Trump’s Immigration Ban Is Illegal

[TommyJeff]

The mention of proportions of religions in the executive order makes it about religion in those 7 counties. Only one religion would NOT be giving exceptions (it doesn't say exception it says priority. In the ER they take the patient with a gun shot wound before the patient with a dislocated shoulder. That prioritization is only about the order and not telling the shoulder dislocation person they can't be treated second) and that is the muslims. But if you want to expand it out to other countries, a good question would be why aren't the Saudis, Egyptians on the list? (Because those were not part of the list congress passed in 2015 which pointed out specific nations without a form of stable government and thus, an impossible vetting process. It's good to emphasize Trump did not make this "list". But you knew that, right?). That is where the terrorists came from. There is swamp gas wafting all over those exceptions.
An EO is an attempt to circumvent laws passed by congress. (The executive branch carries out the law. When the president directs the executive branch as to how they will carry out a law or prioritize an immigration process, that doesn't infer circumventing congress.) There IS no law passed that give the president authority to issue an EO allowing people into, or barring people into this country based on minority or majority religion (does the EO say this? I thought it says prioritize. Check the EO) and if there is Congress did NOT have the authority to pass it(why not? The 1st amendment doesn't protect non citizens in other countries, does it?) . A President trying to favor certain religions entry into the country, is unconstitutional (quote the constitution- where do you find this?).

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[TommyJeff]

Those seven nations do not have recognized central governments, so we don't really have any way to verify who's coming. The other nations do.
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Exactly right

 

[euphemia]

Step one of vetting: Call the country issuing the visa to see if it's legit. If nobody answers the phone, then it will be a 90 day wait.

Adding: Neg reppers crack me up. They repeat verbatim exactly what the msm tells them.

 

[klamath]

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I don't necessary disagree that a strong vetting process needs to happen and if a ban until that process can be sorted out that is fine, but the wording of the EO on religion IS unconstitutional. This has nothing to do with medical triage.

"provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion"

Very specifically and COMPLETELY eliminates Muslims in those countries, no matter how certain sects are being tortured and killed and I guarantee many more Muslims are being killed and tortured in those countries than Christians. I am old enough to remember when the Israeli army over watched the Christian Phalange slaughter 700 to 3000 Muslims in Lebanon.
But I can see it is pretty much useless to continue as I am sure you would find a way to defend trump no matter what he does.

 

[Ender]

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

So according to you, it's OK for El Pres to do what he wants because he's not Congress? The president has no jurisdiction in making any law.

 

[Ender]

Those seven nations do not have recognized central governments, so we don't really have any way to verify who's coming. The other nations do. There are reasons that have nothing to do with racism.

Eagle Forum has been publishing this information for at least two years. Please visit their site and look through the archives.

Are you really saying that Iran has no central government?

 

[klamath]

Are you really saying that Iran has no central government?

There are no trump hotels in Iran so that equates to no central government....

 

[timosman]

There are no trump hotels in Iran so that equates to no central government....

Spicy!

 

[TommyJeff]

A President trying to favor certain religions entry into the country, is unconstitutional.

An easy way to settle this. Show me exactly where it says it's unconstitutional for a US president to favor a religion of a foreign person.

 

[TommyJeff]

There is lot's of non main stream media pushing fake news as well and a lot of people pushing known false statements.

I agree.
But there is implied ethics, journalistic integrity and fact-finding, when reading or viewing the mainstream media. That makes for a huge problem as the media was (and is) so trusted. A person reading a blog may mistakenly trust or believe it but their isn't a similar inherent trust applied to all bloggers on the internet

 

[euphemia]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

So according to you, it's OK for El Pres to do what he wants because he's not Congress? The president has no jurisdiction in making any law.

Who is doing this? Nobody is. The EO specifically deals with seven nations without strong central governments. People holding visas from those countries are not allowed in for the next 90 days because nobody is manning the phones over there to be able to verify the legitimacy of those documents. It's not religion. It's identity.

 

[TommyJeff]

I don't necessary disagree that a strong vetting process needs to happen and if a ban until that process can be sorted out that is fine, but the wording of the EO on religion IS unconstitutional. This has nothing to do with medical triage.
Very specifically and COMPLETELY eliminates Muslims in those countries, no matter how certain sects are being tortured and killed and I guarantee many more Muslims are being killed and tortured in those countries than Christians. I am old enough to remember when the Israeli army over watched the Christian Phalange slaughter 700 to 3000 Muslims in Lebanon.
But I can see it is pretty much useless to continue as I am sure you would find a way to defend trump no matter what he does.

ok, maybe we need to focus on the wording of the EO. possibly thats where we disagree. To me, prioritizing a group is similar to triage. Are you saying this EO doesn't prioritize but rather goes beyond that?

 

[TommyJeff]

But I can see it is pretty much useless to continue as I am sure you would find a way to defend trump no matter what he does.

This is quite unfounded.
I would like you to back up your unconstitutional claim. I didn't defend trumps actions, I denied your claim of unconditionality. Please I ask you to just back up that claim with fact, but there is no need for comments linking me to anything trump does(ridiculous!).

 

[timosman]

Who is doing this? Nobody is. The EO specifically deals with seven nations without strong central governments. People holding visas from those countries are not allowed in for the next 90 days because nobody is manning the phones over there to be able to verify the legitimacy of those documents. It's not religion. It's identity.

Ender was always a SJW. The vow of poverty may do that to you.

 

[klamath]

An easy way to settle this. Show me exactly where it says it's unconstitutional for a US president to favor a religion of a foreign person.

First amendment but better you show us where in the constitution the president is given the right to regulate travel to this country?

 

[timosman]

First amendment but better you show us where in the constitution the president is given the right to regulate travel to this country?

This is sigworthy. The POTUS should only play golf and be telling us how great the economy is doing. Zippy for president!

 

[klamath]

ok, maybe we need to focus on the wording of the EO. possibly thats where we disagree. To me, prioritizing a group is similar to triage. Are you saying this EO doesn't prioritize but rather goes beyond that?

Yes. They can get a waver providing that they are the minority. It isn't prioritizing it is ONLY giving the chance for a waver to the minority religion. There is no option to be evaluated in second priority for a waver for the majority religion. There IS NO option to be considered if you belong to the majority religion in any order of priority.

 

[timosman]

Yes. They can get a waver providing that they are the minority. It isn't prioritizing it is ONLY giving the chance for a waver to the minority religion. There is no option to be evaluated in second priority for a waver for the majority religion. There IS NO option to be considered if you belong to the majority religion in any order of priority.

 

[klamath]

This is sigworthy. The POTUS should only play golf and be telling us how great the economy is doing. Zippy for president!

And execute the laws passed by congress. As the EO states it is based on a law passed by congress it better NOT have religious exception in it because then it is in violation of the first amendment. Trumps Executive order cites a congressional law as authority it better faithfully follow that law.

 

[TommyJeff]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

So according to you, it's OK for El Pres to do what he wants because he's not Congress? The president has no jurisdiction in making any law.

I never said that, did I?
I specifically said this EO didn't create law. Right?