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Trump indictment #4: 2020 election RICO conspiracy [Fulton county GA]

Does anyone still think Trump is going to be found not guilty in all these cases and be a viable candidate? It's time for him to step aside.
Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.
 
Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.

That would have happened if Jeb! had won in 2016.

If you really wanted to go back to making republicans "electable" you'd have to go all the way back to 2007 and convince Ron Paul not to run, because he started the disunity. (thank God)
 
Trump won't step aside until he completes his mission of destroying the GOP and making them unelectable from here on out. It's the whole reason why the Democrats told him to infiltrate the GOP in the first place.

It's also the real reason I think for J6. He didn't expect the States legislatures to change anything, I didn't either. He didn't expect Pence to do anything like Trump said, Trump already knew he wouldn't and Pence is a straight arrow.

Trump did it so he could get as many Republicans as possible to support it in a vote and then get them all removed in the most embarrassing mess possible. And some of them were going to vote for it. And Trump controlled all those federal agents infiltrating the crowd. He was the executive.

Mike Pence, Thomas Massie and Rand Paul were right not to go along with it -
it was a setup to damage conservatives by Trump.
 
Is that your best strategy for fighting dictatorial regimes?

Dislike for Trump doesn't equal support for Biden. They are equally awful and both head mafia style crime families in my opinion.

LOL.

I intend to vote for the guy even if he's in Russian exile with Ed.

Seems like another throwaway vote. I'm guilty of that too in the past.

I think what's more likely to happen is that the democrats consolidate the establishment's power by getting rid of Trump, and someone like Pence or Chris Christie will get in and we'll lose about 15 years of progress in trying to put the neocons on the backfoot.

I can't really see that as a gain, and I would not be content with that, personally.

Christie and Pence don't have the support to ever be the nominee.
 
10 more indictments for Trump and co. He is not electable, it's time for all this to end.
 
Dislike for Trump doesn't equal support for Biden. They are equally awful and both head mafia style crime families in my opinion.

How are they equal if Trump has the full force of the DOJ and intel agencies fighting against him while they are protecting Biden?

Trump earned his money in the market, Biden got all his from foreign bribes.

Doesn't sound equal to me, at all...
 
Christie and Pence don't have the support to ever be the nominee.

Nothing a few hundred thousand democrat primary crossovers can't fix. Especially when you consider how many disgusted MAGA voters will probably stay home if Trump is stripped of ballot access. ("Yay we saved democracy!" lol)

You don't think Christie and Pence have a purpose to the left? MSNBC interviews Christie every chance they get. And their audience cheers that fat-ass warmonger (strange world it is these days). I'd be a bit worried for DeSantis if I were you, because they definitely won't be crossing over to vote for him given the media coverage he's been getting on the MSN homepage.

Or do you still think they're just gonna give up after Trump is out of the picture?
 
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How are they equal if Trump has the full force of the DOJ and intel agencies fighting against him while they are protecting Biden?

Trump earned his money in the market, Biden got all his from foreign bribes.

Doesn't sound equal to me, at all...

First off Trump inherited all his money from his daddy. Second off his businesses performed so poorly he would had a better return just investing his inheritance in an S&P 500 fund.

They threw out Hunter's plea deal and appointed a special prosecutor. The Biden crime family will get what is coming eventually. They won't be in power forever. Same as Trump isn't now and isn't protected.



More like time to begin.

Begin what? Getting more useful idiots thrown in prison? More old men killed by the FBI? People who follow trumpism have a bad habit of ending up in jail or dead.

Nothing a few hundred thousand democrat primary crossovers can't fix. Especially when you consider how many disgusted MAGA voters will probably stay home if Trump is stripped of ballot access. ("Yay we saved democracy!" lol)

You don't think Christie and Pence have a purpose to the left? MSNBC interviews Christie every chance they get. And their audience cheers that fat-ass warmonger (strange world it is these days). I'd be a bit worried for DeSantis if I were you, because they definitely won't be crossing over to vote for him given the media coverage he's been getting on the MSN homepage.

Or do you still think they're just gonna give up after Trump is out of the picture?

The recent polls show that half of those who currently poll for Trump would not support him if he has a conviction. Which is a certainty at this point if he doesn't die first. The guy is old, overweight and has to be under immense stress.
 
The recent polls show that half of those who currently poll for Trump would not support him if he has a conviction. Which is a certainty at this point if he doesn't die first. The guy is old, overweight and has to be under immense stress.

Well, maybe half is enough.

Or maybe it won't be.

I'd vote for DeSantis if he came out on top in a primary where he actually competed for votes. But, if he's content to just sit back and let some liberal DA in Atlanta get rid of his political opposition for him . . . well, I reckon I'd stay home. That, to me, would be fairly indicative that DeSantis is working with the left.

At least Ramaswamy is speaking out against these farcical indictments, calling it like it is. Probably why he pulled ahead of DeSantis recently. (I suppose he'll start hitting Ramaswamy on his citizenship and eligibility, which leaves . . . Pence, Christie, Haley, —oof. They might have a chance actually.)

FWIW, I'd still be jealous of you, because your governor would still be better than mine and you'd at least get to keep him 2 more years.

To be clear, no one prosecuting Trump actually gives a shit what Trump did, they just hope they can manage to show he did something so they can proceed with their primary intention of keeping him off the ballot. They know the sentence they want, they just need to find charges. Kinda backwards IMO but that's just me.
 
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indictmennt (PDF file): https://www.fultonclerk.org/DocumentCenter/View/2077/CRIMINAL-INDICTMENT


Trump, 18 allies indicted in Georgia over 2020 election meddling, the 4th criminal case against him
https://apnews.com/article/trump-ge...-jury-willis-d39562cedfc60d64948708de1b011ed3
Kate Brumback & Eric Tucker (14 August 2023)

ATLANTA (AP) — Donald Trump and 18 allies were indicted in Georgia on Monday with scheming to overturn his 2020 election loss in the state, with prosecutors turning to a statute normally associated with mobsters to accuse the former president, lawyers and other top aides in a sweeping criminal conspiracy aimed at keeping him in power.

The 97-page indictment details dozens of acts by Trump and his allies to undo his defeat in the battleground state, including hectoring Georgia’s Republican secretary of state to find enough votes to keep him power, pestering officials with bogus claims of voter fraud and attempting to persuade Georgia lawmakers to ignore the will of voters and appoint a new slate of electoral college electors favorable to Trump. It also outlines a scheme to tampering with voting machines in one Georgia county and steal data.

“Trump and the other Defendants charged in this Indictment refused to accept that Trump lost, and they knowingly and willfully joined conspiracy to unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of Trump,” says the indictment issued Monday night by the office of Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

Other defendants included former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows; Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani; and a Trump administration Justice Department official, Jeffrey Clark, who advanced his efforts to undo his election loss in Georgia. Multiple other lawyers who devised legally dubious ideas aimed at overturning the results, including John Eastman, Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro, were also charged.

Willis said the defendants would be allowed to voluntarily surrender by noon Aug. 25. She also said she plans to ask for a trial date within six months.

The document describes the former president of the United States, the former White House chief of staff, Trump’s attorneys and the former mayor of New York as members of a “criminal organization” who were part of an “enterprise” that operated in Georgia and other states -- language that conjures up the operations of mob bosses and gang leaders.

The indictment bookends a remarkable crush of criminal cases — four in five months, each in a different city — that would be daunting for anyone, never mind a defendant simultaneously running for president.

It comes just two weeks after the Justice Department special counsel charged him in a vast conspiracy to overturn the election, underscoring how prosecutors after lengthy investigations that followed the Jan. 6, 2021 riot at the U.S. Capitol have now, two-and-a-half years later, taken steps to hold Trump to account for an assault on the underpinnings of American democracy.

The sprawling web of defendants in the Georgia case — 19 in total — stands apart from the more tightly targeted case brought by special counsel Jack Smith, which so far only names Trump as a defendant.

The Georgia case also stands out because, unlike the two federal prosecutions he faces, Trump would not have the opportunity to try to pardon himself if elected president or to control the outcome by appointing an attorney general who could theoretically make it go away.

As indictments mount, Trump — the leading Republican candidate for president in 2024 — often invokes his distinction as the only former president to face criminal charges. He is campaigning and fundraising around these themes, portraying himself as the victim of Democratic prosecutors out to get him.

Republican allies once again quickly rallied to Trump’s defense. “Americans see through this desperate sham,” House Speaker Kevin McCarthy wrote on the platform formerly known as Twitter.

The counts against Trump include violating the state’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, or RICO, act as well as other crimes such as conspiracy to commit forgery and conspiracy to commit false statements.

The indictment charges Trump with making false statements and writings for a series of claims he made to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and other state election officials on Jan. 2, 2021, including that up to 300,000 ballots “were dropped mysteriously into the rolls” in the 2020 election, that more than 4,500 people voted who weren’t on registration lists and that a Fulton County election worker, Ruby Freeman, was a “professional vote scammer.”

The indictment also mentions the now infamous Dec. 18, 2020, session in the Oval Office, where Trump allies including Sidney Powell and Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser, proposed ordering the military to seize voting machines and appoint a special prosecutor to investigate allegations of voter fraud in Georgia and other crucial states Trump had lost.

Prosecutors say the meeting at the White House, which included Giuliani, was part of an effort to “influence the outcome” of the election. Days later, prosecutors say, Meadows traveled to Cobb County and attempted to observe a signature match audit being performed “despite the fact that the process was not open to the public.” Several state officials prevented the then-chief of staff from entering the prohibited area.
 
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Prosecuting a person for what they have said and done will soon be old school.

Soon you will be prosecuted for what you allegedly think or thought. There will be no need to question the intent of spoken words.

Follow the Science!

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear!

Next!
 
First off Trump inherited all his money from his daddy. Second off his businesses performed so poorly he would had a better return just investing his inheritance in an S&P 500 fund.

When are you going to stop believing left-wing bullshit propaganda? Especially if it's related to Trump.. Everything you just said is total horse shit.

Based on these assumptions, the net result is that Donald Trump’s net worth would have increased from $40 million in 1974 to $782 million in 2017 if his investments had performed in line with the S&P 500. This is significantly lower than the $2 to $4 billion range from the Vox article.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...ritance-in-a-good-equity-fund-and-let-it-grow

They threw out Hunter's plea deal and appointed a special prosecutor. The Biden crime family will get what is coming eventually. They won't be in power forever. Same as Trump isn't now and isn't protected.

So why are they going through such great lengths to protect him in the meantime?

Because they only need him as long as they need him. Biden is completely disposable, when they feel the time is right, just like all of their other puppets. Biden is not the one in charge.
 
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The walls are closing in on Trump. He is either going to die in prison or somehow go into exile.
 
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