Trump on immigration & war w/Tim Pool at LP 2024 national convention

[Occam's Banana]

Can you rephrase that?

It's not AF's (or anyone else's) responsibility to "do something" about the "5g warriors" in his country for the sake of people who (for whatever reasons) didn't try to "do something" about (and may even have actively supported) the "5g warriors" in their countries before they fled to his.

Why does he get to be denounced as a "fascist" (or whatever) for opposing in his country the influx and presence of large numbers of people who did not do in their countries (and may even have done the opposite of) what he is being told he ought to do in his?

 

[PAF]

It's not AF's (or anyone else's) responsibility to "do something" about the "5g warriors" in his country for the sake of people who (for whatever reasons) didn't try to "do something" about (and may even have actively supported) the "5g warriors" in their countries before they fled to his.

Why does he get to be denounced as a "fascist" (or whatever) for opposing in his country the influx and presence of large numbers of people who did not do in their countries (and may even have done the opposite of) what he is being told he ought to do in his?

I don’t believe that I called AF fascist, other than perhaps in reference to possibly supporting one? I am not sure unless I am given a specific.

Anyway, refer to my post above concerning why AF should “do anything”, which pertains to the form of government that he voluntarily opts to endorse and support.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I don’t believe that I called AF fascist [...]

I didn't say you did (I didn't even refer to you at all, directly or indirectly) - and I included the parenthetical "or whatever" specifically to account for whatever other derogatory epithets anyone might wish to apply.

Anyway, refer to my post above concerning why AF should “do anything”, which pertains to the form of government that he voluntarily opts to endorse and support.

Why? I wasn't addressing any suggestion that AF ought to "do something" because of whatever "form of government that he voluntarily opts to endorse and support". My remarks would remain the same regardless of any such form (whether "representative" or not - or "democratic" or "monarchic" or "anarchic" or "statist" or whatever).

 

[Anti Federalist]

The problem, as it seems to me, is that you are so dead-set in your reasoning, as am I.

I am simply responding in such a way that coincides with your position of a "representative" form of government, while maintaining my position of the NAP. As an Agorist, I weight risk versus reward, and to me the only logical solution, which also prevents cyclic redundancy, is to cut off the funding. It also adds the benefit of not spending additional money, over and above the cyclic redundancy, on band aid solutions which doesn't even address the fundamental problem.

And that is what is so frustrating about this conversation.

I agree with you.

Yes, by all means, cut the NGO funding and the handouts, immediately.

But other things must happen at the same time.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump will never do anything what he said on Timcast.

But he will bomb Moscow and Beijing if China attacks Taiwan and Russia attacks Ukrainian on his watch...

Based on WaPo scum's anonymously sourced lies.
Just like he was going to get us into a war in Iran last time according to the TDS crowd.

 

[acptulsa]

Invitees,

It's way past time Americans stopped living in denial about that.

...other than your "solution" of mass extermination, or a full-blown police-state provided by the same U.S. Representatives noted above.

Or? And. And because those two things pretty much always go hand-in-hand.

Why do you keep repeating yourself...you do not believe in nor support the concept of a nation and a cohesive people in any case.

Why do you keep repeating yourself? And why are you conflating "nations" and "cohesive people"? Nation is a political entity. And politicians are the people deliberately trying to destroy our cohesion.

Just because PAF doesn't put a lot of stock in nations doesn't mean he doesn't value cohesiveness. One, as noted, that's one of the things he hates most about politicians, is their divide and conquer for fun and profit games. Two, how do you think the voluntaryist system he advocates would make out without it?

 

[acptulsa]

Based on WaPo scum's anonymously sourced lies.
Just like he was going to get us into a war in Iran last time according to the TDS crowd.

According to Trump's record, that's a point. Trump hasn't any more started a war than ended one. He seems to prefer starting bureaucracies and entire new branches of the military.

 

[CCTelander]

Why should it be incumbent upon you to "do something" about the "5th-generation warriors" in your country, but not upon others to have "do[ne] something" about the same kind of parasites in their countries (which parasites, as AF notes, were apt to have been supported - or at least not opposed - by the very people now fleeing them and seeking respite and succor here).

That one should be expected to "do something", not only on one's own behalf, but also on behalf of those others now here as well, seems a bit much.to reasonably demand.

With all due respect my brother, and I do have a great deal of respect for you, I think you're missing something here. I don't believe that [MENTION=17673]fisharmor[/MENTION] was in any way even implying that it was incumbent upon [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] or anyone else to "do something ... on behalf of those others now here as well." I think that fish was trying to direct AF's attention to the fact that he (AF) was falling for the usual misdirection, focusing the lion's share of his attention on the proximate effect (the immigrants themselves) and directing it away from the actual root cause of the problem.

I think that [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] is basically making the same point in his own individual way.

IMO, the whole thing boils down to the Thoreau quote that "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." You can hack away at the branches of a problem forever and never make any appreciable progress. The only way to actually solve any problem is to strike at the root.

[MENTION=17673]fisharmor[/MENTION] and [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] are right, IMO. I think AF IS focusing too much attention on the branches, and not enough on the roots.

 

[acptulsa]

IMO, the whole thing boils down to the Thoreau quote that "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." You can hack away at the branches of a problem forever and never make any appreciable progress. The only way to actually solve any problem is to strike at the root.
[MENTION=17673]fisharmor[/MENTION] and @ PAF are right, IMO. I think AF IS focusing too much attention on the branches, and not enough on the roots.

I've been hacking at the branches of their disagreement. And you just did a very Thoreau job of getting to the root of it.

 

[CCTelander]

I've been hacking at the branches of their disagreement. And you just did a very Thoreau job of getting to the root of it.

LOL!

I don't know whether to slap you or hug you.

ETA: After hearing about Scotty last night, and having had more than just a few beers since, I'm probably leaning toward the hug, but that'll only last as long as the effects of the berr do!

 

[Swordsmyth]

With all due respect my brother, and I do have a great deal of respect for you, I think you're missing something here. I don't believe that @fisharmor was in any way even implying that it was incumbent upon @Anti Federalist or anyone else to "do something ... on behalf of those others now here as well." I think that fish was trying to direct AF's attention to the fact that he (AF) was falling for the usual misdirection, focusing the lion's share of his attention on the proximate effect (the immigrants themselves) and directing it away from the actual root cause of the problem.

I think that @PAF is basically making the same point in his own individual way.

IMO, the whole thing boils down to the Thoreau quote that "There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root." You can hack away at the branches of a problem forever and never make any appreciable progress. The only way to actually solve any problem is to strike at the root.

@fisharmor and @PAF are right, IMO. I think AF IS focusing too much attention on the branches, and not enough on the roots.

You anarchists are sawing off the branch you are sitting on and calling it the root.

Evil is the root, government as a concept is not.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's way past time Americans stopped living in denial about that.



Or? And. And because those two things pretty much always go hand-in-hand.



Why do you keep repeating yourself? And why are you conflating "nations" and "cohesive people"? Nation is a political entity. And politicians are the people deliberately trying to destroy our cohesion.

Just because PAF doesn't put a lot of stock in nations doesn't mean he doesn't value cohesiveness. One, as noted, that's one of the things he hates most about politicians, is their divide and conquer for fun and profit games. Two, how do you think the voluntaryist system he advocates would make out without it?

And here you go endorsing borderlessness and the invaders again and opposing all attempts to put an end to the invasion.

Are you going to deny it again in the face of your own words?

 

[Swordsmyth]

According to Trump's record, that's a point. Trump hasn't any more started a war than ended one. He seems to prefer starting bureaucracies and entire new branches of the military.

He ended wars and didn't start any.
He got us out of Afghanistan and Somalia and made progress on others.

 

[acptulsa]

And here you go endorsing borderlessness and the invaders again and opposing all attempts to put an end to the invasion.

Are you going to deny it again in the face of your own words?

Yes.

When are you going to denounce all of the people who played a role in engineering and financing this invasion, including Trump?

Are you praising the people who created the problem because you like tying your panties in a knot in reaction, or because you hope the solution might be bloody?

Oh, yes, it's because you consider growing government exponentially to be "conservative". It's so contrary to reality that I keep forgetting that people can actually say it with a straight face.

 

[acptulsa]

He ended wars and didn't start any.
He got us out of Afghanistan and Somalia and made progress on others.

How many times are you going to cause the entirely predictable response of, "Trump didn't get us out of Afghanistan and Somalia wasn't a war"? You really want us to drive this point home, don't you?

 

[CCTelander]

You anarchists are sawing off the branch you are sitting on and calling it the root.

Evil is the root, government as a concept is not.

 

[Anti Federalist]

This morning, I don't even give a fuck anymore.

Ya'll duke it out...I quit...it's a fucking pointless argument anyway.

The damage has already been done...

 

[CaptUSA]

Evil is the root, government as a concept is not.

 

[PAF]

You anarchists are sawing off the branch you are sitting on and calling it the root.

Evil is the root, government as a concept is not.

Anarchist adj: A person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power.

Statist adj: A statist is an advocate of statism, a political system that favors state control over individual rights and freedoms.​

[MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] , [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] is calling me names again. And I can't!

 

[CCTelander]

Anarchist adj: A person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power.

Statist adj: A statist is an advocate of statism, a political system that favors state control over individual rights and freedoms.​

[MENTION=28167]Occam's Banana[/MENTION] , [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] is calling me names again! And I can't!

Frickin' snowflake!