Trump indictment #4: 2020 election RICO conspiracy [Fulton county GA]

[nobody's_hero]

Reads to me like Ron Paul doesn't give a flying $#@! about Trump the mantool, and is entirely concerned with the future implications of these precedents. Sounds to me like he agrees with me. But then, he didn't win over a dozen elections without learning how to be cagey about touchy subjects. And when the subject is Trump, he has proven it more than once. I suspect that hearing him speak candidly about DJTveg would be hilarious.

First they came . . . I guess.

I guess Dershowitz gets it, at least. I don't think anyone could argue with a straight-face that he likes Trump but even he's speaking up about these indictments.

"You cannot start making crimes out of things that the Democrats did -- Tilden Hayes, John Kennedy election 2000 election 2016 election, Jamie Raskin gets up and does some of the same things. These are political actions that the Constitution prefers us to take rather than going out on the streets and rioting. We're supposed to go to court. We're supposed to go to Congress. You can't make those things crimes. And you can't expand the RICO statute to now include political objections," he said.

When Trump was disputing the results of the 2020 election, he made a phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to help him "find 11,789 votes,"

"All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state," Trump reportedly said.

Georgia certified election results showing that Trump’s Democratic opponent Joe Biden won the state’s Nov. 3 election by 11,779 votes.

Dershowitz compared the call to Gore’s legal strategy in 2000.

"It’s pretty much the same thing I did and Professor Lawrence Tribe did, and those of us who were on the Al Gore team," Dershowitz said.

"I was representing the voters of Palm Beach County, and we were saying ‘please check this county, check that county, find this vote find those votes. We think there are more votes,’" Dershowitz described.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dershowitz-slams-trump-georgia-indictment (I wish anyone else had done the interview but there's your Faux News link if you want to read the rest of it)

 

[acptulsa]

I guess Dershowitz gets it, at least. I don't think anyone could argue with a straight-face that he likes Trump but even he's speaking up about these indictments.

And just what nice things have I said about any one of them?

If Dershowitz can hate Trump for whatever trumped-up reason, why can't I doubt him for my own just causes? And if he can do the one and deplore this abuse of power, why can't I do the other and deplore this abuse of power too?

My friend, this abuse of power and Trump are two different things. You think Trump is the victim. I think Trump is the "victim". But the precedent is just another big fat bite out of the Constitution.

First they came . . . I guess.

Wake me up when he spends more than ten minutes in jail.

 

[Snowball]

Wow, they went after Mark Meadows too...

they are hoping Meadows and any others rat on Trump

 

[nobody's_hero]

And just what nice things have I said about any one of them?



Wake me up when he spends more than ten minutes in jail.

63490 (or whatever) seems to be hoping he dies of stress before that happens. You might have to settle for that.

 

[69360]

LOL you definitely do watch too much MSM:

Because I used a common phrase? A lot of people are thinking the same I'm sure. I don't even have cable TV, so it's impossible for me to have seen that.

Agreed. The people should not be allowed to vote for the candidate they want. One's political opponents have every moral right to decide their competition.

Speaking as a Republican, Trump has zero chance of winning the general election. He needs to step aside and allow the primary to happen without him and a viable candidate to advance to the general.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Because I used a common phrase? A lot of people are thinking the same I'm sure. I don't even have cable TV, so it's impossible for me to have seen that.




Speaking as a Republican, Trump has zero chance of winning the general election. He needs to step aside and allow the primary to happen without him and a viable candidate to advance to the general.

If another candidate is 'viable' they should have no problem beating Trump in a primary.

 

[acptulsa]

63490 (or whatever) seems to be hoping he dies of stress before that happens. You might have to settle for that.

Don't think Trump's a Christian. But I am. I hope he dumps and marries a dozen more trophy wives before he's through. I just wish people would wise up to the old charlatan.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Don't think Trump's a Christian.

I don't either. But nothing in the rulebook says God only gets to choose from Christians as to people he finds a use for. Christians tend to forget that. They all gotta be Mother Theresa-quality or they don't count. Now, I realize that could be applied to just about anyone as an attempt to gloss over their flaws, but God didn't use them to wake people up. (I don't know, God may be using Biden, as sort of a 'okay I need to send a stronger message apparently.')

 

[69360]

If another candidate is 'viable' they should have no problem beating Trump in a primary.

Ability to win a primary does not make a candidate viable in a general election. But you already know that.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Ability to win a primary does not make a candidate viable in a general election. But you already know that.

No but if your primary voters aren't particularly enthusiastic about the nominee, you're fk'ed. (but you already knew that).

 

[69360]

This case is probably the most serious yet for Trump. I'm hearing that it may be difficult under Georgia law to be bailed out due to the seriousness of the charges and he could be held until trial. He can't be pardoned until 5 years are served. RICO laws are designed to make it easier to prove guilt against the leadership of criminal organization with a lower standard of proof.

 

[69360]

No but if your primary voters aren't particularly enthusiastic about the nominee, you're fk'ed. (but you already knew that).

90% or more of them always fall in line and vote party line in the general. Swing voters in the general are the one that matter and they are not going to go for Trump.

 

[TheTexan]

This case is probably the most serious yet for Trump. I'm hearing that it may be difficult under Georgia law to be bailed out due to the seriousness of the charges and he could be held until trial. He can't be pardoned until 5 years are served. RICO laws are designed to make it easier to prove guilt against the leadership of criminal organization with a lower standard of proof.

The seriousness of the charges

lol

 

[nobody's_hero]

90% or more of them always fall in line and vote party line in the general. Swing voters in the general are the one that matter and they are not going to go for Trump.

The recent polls show that half of those who currently poll for Trump would not support him if he has a conviction.

I think you may have some gaps somewhere. (granted, maybe the gap closes between now and 2024 but I think with all of the antics going on, the people who already support Trump unequivocally will only be hardened)

 

[Anti Federalist]

Do you indict someone who says things that make sense, like Ramaswamy or Massie, giving him free publicity and street cred? Or do you confer these things (as in, precious publicity and invaluable credibility) on your own controlled oppo puppet, by making a fake whipping boy out of him?

Snowden is in exile.

Assange will die in jail.

So will Stewart Rhodes.

And a hundred other politicals I can think of off the top of my head.

So yes, they do arrest people and thrown them in prison for saying things that make sense.

See? You aren't a professional in the psyop field in the twenty-first century, but even you can figure it out.

This is like arguing with my wife.

Not everything is a psyop.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

The enemies of ours, for whatever reason, real or imagined, consider Trump a threat.

Every day he is out there stump speaking or making smart remarks on the internet, drives them stark raving, barking dog, insane.

And I say good, we need more of that.

Maybe we can break their brains, or better yet, goad them into doing something so stupid and over the top that the American people finally snap out it and fight back.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"I think hate has driven so much of what's been going on, and this whole thing driven at Trump—uh, not that he's an easy person to defend—but, he didn't follow the status quo. He didn't follow the rules. And, uh, he really defied the people who wanted to establish what truth really is."

-Dr. Ron Paul
August 3, 2023

And that's all I'm saying as well.

 

[Anti Federalist]

He said the indictment is a sham. You said the indictment is a sham. I said the indictment is a sham. We're all in good company, as far as that goes. The target of a sham indictment can't be a plant?

If he's a "plant" as opposed to a "patsy", then what does he get out of the deal?

 

[TheTexan]

Every day he is out there stump speaking or making smart remarks on the internet, drives them stark raving, barking dog, insane.

And I say good, we need more of that.

Maybe we can break their brains, or better yet, goad them into doing something so stupid and over the top that the American people finally snap out it and fight back.

Yup.

 

[Dr.3D]

 

[familydog]

Speaking as a Republican,

Speaking as someone who sees the Republican Party as the enemy...

Trump has zero chance of winning the general election. He needs to step aside and allow the primary to happen without him and a viable candidate to advance to the general.

...I don't care. I'm still voting for Trump. If he ain't on the ballot, his name will be written in. What happens to the Republican Party is none of my concern.