Trump on immigration & war w/Tim Pool at LP 2024 national convention

[Swordsmyth]

It's afraid.... And those cost figures are ridiculous lies.

And ignore the costs of the invaders, and assume he doesn't cut the funding that is used to help bring them here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course they are.

The pro invasion people will have you believing the moon will fall out of it's orbit if you depart one single invader.

I could deport a million in less than a year and spend less than what is being spent now.

It's all horse$#@! and lies, being thrown around by people that want this country destroyed.

Including people here.

 

[acptulsa]

Including people here.

If you don't want Washington throwing billions at federalizing local police departments you want aliens to take over the country.

If you don't want Washington throwing billions at filling school libraries with porn you don't want children educated.

You're such a Democrat.

 

[Swordsmyth]

If you don't want Washington throwing billions at federalizing local police departments you want aliens to take over the country.

If you don't want Washington throwing billions at filling school libraries with porn you don't want children educated.

You're such a Democrat.

Again making up things I didn't say.

 

[acptulsa]

Again making up things I didn't say.

You never say anything. You just cast aspersions left and right and call people names.

 

[CCTelander]

You never say anything. You just cast aspersions left and right and call people names.

It’s part of his “charm,” such as it is.

 

[familydog]

I remember when Ron Paul was attacked for taking pork barrel projects for his district. His defense was that the money was going to be spent anyway, he might as well get something for his people.

One trillion over 10 years is going to be spent anyway. I'd like to get something for my people with that.

 

[Snowball]

Well, gee, betraying us at Bretton Wood was less bad than funding Fauci. But Nixon going entirely to funny money was what enabled Trump to finance Bill Gates' mass murder.

Sorry, I'm not getting the big distinction here.

oh, there are plenty.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Trump will never do anything what he said on Timcast.

But he will bomb Moscow and Beijing if China attacks Taiwan and Russia attacks Ukrainian on his watch...

 

[fisharmor]

@fisharmor

Who is they? What reasons not to?

The people "defending our home".
Why aren't they out there gunning down the hordes crossing the border?
Everyone wanting to "defend the border" (particularly you in the last couple years) has made it very clear they are not fully human.
What reason would you give not to simply execute anyone not crossing through a border crossing?
Maybe you made some sort of Freudian slip, but I think it's worth exploring. If they don't have the same rights I do, then why isn't mass execution a viable solution?

 

[Anti Federalist]

The people "defending our home".
Why aren't they out there gunning down the hordes crossing the border?
Everyone wanting to "defend the border" (particularly you in the last couple years) has made it very clear they are not fully human.
What reason would you give not to simply execute anyone not crossing through a border crossing?
Maybe you made some sort of Freudian slip, but I think it's worth exploring. If they don't have the same rights I do, then why isn't mass execution a viable solution?

Good question.

The quick answer is: Those waging 5th Gen warfare against us have discovered that it is much easier to invade using bodies instead of bombs and bullets.

That way, natural sympathies, displayed in remarks such as "you are an inhuman monster that wants to execute poor refugees and newcomers" are very effectively arrayed against anyone wanting to put up the slightest bit of resistance to the invading hordes.

By the time such soft hearted flummery is realized for the disarming danger it is, the job will already have been done and the new majority installed.

Then the fun will really start...but by then, mounting any resistance will be too late.

 

[PAF]

arrayed against anyone wanting to put up the slightest bit of resistance to the invading hordes.

Invitees, AF, invitees. Your tax dollars via your representatives give the NGOs the money to invite and transport them. So instead of putting blame on yourself and the U.S. Representative who are voted into office, you are blaming the wrong people.

And as long as you blame the wrong people who you consider sub-human, the problem will never get solved, other than your "solution" of mass extermination, or a full-blown police-state provided by the same U.S. Representatives noted above.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Invitees, AF, invitees. Your tax dollars via your representatives give the NGOs the money to invite and transport them. So instead of putting blame on yourself and the U.S. Representative who are voted into office, you are blaming the wrong people.

And as long as you blame the wrong people who you consider sub-human, the problem will never get solved, other than your "solution" of mass extermination, or a full-blown police-state provided by the same U.S. Representatives noted above.

Invaders [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION], invaders.

Just the same as if they charged the border with tanks and artillery.

Somebody would have financed that as well.

If I have a pit bull tearing my throat out, worrying about who bought and trained and funded and sicc'ed the pit bull on me has no immediate bearing on my life or death situation.

Ceasing the attack, using whatever force is needed, including lethal force, is the only thing I am going to be concerned about, at this point.

Why do you keep repeating yourself...you do not believe in nor support the concept of a nation and a cohesive people in any case.

 

[fisharmor]

Good question.

The quick answer is: Those waging 5th Gen warfare against us have discovered that it is much easier to invade using bodies instead of bombs and bullets.

That way, natural sympathies, displayed in remarks such as "you are an inhuman monster that wants to execute poor refugees and newcomers" are very effectively arrayed against anyone wanting to put up the slightest bit of resistance to the invading hordes.

I didn't call you an inhuman monster. I asked why we stop at rhetoric that casts them as subhuman, and why we don't follow through.
I am further asking why you're falling for the most obvious 5th generation warfare aspect of all of this, and keeping your attention fixated on the proximate problem, the immigrants, instead of focusing attention on the people who are perpetuating the warfare.

I'm pretty certain my personal threshold for what to do to them would be at least as low as yours and probably much lower. I certainly would pretend never to have heard of the 8th amendment in that situation.

But that's because I see a stark difference between the 5th generation warriors who are hellbent on ruining my standard of living, and the people who are fleeing fucked up political situations created by those same 5g warriors and are just trying to create a future for their children that doesn't involve living in shacks made of billboard.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I didn't call you an inhuman monster. I asked why we stop at rhetoric that casts them as subhuman, and why we don't follow through.
I am further asking why you're falling for the most obvious 5th generation warfare aspect of all of this, and keeping your attention fixated on the proximate problem, the immigrants, instead of focusing attention on the people who are perpetuating the warfare.

Fair enough.

I answered that question in post #169

I'm pretty certain my personal threshold for what to do to them would be at least as low as yours and probably much lower. I certainly would pretend never to have heard of the 8th amendment in that situation.

Or the people planning to exterminate us all with some man made super plague.

Vice grips and blowtorches would be too kind for that lot.

But that's because I see a stark difference between the 5th generation warriors who are hellbent on ruining my standard of living, and the people who are fleeing fucked up political situations created by those same 5g warriors and are just trying to create a future for their children that doesn't involve living in shacks made of billboard.

In many of those cases, the people seeking better living conditions are fleeing nations and societies that they themselves have fucked up, by supporting policies and politicians that created the third world shitholes they are fleeing from.

Nobody is stopping them from electing a Milie or Bukale or Bolsonaro or Orban or Farage.

Let them fix their own selves, we have enough problems of our own.

 

[PAF]

Invaders [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION], invaders.

Just the same as if they charged the border with tanks and artillery.

Somebody would have financed that as well.

Where are the foreign tanks and military? After all this time, I still don't see any.

If I have a pit bull tearing my throat out, worrying about who bought and trained and funded and sicc'ed the pit bull on me has no immediate bearing on my life or death situation.

Is there an immigrant tearing your throat out as we speak?

Ceasing the attack, using whatever force is needed, including lethal force, is the only thing I am going to be concerned about, at this point.

A couple of days ago I went down to pick up some chicken breast on sale. Some person approached me after I left the store and asked for some change. I said I didn't have any to spare. For some strange reason I didn't feel the need to blow his head off.

Why do you keep repeating yourself...you do not believe in nor support the concept of a nation and a cohesive people in any case.

Here's what I do believe in: Money makes the world go round. With it, you can buy and pay for things things. Without it, see how far you get.

Here's what I support: Even though I don't vote, I feel that if more Americans [even a percentage] put major pressure on their reps [like I do], we would have a better chance of getting some results than if you just sat their typing and complaining ;-)

 

[Anti Federalist]

Where are the foreign tanks and military? After all this time, I still don't see any.

Is there an immigrant tearing your throat out as we speak?

Look, I do not know how much more clear I can make it.

Once enough invaders are here, once critical mass has been reached (my guess is another ten years) the Marxist revolutionaries will arm them and give the police powers.

They will use these cadres of invaders to kill or imprison every last refusenik, small land holder, bourgeois small business owner, creator, inventor or anybody else that is perceived as a threat to the New Regime.

OK, that's us...that's my children and grandchildren, OK?

This has been the history of Bolshevik and Marxist and Maoist revolution all over the world for a over a century now.

That's what the fight is about.

Here's what I do believe in: Money makes the world go round. With it, you can buy and pay for things things. Without it, see how far you get.

Our enemies do not believe in money.

The ideology is more important.

Money is just a means to an end.

Here's what I support: Even though I don't vote, I feel that if more Americans [even a percentage] put major pressure on their reps [like I do], we would have a better chance of getting some results than if you just sat their typing and complaining ;-)

I'm on a first name basis with my state reps.

We talk weekly.

I'm on a first name basis with my town reps, and we speak often as well.

In fact, a good friend just got elected to the town planning board and in the first week was able to torpedo a new restrictive zoning plan.

By so doing, I like to think I am doing my part to keep NH as free as possible.

I will freely admit to having no truck at all with my federal reps.

They are utter losers and not worth my time.

But you don't vote, and you don't believe in representative government and you don't believe in the concept of a nation at all.

But you see fit to lecture me on "not doing enough" and just typing and complaining.

 

[Occam's Banana]

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But that's because I see a stark difference between the 5th generation warriors who are hellbent on ruining my standard of living, and the people who are fleeing fucked up political situations created by those same 5g warriors and are just trying to create a future for their children that doesn't involve living in shacks made of billboard.

In many of those cases, the people seeking better living conditions are fleeing nations and societies that they themselves have fucked up, by supporting policies and politicians that created the third world shitholes they are fleeing from.

Nobody is stopping them from electing a Milie or Bukale or Bolsonaro or Orban or Farage.

Let them fix their own selves, we have enough problems of our own.

Why should it be incumbent upon you to "do something" about the "5th-generation warriors" in your country, but not upon others to have "do[ne] something" about the same kind of parasites in their countries (which parasites, as AF notes, were apt to have been supported - or at least not opposed - by the very people now fleeing them and seeking respite and succor here).

That one should be expected to "do something", not only on one's own behalf, but also on behalf of those others now here as well, seems a bit much.to reasonably demand.

 

[PAF]

Why should it be incumbent upon you to "do something" about the "5th-generation warriors" in your country, but not upon others to have "do[ne] something" about the same kind of parasites in their countries (which parasites, as AF notes, were apt to have been supported - or at least not opposed - by the very people now fleeing them and seeking respite and succor here).

That one should be expected to "do something", not only on one's own behalf, but also on behalf of those others now here as well, seems a bit much.to reasonably demand.

Can you rephrase that?

 

[PAF]

Look, I do not know how much more clear I can make it.

Once enough invaders are here, once critical mass has been reached (my guess is another ten years) the Marxist revolutionaries will arm them and give the police powers.

They will use these cadres of invaders to kill or imprison every last refusenik, small land holder, bourgeois small business owner, creator, inventor or anybody else that is perceived as a threat to the New Regime.

OK, that's us...that's my children and grandchildren, OK?

This has been the history of Bolshevik and Marxist and Maoist revolution all over the world for a over a century now.

That's what the fight is about.



Our enemies do not believe in money.

The ideology is more important.

Money is just a means to an end.



I'm on a first name basis with my state reps.

We talk weekly.

I'm on a first name basis with my town reps, and we speak often as well.

In fact, a good friend just got elected to the town planning board and in the first week was able to torpedo a new restrictive zoning plan.

By so doing, I like to think I am doing my part to keep NH as free as possible.

I will freely admit to having no truck at all with my federal reps.

They are utter losers and not worth my time.

But you don't vote, and you don't believe in representative government and you don't believe in the concept of a nation at all.

But you see fit to lecture me on "not doing enough" and just typing and complaining.

The problem, as it seems to me, is that you are so dead-set in your reasoning, as am I.

I am simply responding in such a way that coincides with your position of a "representative" form of government, while maintaining my position of the NAP. As an Agorist, I weight risk versus reward, and to me the only logical solution, which also prevents cyclic redundancy, is to cut off the funding. It also adds the benefit of not spending additional money, over and above the cyclic redundancy, on band aid solutions which doesn't even address the fundamental problem.