Trump's Hate Speech Will Get You Deported EO

[wizardwatson]

I honestly did not believe this was substantive when I first read the Tweet.

I even skimmed over the EO's, and didn't see anything jump out, but then I re-checked the Tweet and he links this one:

PROTECTING THE UNITED STATES FROM FOREIGN TERRORISTS AND OTHER
NATIONAL SECURITY AND PUBLIC SAFETY THREATS

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...rnational-security-and-public-safety-threats/

From the text:

Section 1. Policy and Purpose. (a) It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from aliens who intend to commit terrorist attacks, threaten our national security, espouse hateful ideology, or otherwise exploit the immigration laws for malevolent purposes.

To be fair, there is some direct deportation language, but it's directed at countries with lax screening processes and aliens who were admitted in the last four years (during Biden's reign). Also, it is just an EO, and I'm not sure how much of the law supports this EO.

But it does leave the door open for basically anyone who says anything the U.S. doesn't like, or rhetoric supporting "terrorist organizations". That list grows by the minute and includes Hamas, and now the Houthis.

So if you just married your pen pal from England, she moves over here with you. You've been living together a while, she's got her permanent resident card, then one day she retweets a pro-Palestinian post with an added quote "F$%# Israel", well, this EO would be a foundation for sending her back. This is just a step away from where England is, with our citizens getting jail time for "supporting terrorists".

When you pair this EO with the Tik Tok saga, it's very clear that this looks great on the surface (we don't want to import terrorists!) it also can work the other way (do not disparage the terrorists America does support).

American's are trained like dogs to hate the Chinese, but they will brand social credit to fit our American egos and my gut says we'll love it way more than the Chinese. It will just be private and crypto based. Crypto for climate snitching. Crypto credits for flagging mean posts. Instead of authoritarian government edicts, you'll have squads of individuals working for private interests, but it will be the same thing.

 

[jmdrake]

Deport Elon Musk for hating Steve Bannon.

 

[unknown]

Deport deez nutz.

 

[wizardwatson]

More pro-Israel anti-free speech nonsense from the chosen one.

 

[A. Havnes]

The Israelis are our true masters. I don’t know exactly how we got here, though. Religious fervor turned policy and exploited by Israel? Our one fledgling but increasingly interventionist foreign policy being in desperate need of allies in the Middle East?

I don’t know, but for whatever reason the Jews are untouchable by our government’s measure. I didn’t expect Trump to be any different, but this is an extreme infringement of the First Amendment.

 

[TheTexan]

but this is an extreme infringement of the First Amendment.

Is it though, constitutional rights don't necessarily apply to illegals

 

[A. Havnes]

Is it though, constitutional rights don't necessarily apply to illegals

There are two things to take into consideration:

1. The way I read this EO is that it applies to more than illegals. It sounds like green card holders and visa holders can be deported, too.

2. The rights outlined in the Bill of Rights apply to all people, regardless of nationality. They are natural rights, not privileges. They were put there, in the Constitution, not to say that these rights were for American citizens but that they were given by God to all people and our government was simply being the first to acknowledge them as inviolate. As such, even illegals have the right to freedom of speech.

 

[wizardwatson]

Is it though, constitutional rights don't necessarily apply to illegals

While this thread is about non-citizens, the recent EO is not. It applies to Americans as well.

It builds upon Trump's 2019 EO 13899 linked here:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13899-combating-anti-semitism

As Michael points out, the EO from 2019 uses the "International Holocaust Rememberance Alliance" definition of anti-semitism. From the EO text:

Sec. 2. Ensuring Robust Enforcement of Title VI. (a) In enforcing Title VI, and identifying evidence of discrimination based on race, color, or national origin, all executive departments and agencies (agencies) charged with enforcing Title VI shall consider the following:

(i) the non-legally binding working definition of anti-Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities"; and

(ii) the "Contemporary Examples of Anti-Semitism" identified by the IHRA, to the extent that any examples might be useful as evidence of discriminatory intent.

What are these IHRA "Contemporary Examples". Well, here is the link:

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

From the link:

...

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
• Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

...

What Michael correctly points out, is that this could be used to file criminal hate speech charges against American college students who, for example, say that "Israel is acting like Hitler killing all those Palestinians".

Now, to be fair, I think the main issue Trump originally highlighted is that these protests were literally blocking people from attending class. To me this is simply a police matter involving unlawful assembly. It is appropriate to remove these types of protests. However, the EO is trying to leverage Title VI of the civil rights act which reads:

"No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

But the purpose of the antisemitic EO is not to break up a protest but to criminally prosecute a specific kind of protest, not just one that "prohibits access to government services", in fact that isn't even mentioned other than the allusion to the 2019 EO.

Consider Brown vs. Board of Education. Is the solution to force the adminstrators to take care of the problem and integrate the school or should Eisenhower have issued an EO calling for the prosecution of any college kid who used the N-word?

Anyway, point is Trump is a divisive shill just like the presidents he pretends to hate.

 

[TheTexan]

2. The rights outlined in the Bill of Rights apply to all people, regardless of nationality. They are natural rights, not privileges. They were put there, in the Constitution, not to say that these rights were for American citizens but that they were given by God to all people and our government was simply being the first to acknowledge them as inviolate. As such, even illegals have the right to freedom of speech.

Source?

 

[TheTexan]

Anyway, point is Trump is a divisive shill just like the presidents he pretends to hate.

That's what I like most about him

 

[CCTelander]

Source?

Oh, I don’t know. Some guy named Tom something is said to have once written something like, “We hold these truths to be self-evident,that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…”

Certainly, all the rights enshrined within the BoR would fall under the broad umbrella of “liberty.”

If you believe that guy Tom, anyway.

 

[TheTexan]

Oh, I don’t know. Some guy named Tom something is said to have once written something like, “We hold these truths to be self-evident,that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness…”

Certainly, all the rights enshrined within the BoR would fall under the broad umbrella of “liberty.”

If you believe that guy Tom, anyway.

Is that the same Tom that said we should just naturalize everyone who wants to be naturalized?

Maybe we should be a bit more skeptical of what that sketchy Tom guy says.

The only inalienable right I recognize is the right to secede. All other rights derive from it. Everything else (including free speech and even the 2A) is a privilege.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Anything that gets America hating foreigners deported can't be all bad.

 

[Swordsmyth]

There are two things to take into consideration:

1. The way I read this EO is that it applies to more than illegals. It sounds like green card holders and visa holders can be deported, too.

Good.

2. The rights outlined in the Bill of Rights apply to all people, regardless of nationality. They are natural rights, not privileges. They were put there, in the Constitution, not to say that these rights were for American citizens but that they were given by God to all people and our government was simply being the first to acknowledge them as inviolate. As such, even illegals have the right to freedom of speech.

They apply to all people in their own countries, if you weren't born here then being here is a privilege, at least until we grant citizenship.

We have a right to kick them all out for any or no reason, and whether you like Israel or not (there's good reason not to), the people that are going to get deported hate America as much or more and we should throw them out.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

While this thread is about non-citizens, the recent EO is not. It applies to Americans as well.

It builds upon Trump's 2019 EO 13899 linked here:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13899-combating-anti-semitism

As Michael points out, the EO from 2019 uses the "International Holocaust Rememberance Alliance" definition of anti-semitism. From the EO text:



What are these IHRA "Contemporary Examples". Well, here is the link:

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

From the link:



What Michael correctly points out, is that this could be used to file criminal hate speech charges against American college students who, for example, say that "Israel is acting like Hitler killing all those Palestinians".

Now, to be fair, I think the main issue Trump originally highlighted is that these protests were literally blocking people from attending class. To me this is simply a police matter involving unlawful assembly. It is appropriate to remove these types of protests. However, the EO is trying to leverage Title VI of the civil rights act which reads:



But the purpose of the antisemitic EO is not to break up a protest but to criminally prosecute a specific kind of protest, not just one that "prohibits access to government services", in fact that isn't even mentioned other than the allusion to the 2019 EO.

Consider Brown vs. Board of Education. Is the solution to force the adminstrators to take care of the problem and integrate the school or should Eisenhower have issued an EO calling for the prosecution of any college kid who used the N-word?

Anyway, point is Trump is a divisive shill just like the presidents he pretends to hate.

That line from the is comical...

Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

CNN has mostly several some known Jewish reporters and journalists..
No one is saying Jews control the media but you cant deny that there are wealthy Jews with certain connections in the media..

I see Trump wants to defend Soros

 

[wizardwatson]

That line from the is comical...



CNN has mostly several some known Jewish reporters and journalists..
No one is saying Jews control the media but you cant deny that there are wealthy Jews with certain connections in the media..

I see Trump wants to defend Soros

Chapelle had a monologue on SNL in 2022. One of my favorite lines from it was:

“This is a rule. You know the rules of perception: if they’re black then it’s a gang, if they’re Italian it’s a mob, but if they’re Jewish it’s a coincidence and you should never speak about it.”

The whole monologue is great, he talks about the subject right out the gate. It was around the time Kanye got in trouble for his "rabid antisemitism".

Here's a link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw4OapDkniA

 

[Brian4Liberty]

CLIP from SYSTEM UPDATE #399:

Trump's Executive Order to Deport Student Pro-Palestinian Protesters with Visas Explained

https://x.com/SystemUpdate_/status/1884988287137276334

 

[Invisible Man]

I won't deny that it I would get a kick out of the irony if AF got deported.

 

[acptulsa]

Anything that gets America hating foreigners deported can't be all bad.

You don't care if they hate America or not. Trump only throws them out if they speak against Israel, and because that's your cult leader, that's what you care about too.

 

[Swordsmyth]

You don't care if they hate America or not. Trump only throws them out if they speak against Israel, and because that's your cult leader, that's what you care about too.

LOL

Cry harder, America hater.