Trump Pushes Back Against Neocon Plan to Invade Syria

I think there was a bit of a "wildcard" element in the election, but I would not necessarily use that word. I think some things came together in a somewhat unique way that no one could 100% foresee or control. The so-called "powers that be" are often disparate elements that don't agree, or are even at odds.

You had a guy with a lot of money. Sort of like Ross Perot. The big X factor and difference between Perot and Don Trump was social media. Media has become so diffuse that other than traditional telecommunications sources became a big factor. The idea that that "fake news" was turned on the very people who tried to push it shows many in the media did not have control. Traditional media also saw good ratings (hence money) giving their attention to Don T, but that seems to have backfired.

Nobody controls all of this. Some are just forces of history, forces beyond anyone's control. There is no "they."

Wow. I agree with all that. And I agree strongly with the last paragraph.

It's what allows me to still hold out hope that liberty candidates can win in the future and redirect the ship. We just don't know where, when, who or how. The only certainty is that if you don't show up, you can't win.
 
Donald Trump complains about they or those powers that be. And he is the president. So who is he talking about? Isn't he the power? Isn't he the man? A lot of people think so.

If the president of the US complains, then who is controlling the strings? The bankers? The media? Unions? Libs? The military? Immigrants? Gates? Walmart? Foreigners? Your boss? Putin? Don's wife? The guy from India who owns the motel?
 
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Okay, then who?

It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.
 
It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.

OK- who here is sleeping with the White House staff? Was this some pizza party? Time to knock it off!
 
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It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.

Lies. We all know Trump is a retard who is easily manipulated by the people around him and what he sees on television. Trump doesn't make any decisions, his daughter does, his adviser does, his son-in-law does. Boobus basically elected the biggest boobus of them all to be our President.

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It's a conglomerate of many of those who you mentioned. There is a top-down structure, but also some factions. I think it is all pretty well hidden, which makes it more difficult to define. But we do know where and when many of their meetings and get togethers are, and we know who on this forum is helping contribute to their well-being.


Eh, I don't know, man. Even those people are never on the same page.

It's not like everything is out of your control. I've never shopped at Walmart and never will. Junk. I seldom hit a dollar store. I will never pay for dumbass TV. I opted out of the only union to which I belonged. I've bought two items on credit in my life and will never again. I'll buy anything from any foreigner or anybody else as long as I get value. I never considered the military and I'm not picking up a gun against anybody 8k miles away. I'm not some bad ass, but a cop shoots my dog and there's no way he's getting away with it.

Those might sound like small things, but they add up to your life. The union boss was mad, but I told them I'm not paying their dues so they can fund Democrats. I've never taken a drug test for a job and never will. Never show your boss you're afraid to lose your job. And on and on.

That does not mean you don't have to adjust, but I think you have to have lines. The whole "powers that be" is just a victim mentality to me. I go my own way. F*ck those people, and f*ck everybody else.
 
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They didn't need Donald Trump to win. They didn't need to put their credibility on the line. They have plenty of shills. Hillary, Jeb, Rubio, all highly acceptable to the deep state. Your argument makes zero sense.

I agree. His argument is mind boggling dishonest. I feel like I am talking to my illogical brother.

Hillary was the best candidate for the deep state. Why would the MSM prop Trump? Ender still on the train thought that Trump is running to make Hillary win?

Ender and company are still butt hurt. Their emotions cloud their thinking.
 
Eh, I don't know, man. Even those people are never on the same page.

It's not like everything is out of your control. I've never shopped at Walmart and never will. Junk. I seldom hit a dollar store. I will never pay for dumbass TV. I opted out of the only union to which I belonged. I've bought two items on credit in my life and will never again. I'll buy anything from any foreigner or anybody else as long as I get value. I never considered the military and I'm not picking up a gun against anybody 8k miles away. I'm not some bad ass, but a cop shoots my dog and there's no way he's getting away with it.

Those might sound like small things, but they add up to your life. The union boss was mad, but I told them I'm not paying their dues so they can fund Democrats. I've never taken a drug test for a job and never will. Never show your boss you're afraid to lose your job. And on and on.

That does not mean you don't have to adjust, but I think you have to have lines. The whole "powers that be" is just a victim mentality to me. I go my own way. F*ck those people, and f*ck everybody else.

Do you pay taxes?
 
Ender, CPUd, Pizzo, and all those useful idiots are the same people who manipulate emotions (CPUd) or are manipulated by emotions (...) to further a nefarious purpose like in the McDonald coffee lawsuit.
 
Ender, CPUd, Pizzo, and all those useful idiots are the same people who manipulate emotions (CPUd) or are manipulated by emotions (...) to further a nefarious purpose like in the McDonald coffee lawsuit.

Are you triggered bro?
 
I agree. His argument is mind boggling dishonest. I feel like I am talking to my illogical brother.

Hillary was the best candidate for the deep state. Why would the MSM prop Trump? Ender still on the train thought that Trump is running to make Hillary win?

Ender and company are still butt hurt. Their emotions cloud their thinking.

Trump would have a better chance at Israel firsting because democrats had been running away from that and was hated by Israel
 
Why would the TPTB expend so much critical political and social capital against DJT if Donald Trump was in their stable from the start? Now that's not to say that they couldn't have turned him now. Based on the composition of his cabinet, that theory has credence. There is also another theory that Trump was backed by another faction of the Deep State to war against the more fabian socialist faction that typified Clinton and Obama. An internecine war of sorts between the Masters of the Universe.
 
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Why would the TPTB expend so much critical political and social capital against DJT if Donald Trump was in their stable from the start? Now that's not to say that they couldn't have turned him now. Based on the composition of his cabinet, that theory has credence.

It's far easier to believe that the media gave him the opposite of the Ron Paul treatment and covered him 24/7 because they wanted to hurt his chances. It's far easier to believe an outsider came in with no money and won a political contest. I mean if they really wanted to censor Trump wouldn't they try to kick him out of the debates?
 
Why would the TPTB expend so much critical political and social capital against DJT if Donald Trump was in their stable from the start? Now that's not to say that they couldn't have turned him now. Based on the composition of his cabinet, that theory has credence. There is also another theory that Trump was backed by another faction of the Deep State to war against the more fabian socialist faction that typified Clinton and Obama. An internecine war of sorts between the Masters of the Universe.

Pence was ok because balanced with Flynn and Bannon. Tillerson is middle. Good pick.

McMaster was the advisor that destroyed the balance in favors of neocons.

I don't know about Kushner. Probably Israel First. Ivanka feels and Trump listens to her.

Trump is also getting corrupted by power as well, like anyone would be, albeit at different speed, depending on your moral strength. Even Gandalf turned down the offer to take the Ring.
 
Pence was ok because balanced with Flynn and Bannon. Tillerson is middle. Good pick.

McMaster was the advisor that destroyed the balance in favors of neocons.

I don't know about Kushner. Probably Israel First. Ivanka feels and Trump listens to her.

Trump is also getting corrupted by power as well, like anyone would be, albeit at different speed, depending on your moral strength. Even Gandalf turned down the offer to take the Ring.

Pence and Tillerson talk daily with Cheney. Major red flags. On the other side, the Javanka power couple are nearly completely compromised by the Clintonistas and Israel's Likud Party.

Bannon, Miller and Anton comprise the only rebel faction in the White House.
 
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It's far easier to believe that the media gave him the opposite of the Ron Paul treatment and covered him 24/7 because they wanted to hurt his chances. It's far easier to believe an outsider came in with no money and won a political contest. I mean if they really wanted to censor Trump wouldn't they try to kick him out of the debates?

Access Hollywood Tape played in loop for 1 week. Because kick him out of the debates would be too obvious.

I just owned your petty argument. You are a tool. A shill paid to spread FUD.

Not worth much answering you, even less reading your drivel
 
Access Hollywood Tape played in loop for 1 week. Because kick him out of the debates would be too obvious.

I just owned your petty argument. You are a tool. A shill paid to spread FUD.

Not worth much answering you, even less reading your drivel

IT wasn't too obvious to kick Rand Paul out of the debates.
 
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