Libertarian Party 2024 national convention

I watched the whole thing live. The voting process was a mess. It should have been held on Saturday.

My take was that Angela McArdle was trying to reconcile with some rogue left-anarcho-libertarian state delegations, and allow them to participate. They proceeded to undertake in some voting shenanigans (imagine that). A lot of people were leaving Sunday night, so they kept delaying everything (via ridiculous points of order and slow voting) until late at night until they could form a majority. There were also reports of invalid ballots (kind of a version of vote harvesting). NOTA (None of the above) almost won, and thus the Libertarian Party wouldn't even have had a POTUS candidate. That's how Chase Oliver won.

Don't ask about "Starchild", who has worked diligently over the years to make sure the Libertarian Party is a joke. As an aside, in 2007, he was in attendance at a speech by Ron Paul, G. Edward Griffith, Justin Raimondo and others. He is usually barely dressed (apparently he was just wearing a g-string at this recent LP convention). In 2007, Ron was already the one who must not be named, and suppressed by Zuckerberg on Facebook, but a local reporter did a story on the speech. It mostly included quotes from Starchild along with a picture of him (shirtless if I recall, with a stuffed monkey on his shoulder). That was typical of Ron Paul media coverage back then.


LOL. No hit piece is complete without a mention of Starchild...

How the Libertarian Party Lost Its Way
Two years post-takeover, some longtime activists and donors claim the Mises Caucus has driven the party into the ground.
LIZ WOLFE | 6.25.2024

The Libertarian Party's biennial national convention in Washington, D.C., last month was a snapshot of a minor political party in the midst of a major identity crisis.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and independent challenger Robert F. Kennedy Jr. each spoke on stage, the former landing a coveted prime-time keynote slot. Fourth-place GOP presidential finisher Vivek Ramaswamy, who keeps trying to make a "libertarian-nationalist alliance" a thing, also gave a speech.

Michael Rectenwald, the favored presidential candidate of the Mises Caucus faction currently running the party, failed to secure the nomination after making a bumbling, post-Trump speech on stage while stoned, having made a spur-of-the-moment decision beforehand to pop an edible. Longtime party activist Starchild was dragged out by security for heckling the Republican headliner.[Complete lack of context. - B4L] In short, it was exactly what you might have expected had you been following L.P. drama over the past few years.

The fractured party reelected the Mises Caucus' Angela McArdle as chair but also selected as its presidential standard-bearer Chase Oliver, a gay 38-year-old antiwar activist and former Democrat who had pushed the most recent U.S. Georgia Senate race into a runoff election eventually won by a Democrat.

In the past three presidential elections, the Libertarian candidate appeared on all 50 state ballots plus the District of Columbia, finished in third place, and was backed by every state L.P. affiliate. None of that seems likely to happen this year.

The Montana L.P. after the convention immediately declared that it would not be placing Oliver's name on the ballot.
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Oliver's critics say he's culturally woke and was insufficiently opposed to the COVID regime of lockdowns, vaccine mandates, and masking. "I've been against vaccine or mask mandates from government," he countered to me and Zach Weissmueller on our show, Just Asking Questions. "If the COVID messaging was so good—this divisive messaging saying, If you wore a mask, if you ever took a vaccine, you're just an idiot and you're stupid or whatever—that's what [the Mises Caucus is] putting out there. And guess what? We're bleeding members and donors because people want to make decisions for themselves and not be shamed that they made a decision differently than their neighbor."

Meanwhile McArdle, against a pre-convention backdrop of declining party membership, fundraising, and ballot access, has portrayed last month's gathering as a triumph, while positing Oliver as a tool for siphoning away votes from President Joe Biden.

"Donald Trump says he's going to put a Libertarian in a Cabinet position. He came out and spoke to us. He said he's a Libertarian. He has basically endorsed us," McArdle said in a June 3 video address. "And so in return, I endorse Chase Oliver as the best way to beat Joe Biden. Get in loser, we are stopping Biden. That's what I think. That's what I think this campaign is about."

How did the party get here, to a place where its chair is openly cheering on victory for the decidedly nonlibertarian Trump?

The modern-day fracture of the L.P. started in 2017, when a small bloc formed the Mises Caucus, lionizing such figures as Ron Paul and Murray Rothbard. Generally young and extremely online, culturally right of center, attracted to sharp-elbowed podcasters like Smith and Tom Woods, the Mises crew exudes visceral hostility toward the state, the Fed, the war machine, and what they see as the philosophically compromised D.C. libertarian think-tankers (pejoratively termed "Beltwaytarians") who they believe enable rather than meaningfully oppose the "regime."

The Mises Caucus arose in revulsion toward the Gary Johnson/Bill Weld 2016 ticket, which they saw as having watered down the libertarian message to the point of being unrecognizable. They were further disappointed by 2020 nominee Jo Jorgensen and downright repulsed by the L.P.'s messaging on Black Lives Matter and COVID lockdowns.

In 2022, the Mises Caucus succeeded in a self-styled "takeover" of the party at its convention in Reno, after which the victors wasted little time inflaming the sensibilities of what they saw as the losing libertines. No more overemphasizing the importance of sex work, abortion, or free-flowing immigration, positions the new guard either disagreed with or felt needlessly alienated potential allies.
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Many of the disgruntled Libertarians point their ire at McArdle.* Former L.P. employee Michelle MacCutcheon, who had been in charge of onboarding all new volunteers (a "labor of love," as she described it), said the new regime carried out a purge of staffers, with little respect given to coalition building or professionalism. (McArdle, for instance, hired her own romantic partner as a contractor to help with fundraising). "We were on a great trajectory" before, MacCutcheon says. "All of that was just wiped clean."
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The fractures within the Libertarian Party are likely to deepen over the final 20 weeks of the presidential campaign. But the overall picture remains mixed—for instance, L.P. Communications Director Brian McWilliams tells Reason that fundraising is up 16 percent post-convention. ...
"I'm not even comfortable using the word 'libertarian' to describe myself, after all the damage the [Mises Caucus], LP, and MAGA have done to the word and scene," Bradley says. "At best, members of Mises Caucus are willing to tolerate and associate with known white supremacists, antisemites, Holocaust deniers….At worst, they are those people."
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More: https://reason.com/2024/06/25/how-the-libertarian-party-lost-its-way/
 
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The modern-day fracture of the L.P. started in 2017, when a small bloc formed the Mises Caucus, lionizing such figures as Ron Paul and Murray Rothbard.

There is an underlying jealousy that permeates the left libertarians. Ron Paul achieved much more than they ever could in their cozy beltway offices.

As seen multiple times on Twitter when they are engaging with Mises Caucus types, you will hear in frustration "the Libertarian Party is not the Ron Paul Party!"
 
"We were on a great trajectory" before, MacCutcheon says. "All of that was just wiped clean."
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LOL. Trajectory to what? Woke beltway libertarianism? Who was the last decent LP POTUS candidate? Badnarik?
 
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There is an underlying jealousy that permeates the left libertarians. Ron Paul achieved much more than they ever could in their cozy beltway offices.

As seen multiple times on Twitter when they are engaging with Mises Caucus types, you will hear in frustration "the Libertarian Party is not the Ron Paul Party!"

They are right, which is why Ron left it and told us to take over the GOP.
 
They are right, which is why Ron left it and told us to take over the GOP.

He didn't mean for authoritarian republicans to take it over. He meant the people who promote liberty, freedom and fiscal responsibility. You know, people like me, who you don't like despise lol.
 
LOL. Trajectory to what? Woke beltway libertarianism? Who was the last decent LP POTUS candidate? Badnarik?

Harry Browne.

I had the honor of having dinner with him at an event in NH back in the 90s.

Very much cut from the same cloth as Ron, a soft spoken but well spoken, solid, gentleman.
 
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There is an underlying jealousy that permeates the left libertarians. Ron Paul achieved much more than they ever could in their cozy beltway offices.

As seen multiple times on Twitter when they are engaging with Mises Caucus types, you will hear in frustration "the Libertarian Party is not the Ron Paul Party!"

Of course.

There always was a segment of leftarians who despised Ron and some of his "meat and potato" stances on things like abortion.
 
Michael Rectenwald, the favored presidential candidate of the Mises Caucus faction currently running the party, failed to secure the nomination after making a bumbling, post-Trump speech on stage while stoned, having made a spur-of-the-moment decision beforehand to pop an edible

Seriously?

He could not deliver a convincing speech because he got high?

For fuck's sake people, Idiocracy is not an instruction manual.
 
Seriously?

He could not deliver a convincing speech because he got high?

For fuck's sake people, Idiocracy is not an instruction manual.

Well, Afroman was there...

That was his excuse. It wasn't really a speech, it was an off the cuff Q&A and he really stumbled answering a question. He was obviously not prepared enough. But it does speak to his lack of sober judgement. I'd have to guess he had something to drink too.
 
Well, Afroman was there...

That was his excuse. It wasn't really a speech, it was an off the cuff Q&A and he really stumbled answering a question. He was obviously not prepared enough. But it does speak to his lack of sober judgement. I'd have to guess he had something to drink too.

I dunno what to make of that.

Maybe I just can't understand it.

I do my best speaking work fucked up. ;)
 
He didn't mean for authoritarian republicans to take it over. He meant the people who promote liberty, freedom and fiscal responsibility. You know, people like me, who you don't like despise lol.
LOL

He meant for Constitutional conservatives to take over the GOP, not globoanarchocommunist termites.
 
SPLIT TO: RFK Jr.'s 2024 POTUS campaign

Did Chase Oliver have that on his schedule?

I honestly don't know a thing about him other than seeing his name thrown around here on the forum.

I'm not looking for anybody to save me. It's more about getting the information out concerning Lobbyists and Captive Agencies [such as Pfizer], and that lawsuits against Monsanto and experimental poisons really can be won. Plus, like RFK, I'm not an advocate of a police-state nation.
 
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Ron Paul is a RINO.

So is Thomas Massie.

Rand Paul is too, most of the time.

For the reasons explained here and here.
 
Brian McWilliams | Part Of The Problem 1142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52YblEfL3Eo
{Dave Smith | 13 July 2024}

On this episode of Part Of The Problem, Dave is joined by the host of the Lions of Liberty podcast Brian McWilliams! Dave and Brian discuss the failures in communication from the Libertarian Party that led to the state of things today.

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