Trump Pushes Back Against Neocon Plan to Invade Syria

like dannno and Mordan, are 110% Reality Resistant.

If you can't see the deep state is against Trump, then you are the one who has reality issues. Did you notice they have largely dropped the whole Russia Trump conspiracy? They were trying to ruin Trump with that, it is a lie, and now he turned it against them.

The neocons are pretending to like him now, after the Syria attack, and that was a genius move that will ultimately increase Trump's public perception, but they are not friends of his.
 
I get about 90 seconds of his Canadian/condescending tone into my feeble head and I'm ready to go ballistic....

The guy grates on me on a cellular level...

Stefan is a huckster and a liar... and a weird one at that. Some weak minded people fall victim to the cult-style mentality that surrounds him and they will defend their bias at all costs. They LOOOOOOVE to 'virtue signal' their 'superiority' as in the quote you were responding to rather than act and speak on their own merits and actions. Interesting to witness from the rafters...
 
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The powers that be divide and conquer us by convincing us that voting for the lesser of two evils is worthwhile.

But rarely do they put their entire credibility on the line to attack one candidate, while propping up another, and lose.

I've been in the anti-lesser of two evils camp my entire life. It came natural to me, when I was as young as 7 or 8 years old and Bush Sr. was running for his first time.

Unless this is an elaborate hoax, I'm not buying that this election was the same as the ones before. They could have gotten their person of choice or someone at least acceptable in without destroying the credibility of their own propaganda piece.

Sorry, but you are making this way too simplistic when it is actually a lot more complicated.
 
Are you blinkin' serious? :confused:

If the deep state wanted Trump as President, it would have been completely retarded to come up with a crazy hoax where there is a huge conspiracy among the media to totally discredit themselves, just to get him elected. They have easier ways of doing this stuff.

Sorry, but you, knowingly or unknowingly, are tool of the deep state... NOT for promoting what Ron Paul or some actual liberty proponent says criticizing Trump, you are a tool of the deep state for promoting the shills on here who were posting BS stories about Trump being a Russian agent and about Russian hacking while Ron Paul was dismissing all that as total BS.. Your problem is that you couldn't see where Ron Paul and the shills on here were parting ways, and why that was way more important than where Ron Paul and Trump part ways.
 
But rarely do they put their entire credibility on the line to attack one candidate, while propping up another, and lose.

I've been in the anti-lesser of two evils camp my entire life. It came natural to me, when I was as young as 7 or 8 years old and Bush Sr. was running for his first time.

Unless this is an elaborate hoax, I'm not buying that this election was the same as the ones before. They could have gotten their person of choice or someone at least acceptable in without destroying the credibility of their own propaganda piece.

Sorry, but you are making this way too simplistic when it is actually a lot more complicated.

No, YOU are making it too simple.

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up and help him win. He would never have gotten anywhere w/o them.

It doesn't matter if it was negative or positive- news is news and as long as you are on the front page, that's all that matters. Trump knows this and so does the MSM. They used this ploy to get Trump elected. If they had not wanted him POTUS he would have become He Who Shall Not Be Named- just like a guy called Ron Paul.
 
The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up and help him win. He would never have gotten anywhere w/o them.

They didn't need Donald Trump to win. They didn't need to put their credibility on the line. They have plenty of shills. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, all highly acceptable to the deep state. Your argument makes zero sense.
 
No, YOU are making it too simple.

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up and help him win. He would never have gotten anywhere w/o them.

It doesn't matter if it was negative or positive- news is news and as long as you are on the front page, that's all that matters. Trump knows this and so does the MSM. They used this ploy to get Trump elected. If they had not wanted him POTUS he would have become He Who Shall Not Be Named- just like a guy called Ron Paul.

The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up in the Primary and help him win Hillary win. The Donald detractors have to be nuts to think that the Uniparty wanted Trump to win after what transpired in the GE.
 
Unless this is an elaborate hoax, I'm not buying that this election was the same as the ones before. They could have gotten their person of choice or someone at least acceptable in without destroying the credibility of their own propaganda piece.

Sorry, but you are making this way too simplistic when it is actually a lot more complicated.

Who is?

Their propaganda machine was at the lowest ebb of credibility it had seen in a hundred years. That was going in to this election. There was nothing left to destroy.

You are the one making it more complicated than it is. That propaganda machine is their tool. It is a means to their ends. It is not the ends themselves.

If a mechanic breaks his wrench, he will turn around and use that broken wrench as a hammer. Why would he not? It's his tool, and if he can get some use out of it, he will. The only reason not to use a wrench as a hammer is you might break it, and then it won't be useful as a wrench any more. If it's already useless as a wrench, the mechanic will wield it as a hammer in a heartbeat. Likewise, if a propaganda machine is not swaying people to do as it says, but moving people to do just the opposite, they will use that propaganda machine for reverse psychology. Wouldn't you? If you were using your voice to tell a child what you wanted done, and the child was doing the exact opposite, would you not use your voice to tell the child not to do what you wanted done?

Reality is, Donald Trump was the beneficiary of about a trillion dollars' worth of free publicity. You saw Ron Paul and Rand Paul not get a thousand dollars' worth of free publicity out of them. They Who Must Not Be Named were never mentioned. And you refuse to bow to the reality of that.

But it's all good. You always did have a high tolerance for getting laughed at.

They didn't need Donald Trump to win. They didn't need to put their credibility on the line. They have plenty of shills. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, all highly acceptable to the deep state. Your argument makes zero sense.

When the voters send a clear message that they will only vote for someone they think is not a puppet, then the puppeteers find some puppet who can convince the voters that he isn't really a puppet. It's too late for the known puppets (with names like Clinton and Bush giving them away) to pull that trick.

I know, this is too adult a puzzle for some people. But I have to say it anyway.
 
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The MSM USED PR to prop the Donald up in the Primary and help him win Hillary win. The Donald detractors have to be nuts to think that the Uniparty wanted Trump to win after what transpired in the GE.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy

Republican Donald Trump, a far-right demagogue who campaigned on a slew of bigoted, xenophobic policies, has won the 2016 presidential election in a shocking victory few people predicted.

What was not often acknowledged in Trump’s heated race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, however, was how her campaign fueled his rise to power.

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
 
He can push back all he wants, they will keep planting chemical weapons until he capitulates.
 
Thanks for reinforcing what I stated.

What you stated is the Uniparty didn't want Trump elected. What we are saying to you is, you have to be nuts to think the Uniparty would deliberately promote someone who could actually turn out to be a legitimate threat to it.

They could have accomplished the exact same goal by promoting Rand Paul, but they did not. They brought in Trump to do it. Why? What did Trump bring to the table that Paul did not?

The answer is, they prefer fail-safe plans to plans that hinge on genuine wild cards. Their game is, present two puppets for us to choose from and never, ever talk about any candidates who aren't puppets.

Your whole theory hinges on your belief that Republican primary voters cannot be fooled into thinking someone is something they are not--i.e, they couldn't be fooled into thinking Trump was not the tool he obviously is. But they got fooled into thinking Nixon cared about law and order, Reagan was fiscally conservative, and Dubya would stoutly resist nation-building.

Didn't they?

How was this election so different from all the others, again? The subtleties are lost on me...
 
I dunno. She had a pretty solid budget and a very tight control on the messaging.


I was being sarcastic to the person who said there are no Don supporters here.

The powers that be divide and conquer us....

There are no "powers that be." That's nothing but a victim mentality.

The game is going on right under your nose, not in some political thriller.

Are you blinkin' serious? :confused:

I should say that I am not aware of any. Are you?
 
AuH20 buys the swill from WGOP inc.: 'The Donald detractors have to be nuts to think that the Uniparty wanted Trump to win after what transpired in the GE.'

:rolleyes:

...cut it out!..all the republicans i know who voted for stinking republican puppet$ bush, mccain, and romney, all voted for 'him who speaketh with forked tongue, but him not white him orange'...get it through your republicrat skulls...it's not so much what they say [although that's really really bad] it's what your republicrats NEVER say/admit...for example, that 'US foreign policy' is a big ol' bag of evil stoooooooopidity...and it has been so for a looooooooong time...world champion militarism, interventionism, 'put the puppet in, take the puppet outism,' bombing, killing, arms dealing, spying, thievery, etc. ad nauseam...world champions mind you!...but hardly an honest open focused peep EVER from your miserable republicrats...hear me now and believe me later, your shilling/apologizing for these gd republicrat creeps is understood by many as just plain goddamned foolish/or evil, take your pick...and will be seen as gd foolish/evil by even more tomorrow... ;)
 
What you stated is the Uniparty didn't want Trump elected. What we are saying to you is, you have to be nuts to think the Uniparty would deliberately promote someone who could actually turn out to be a legitimate threat to it.

They could have accomplished the exact same goal by promoting Rand Paul, but they did not. They brought in Trump to do it. Why? What did Trump bring to the table that Paul did not?

The answer is, they prefer fail-safe plans to plans that hinge on genuine wild cards. Their game is, present two puppets for us to choose from and never, ever talk about any candidates who aren't puppets.

Your whole theory hinges on your belief that Republican primary voters cannot be fooled into thinking someone is something they are not--i.e, they couldn't be fooled into thinking Trump was not the tool he obviously is. But they got fooled into thinking Nixon cared about law and order, Reagan was fiscally conservative, and Dubya would stoutly resist nation-building.

Didn't they?

How was this election so different from all the others, again? The subtleties are lost on me...

Trump was promoted early on for Hillary's longterm benefit, thanks in large part to Trump's uncouth, politically incorrect style. The HRC campaign internal memos revealed as much. But the plan backfired in the GE after a deluge of negative stories that simply didn't pass muster. It was overkill. Trump masterfully pivoted against the MSM, which the Clinton camp never envisioned.
 
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I'm honestly curious why you think that might be. Feel free to PM. I'm sincerely curious.


Not really. It's not because I don't think you're a good guy, undergroundrr, but because anything I'm absolutely sure about will be posted in the open. I'll say what I think. People are free to read or not read what I post. Bryan and the moderators can ban me if they'd like. I really don't care. I sure as hell would not apologize, suck up, or "appeal" to come back. These forums are a dime-a-dozen.
 
I think there was a bit of a "wildcard" element in the election, but I would not necessarily use that word. I think some things came together in a somewhat unique way that no one could 100% foresee or control. The so-called "powers that be" are often disparate elements that don't agree, or are even at odds.

You had a guy with a lot of money. Sort of like Ross Perot. The big X factor and difference between Perot and Don Trump was social media. Media has become so diffuse that other than traditional telecommunications sources became a big factor. The idea that that "fake news" was turned on the very people who tried to push it shows many in the media did not have control. Traditional media also saw good ratings (hence money) giving their attention to Don T, but that seems to have backfired.

Nobody controls all of this. Some are just forces of history, forces beyond anyone's control. There is no "they."
 
But you don't.

I actually do. People are not always paying attention or reading what others say. It's embodied in this phrase I constantly see: I didn't read the whole thread, but.... That is indicative of self-absorption. If someone did not read what I said, why should I read what they said? I they did not read others' posts, then what makes them think others are reading their posts?

I share my views all time. If you're interested then you know where to find them.
 
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