-47s. Not the first time he's implicitly come out against standing armies, but it was probably the most humorous example lol.

 

[Brett85]

I don't remember Rand saying that he supports a worker verification program.

 

[Agorism]

I don't remember Rand saying that he supports a worker verification program.

He's only mildly annoying me on this issue. Rubio and McCain are who really bother me.

All I really care about is that he votes no on every single immigration proposal since every single idea or bill proposed on this that I've ever seen is retarded.

 

[Rudeman]

I didn't like his immigration stance in 08, and was pleased to hear him say on the campaign trail this time around that open borders is the goal, and that we should move in that direction. Also, opposing troops and guns on the border was another great moment.

What I didn't like most about this interview was the foreign policy stuff. Rand said the Republican party should change its rhetoric on FP, but not change policy? Uh... yeah, no.

I did like that he pushed back against federalizing marriage, though. Would have preferred he staked out the private marriage stance, but considering the amount of pandering he did in the FP bit, this was a solid answer.

The Ron Paul video posted earlier in this thread was from the 2011 debates. If you missed the video it was this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLnB6L_EkU

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

The Ron Paul video posted earlier in this thread was from the 2011 debates. If you missed the video it was this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzLnB6L_EkU

Yup, that was the opposition of guns answer. That was an instant classic