Trump indictment #4: 2020 election RICO conspiracy [Fulton county GA]

[LatinsforPaul]

Trumps lawyers should be listening to Vivek...

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1691600744208544135?t=43IW2VPfyrHzStt5cWcaCw&s=19

 

[Anti Federalist]

Wanna bet? How big a budget can you give me? Give me Rupert Murdoch's payroll for one year and I'll get Biden impeached for you. Guaranteed. And no, I won't only use prima facie reasons that I believe in to do it with, Mr. Babe in the Woods.

I asked you before and I'm asking you again. What would Sun Tsu say about the way you are underestimating the enemy?

If our enemies are powerful enough to engage in a massive mind fuck, over one single person, over the course of fifty years, then we're fucking doomed.

Stop all this pretend nonsense that we can change a fucking thing, let's go get drunk and stoned and laid, before they release the bio-weapon virus that they are working on and kill every last fucking person on this rock.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It is amusing to think my vote could end up getting cast for a prison inmate. I cannot think of a finer indictment of this country.

Fucking right...or a fugitive in exile.

This whole thing would be hilarious, if it wasn't.

Venezuela 2.0

Enjoy your zoo animal steak comrade.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/fentasyl/status/1691648852967690341

 

[dannno]

This case is probably the most serious yet for Trump. I'm hearing that it may be difficult under Georgia law to be bailed out due to the seriousness of the charges and he could be held until trial. He can't be pardoned until 5 years are served. RICO laws are designed to make it easier to prove guilt against the leadership of criminal organization with a lower standard of proof.

Federal courts, including the Supreme Court, can overturn this.

It goes against the right of citizens to redress grievances, that's the first amendment in the Constitution. The Constitution also says that a President cannot be convicted of crimes that occurred during their term - the only remedy for that is impeachment and prosecution by the Senate.

 

[69360]

Federal courts, including the Supreme Court, can overturn this.

It goes against the right of citizens to redress grievances, that's the first amendment in the Constitution. The Constitution also says that a President cannot be convicted of crimes that occurred during their term - the only remedy for that is impeachment and prosecution by the Senate.

Another made up law in Trumpland? The truth is that it is legally untested and they were considering prosecuting Nixon while he was a sitting president. They decided that a SITTING president could not be proscuted. That isn't law, just a directive for DOJ. Nothing currently prevents a former president from being prosecuted after their term. Scotus already has ruled that presidents have qualified immunity, not absolute.

Sure Trumps lawyers could appeal but it would have to work it's way through the state and federal courts before reaching scotus, this takes years. You are talking about an old guy in probably not the best health already sitting in prison awaiting appeal. He would likely die first.

 

[acptulsa]

If our enemies are powerful enough to engage in a massive mind $#@!, over one single person, over the course of fifty years, then we're $#@!ing doomed.

Stop all this pretend nonsense that we can change a $#@!ing thing, let's go get drunk and stoned and laid, before they release the bio-weapon virus that they are working on and kill every last $#@!ing person on this rock.

What black pill bullshit is this?

They haven't been grooming Trump for fifty years just to sell RNA delivered by graphene nanotubes. Fifty years ago, they didn't yet know graphene would roll itself up in a tube.

You think they couldn't possibly have fooled your ass without working on the plan for half a century? Isn't that kind of arrogant?

All this bullshit over a cross between a third grade playground bully, Gerald Ford and a navel orange sure is distracting, isn't it? Like, have we all forgotten that they're accusing this puppet of their own crimes, which is a serious trend with them that ought not be allowed to continue?

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1691495600838053888

The Constitution is being used as toilet paper again and all I keep hearing is, what will become of Trump? Trump will be living in luxury as always. Who is stupid enough to worry about one silver spoon brat? What the fuck is about to become of us?

The Constitution also says that a President cannot be convicted of crimes that occurred during their term - the only remedy for that is impeachment and prosecution by the Senate.

Dude. Just, dude. Imma gonna call you Old Faithless, because you spew misinformation every ninety minutes like clockwork.

A trial can't take place during his term. He must leave or be removed from office before he can be tried. An ex president can be tried for any crime committed at any time, including during his term.

Get a grip. Nobody's doing yer orange buddy-ro any harm. We're the ones bent over, not him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/fentasyl/status/1691648852967690341

 

[acptulsa]

Talking about Trump makes you think of dick pics?

Funny thing. Me, too.

 

[Dryftco]

What black pill bull$#@! is this?

You think they couldn't possibly have fooled your ass without working on the plan for half a century? Isn't that kind of arrogant?

All this bull$#@! over a cross between a third grade playground bully, Gerald Ford and a navel orange sure is distracting, isn't it? Like, have we all forgotten that they're accusing this puppet of their own crimes, which is a serious trend with them that ought not be allowed to continue?

The Constitution is being used as toilet paper again and all I keep hearing is, what will become of Trump?

Get a grip. Nobody's doing yer orange buddy-ro any harm. We're the ones bent over, not him.

If your point is that "they" have been planning and plotting for 50 years and every major move that occurs at any political level is some kind of psyop, Anti Fed's blackpill point makes perfect sense. You're simultaneously saying that "it's all COINTELPRO/PSYOPs" but "don't be blackpilled bro!" It's logically inconsistent. Add to that the general inefficiency and incompetence of our government, and you're saying that they have been playing 5d chess for 50 years but also can't execute any kind of consistently successful policy. Oh wait, an ineffective government that the people hate and want to burn to the ground is also part of their devious master plan, I assume.

The main point isn't about Trump as a person, it's about what is happening to someone that openly bucks the establishment. If he is a plant and they are doing this to him, what chance do we have? If he isn't a plant and they are doing this to him, why are you so vehemently against any defense of him? It sounds a lot like you're saying, "Oh this guy said mean things on Twitter, he deserves to get fucked in the ass by an out of control uniparty establishment."

If a true libertarian (small l intentional) got into office without the billions of dollars in resources that Trump has access to, how in the hell do you think he would even be able to fend off criminal charges on such a monumental scale? This doesn't seem like a plant to me, this is desperation. The uniparty is going mask off because they feel they have no other option to keep Trump out of the White House again.

 

[Anti Federalist]

If your point is that "they" have been planning and plotting for 50 years and every major move that occurs at any political level is some kind of psyop, Anti Fed's blackpill point makes perfect sense. You're simultaneously saying that "it's all COINTELPRO/PSYOPs" but "don't be blackpilled bro!" It's logically inconsistent. Add to that the general inefficiency and incompetence of our government, and you're saying that they have been playing 5d chess for 50 years but also can't execute any kind of consistently successful policy. Oh wait, an ineffective government that the people hate and want to burn to the ground is also part of their devious master plan, I assume.

The main point isn't about Trump as a person, it's about what is happening to someone that openly bucks the establishment. If he is a plant and they are doing this to him, what chance do we have? If he isn't a plant and they are doing this to him, why are you so vehemently against any defense of him? It sounds a lot like you're saying, "Oh this guy said mean things on Twitter, he deserves to get fucked in the ass by an out of control uniparty establishment."

If a true libertarian (small l intentional) got into office without the billions of dollars in resources that Trump has access to, how in the hell do you think he would even be able to fend off a criminal charges on such a monumental scale? This doesn't seem like a plant to me, this is desperation. The uniparty is going mask off because they feel they have no other option to keep Trump out of the White House again.

Maybe he'll understand it coming from a different person.

If I had the energy to go through it all again, that is what I would have said myself.

+rep

 

[acptulsa]

If your point is that "they" have been planning and plotting for 50 years and every major move that occurs at any political level is some kind of psyop, Anti Fed's blackpill point makes perfect sense.

Whiskey.

Tango.

Foxtrot.

AF: They couldn't have used Trump in a psyop without grooming him for it for fifty years.

Me: Don't be ridiculous.

Draft: If you're saying they had to groom Trump for fifty years just to use him in a psyop, that's ridiculous and AF is right.

AF: That's what I'm saying!

Don't we have enough trouble with progs accusing us of what they did, without doing it to each other?

AF, arguing with you is like arguing with your wife.

 

[nobody's_hero]

If your point is that "they" have been planning and plotting for 50 years and every major move that occurs at any political level is some kind of psyop, Anti Fed's blackpill point makes perfect sense. You're simultaneously saying that "it's all COINTELPRO/PSYOPs" but "don't be blackpilled bro!" It's logically inconsistent. Add to that the general inefficiency and incompetence of our government, and you're saying that they have been playing 5d chess for 50 years but also can't execute any kind of consistently successful policy. Oh wait, an ineffective government that the people hate and want to burn to the ground is also part of their devious master plan, I assume.

The main point isn't about Trump as a person, it's about what is happening to someone that openly bucks the establishment. If he is a plant and they are doing this to him, what chance do we have? If he isn't a plant and they are doing this to him, why are you so vehemently against any defense of him? It sounds a lot like you're saying, "Oh this guy said mean things on Twitter, he deserves to get $#@!ed in the ass by an out of control uniparty establishment."

If a true libertarian (small l intentional) got into office without the billions of dollars in resources that Trump has access to, how in the hell do you think he would even be able to fend off criminal charges on such a monumental scale? This doesn't seem like a plant to me, this is desperation. The uniparty is going mask off because they feel they have no other option to keep Trump out of the White House again.

Pretty much the same argument I've made on the forums over the years. We're pretty bad about going so far down rabbit holes we come out the other side. Tail-chasing. The elites probably laugh at us, if they pay any attention at all, because we tend to psych ourselves out. The funny thing is, as long as it's a theory we personally come up with, it makes perfectly valid sense. All other theories are null and void.

It is somewhat re-affirming that someone who hasn't been active on the forums returns with the same conclusion that myself, and some others here reached, even though we probably spend too much time here. Kinda shows what this whole thing looks like to the casual observer (perhaps not the best phrasing), and not just those who are in echo chambers. (which, if I am to be 100% honest, this place has become in some ways)

I often wonder if the Boston Tea Party happened today, we'd be the guys running around in the background exclaiming that it was all just a COINTELPRO ploy by King George III to ensnare patriots.

At some point, you have to take things at face value or you'll end up paralyzed by uncertainty.

 

[acptulsa]

Pretty much the same argument I've made on the forums over the years. We're pretty bad about going so far down rabbit holes we come out the other side. Tail-chasing.

Sure. We're a bunch of nutcases. Like that whole "the vax is Bill Gates designer RNA in graphene nanotubes as spike substitutes and it could kill millions" thing. What a tinfoil fest.

Some of you people.

The politicians are our enemies and the media's a joke! Why aren't the real men standing up and stamping it out? I don't understand why people don't just nip communism in the bud.

We can't go after our enemy the politicians because these wetbacks, women and sissy fagggots hate us and will attack our flank!

You can't attack that Swamp Creature! The MSM says he's my personal Swamp Creature, and if I thought different I'd be all heartbroken and shit, and that would be a black pill. No black pills!

People aren't really evil enough to conspire like that, are they? Maybe we imagined the whole thing. Do we wear tinfoil hats?

The politicians are our enemies and the media's a joke! Why aren't the real men standing up and stamping it out? I don't understand why people don't just nip communism in the bud.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Sure. We're a bunch of nutcases. Like that whole "the vax is Bill Gates designer RNA in graphene nanotubes as spike substitutes and it could kill millions" thing. What a tinfoil fest.

Some of you people.

Who said anything about taking the vaccine at face value? I'm not talking about what the establishment does. I'm talking about what patriots do.

"There's no resistance except US. Only we can be the true resistance and anything done by everyone else is a fraud." <<<< that is what I'm referring to. We aren't the only ones in this struggle. Sure, maybe some are closer to the mark than others, but it doesn't make their efforts any less valid.

Now I can completely understand if someone has already pinned Trump to the establishment, why they would be wary of what is going on. But, not everyone subscribes to that. I actually went back and forth over the years. I *DID NOT* vote for Trump in 2016. I *DID* vote for Trump in 2020. (unrelated: I still think it's odd that my mother who hadn't voted in 20 years went out and voted for Trump the one year I sat an election out)

Why?

Because my weighing of the situation and likelihood of what is true/false was in flux over the years, and put me at this conclusion (which is mine, you don't have to agree, and I already know you don't):

Trump was, and still is, a greater benefit than detriment, particularly when calling out the 'fake news' (the same fake news that ruined Ron's campaign in 2008-2012, so yeah, there's a vendetta in there). He's also doing a pretty darn good job of exposing the two-tiered system of justice. Now, whether you think this is all a big act or not, is rather irrelevant to the outcome if it changes people's perceptions of the DOJ and the MSM for the better.

So if I have to use Trump (and yes, we can use him, as much as he uses us) to chisel away at the fake news some more (which still for whatever god-forsaken reason still has too much credibility), I will not hesitate to do so.

If I'm wrong, I haven't lost anything because the state was going to expand anyway. If I'm right, score one point for the little guy.

 

[Dryftco]

Trump was, and still is, a greater benefit than detriment, particularly when calling out the 'fake news' (the same fake news that ruined Ron's campaign in 2008-2012, so yeah, there's a vendetta in there). He's also doing a pretty darn good job of exposing the two-tiered system of justice. Now, whether you think this is all a big act or not, is rather irrelevant to the outcome if it changes people's perceptions of the DOJ and the MSM for the better.

This is where I've landed as well, and stated better than I could myself. I know a lot of people that were pretty politically beaten-down and either abstaining or voting for their third party candidate of choice until Trump came along. He's incredibly flawed, but he's also the first chance most of us have had to not just give the establishment the finger, but to piss in their Cheerios.

 

[acptulsa]

Who said anything about taking the vaccine at face value?

Nobody. You were questioning our track record. We're batting better than .800.

... (which is mine, you don't have to agree, and I already know you don't):

Trump was, and still is, a greater benefit than detriment, particularly when calling out the 'fake news' (the same fake news that ruined Ron's campaign in 2008, so yeah, there's a vendetta in there). He's also doing a pretty darn good job of exposing the two-tiered system of justice. Now, whether you think this is all a big act or not, is rather irrelevant to the outcome if it changes people's perceptions of the DOJ for the better.

So if I have to use Trump (and yes, we can use him, as much as he uses us) to chisel away at the fake news some more (which still for whatever god-forsaken reason still has too much credibility), I will not hesitate to do so.

Disagree isn't exactly the right word.

Yes, of course The Narrative needs to be pushed back against. The problem with sitting back and letting Trump do it is, he's a lightning rod just dissipating righteousness to ground.

Where are his solutions? Does he see why we need sound money? Peace? Local control of our road projects, our schools, our hard-earned dollars? Is he talking about any of these things? Or is he just stirring the pot and adding to his victim card collection, and convincing conservatives there's no way out?

That's why he is He Who Must Be Named. Get him to say the name Mises three times in a single week, and suddenly he will truly remind you of Ron Paul. Donald Who?

Got use for him? He's got the attention, but he's not very cooperative. I haven't seen him let us make really good use of him yet.

Collecting victim cards and stirring the pot, without an idea or a principle in a carload of tweets. I don't see how he's really helping us. All he's doing is sucking so much of the oxygen out of the room that Rand Paul decided to sit this one out.

The man is so obviously a Democrat in so many ways. How often have you heard socialists say, oh, the system isn't the problem, it'll work if we just put the right guy in charge of it? Is that a conservative message? Well, don't look now, but it's the only message I've ever heard out of Trump or many of his fans.

So you like the way MSM editors say to their "reporters", here's something Trump said. Splode your pointed heads over it. But you don't believe me when I say that you're intended to enjoy it. And they crossed a circus with bread and invented the pacifier.

 

[Dryftco]

Where are his solutions? Does he see why we need sound money? Peace? Local control of our road projects, our schools, our hard-earned dollars? Is he talking about any of these things? Or is he just stirring the pot and adding to his victim card collection, and convincing conservatives there's no way out?

That's why he is He Who Must Be Named. Get him to say the name Mises three times in a single week, and suddenly he will truly remind you of Ron Paul. Donald Who?

This is why there is so much stagnation amongst libertarian-minded individuals. The insane purity testing is almost impossible to beat. Look how long it took for someone like Ron Paul to show up. I know some people here have been arguing against Rand over the years too because he isn't a carbon copy of his dad and has made some missteps. Any improvement and increased awareness is better than nothing. Incrementalism is how you change the sentiment of the people, it rarely radically changes overnight.

It sounds like what you're getting at is, "This restaurant has some dishes with mushrooms and I HATE mushrooms. I will never eat there."

The man is so obviously a Democrat in so many ways. How often have you heard socialists say, oh, the system isn't the problem, it'll work if we just put the right guy in charge of it? Is that a conservative message? Well, don't look now, but it's the only message I've ever heard out of Trump or many of his fans.

I have never heard a Trump fan say the system would work if only we had Trump, and I live in a county that went 80% for Trump in 2020. Most of them want to torch the whole damn thing, doubly so now that the two-tiered system of justice is plainly on display.

 

[Snowball]

Nobody. You were questioning our track record. We're batting better than .800.



Disagree isn't exactly the right word.

Yes, of course The Narrative needs to be pushed back against. The problem with sitting back and letting Trump do it is, he's a lightning rod just dissipating righteousness to ground.

Where are his solutions? Does he see why we need sound money? Peace? Local control of our road projects, our schools, our hard-earned dollars? Is he talking about any of these things? Or is he just stirring the pot and adding to his victim card collection, and convincing conservatives there's no way out?

That's why he is He Who Must Be Named. Get him to say the name Mises three times in a single week, and suddenly he will truly remind you of Ron Paul. Donald Who?

Got use for him? He's got the attention, but he's not very cooperative. I haven't seen him let us make really good use of him yet.

Collecting victim cards and stirring the pot, without an idea or a principle in a carload of tweets. I don't see how he's really helping us. All he's doing is sucking so much of the oxygen out of the room that Rand Paul decided to sit this one out.

The man is so obviously a Democrat in so many ways. How often have you heard socialists say, oh, the system isn't the problem, it'll work if we just put the right guy in charge of it? Is that a conservative message? Well, don't look now, but it's the only message I've ever heard out of Trump or many of his fans.

They f'd him over and stole the election, and they will try to steal another, and wage lawfare against him for a reason.

One of those reasons is that they KNOW - somehow - that his second term would be substantially different than his first.

And that scares them.

 

[nobody's_hero]

The problem with sitting back and letting Trump do it is, he's a lightning rod just dissipating righteousness to ground.

Then stop believing that. (easier said than done, especially when being bombarded with that narrative from liberal, conservative, and libertarian circles)

I don't believe it.

Is he an attention whore?

Yes.

Is this an issue that needs attention?

Yes.

Done.

You don't really have to analyze it any deeper than that. Irrelevant to the outcome. You can analyze it deeper if you want to, but you'll end up chasing your tail.