Torture?

[Dr.3D]

A couple million to blow on hookers and coke can't make up for 30 years behind bars. Or can it...?

Better than being dead.

 

[Suzanimal]

A couple million to blow on hookers and coke can't make up for 30 years behind bars. Or can it...?

I don't even think Danke would spend 30 years in prison for millions to spend on hookers and coke.

 

[Dr.3D]

I don't even think Danke would spend 30 years in prison for millions to spend on hookers and coke.

One has to wonder.

 

[wizardwatson]

What's ironic is we torture for intelligence. And the people who are most for torture are the ones who have gathered all that intelligence and come to the conclusion that "they attack us for our freedoms".

How about we don't torture because it's wrong, and Trump and Cruz borrow Rudy Guiliani's reading list from Ron Paul, about why they attacked us.

And to call themselves Christians, too. I mean "war" is certainly a thing a Christian nation can find itself in, but sorry, torture does not fit into that paradigm at all. To even condone it, shows an extreme lack of faith.

 

[LukeR]

I don't even think Danke would spend 30 years in prison for millions to spend on hookers and coke.

Danke doesn't pay, they pay him.

(I don't actually know Danke, so I can't vouch for the veracity of that statement)

 

[otherone]

Luctor, I hadn't thought of it like that before.

It would seem true that my original thoughts on this would put efficiency over morality.

It's not about morality, it's about Liberty. What authority do you possess to violate the Rights of another person?

 

[spudea]

What do you do when there is evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?

Either way, evil remains.

Think of all of your heroes, the ideal people that we strive to be, and ask yourself if they would torture anyone.

Jesus
MLK
Ghandi

Superman
Batman
Captain America

The answer is no in every case. People have been fighting evil since the beginning, and have found ways to stop it without torture. You have to keep looking and try a lot harder and convince more people that there is always another way.

 

[Kotin]

Rand supports using drones as well.

Lol okay nothing in that article mentions anything about Rand supporting the current drone warfare program that has killed countless innocents. This mentions that he thinks drone tech can have value in warfare which is not even close to what you are trying to use that article to suggest.

Fail.

 

[LukeR]

Lol okay nothing in that article mentions anything about Rand supporting the current drone warfare program that has killed countless innocents. This mentions that he thinks drone tech can have value in warfare which is not even close to what you are trying to use that article to suggest.

Fail.

Cruz sounds pretty much exactly like Rand here:

Like Paul, Ted Cruz supports the use of drones for targeted killings except in cases where the target is a U.S. citizen. Cruz has also raised concerns about the impact of drone warfare on foreign policy decisions.

In March, 2013, during a hearing with then-Attorney General Eric Holder, Cruz pressed Holder to say whether it would be constitutional for the U.S. government to conduct a lethal drone strike on a U.S. citizen suspected of being a terrorist (Holder’s response was that it would not). Shortly after, Sen. Cruz joined Sen. Paul in proposing an amendment (to a government spending bill) prohibiting targeted drone strikes against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, unless that person is about to inflict “serious bodily injury” on another person. The amendment didn’t pass.


In response to a question at a Foreign Policy Initiative event in December of last year, Cruz outlined his position on drones in greater detail: “Drones, it seems to me, are a tool. They are a tool that can have beneficial impacts in particular allowing us to project force without risking U.S. soldiers. But there are dangers as well. I am concerned, A, domestically, about the use of drones here at home.” Cruz continued, “I’m worried about what I would call video game warfare,” adding, “it’s cleaner and more antiseptic and I worry from a national security standpoint, just how much intelligence we’re losing if someone is in fact a serious terrorist, a terrorist leader, there are serious benefits if it is possible to apprehend that individual, and interrogating, finding out what else they’re working with, what plans are in place, who their contacts are…When you send a drone out, and just push a button, both of those benefits are lost. So I think we need to have a lot more thinking on the proper use of drones as a tool in warfare.”

http://dronecenter.bard.edu/presidential-candidates-on-drones/

 

[CPUd]

Cruz stands with Dick Cheney on waterboarding:

 

[idiom]

Even though torture is pretty much pointless, especially since the methods the US uses are better for brainwashing than truth extraction, let us entertain the possibility of an immediate threat of a grievous nature where torture is the only solution, such as extracting the location of an armed nuclear bomb within a populated area.

Once the torture is executed, and the bomb disarmed, everybody from the torturer on up to the President should immediately report to prison.

You break a law defending the law, your call. You still broke it, you still go to jail. Maybe a hero, but still a criminal.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

An interesting article, and a reminder that not all political figures are always wrong or bad:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ory-supports-mccains-stance-on-waterboarding/