Thomas Massie, forum member & elected official, is running a winnable race; let's help!

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Rand listened to those that new better, and he won. Elections are about winning, not being an internet liberty-champion. Let the votes speak for themselves. Rand Paul isn't perfect, but he's a hell of lot better than Mitch's boy would have been. The part of Kentucky Massie will be running in was perhaps the strongest region for Rand Paul, so it's ripe for a liberty-based candidate. I'll be donating!

P.S. The Penny Plan might not impress Ron Paul supporters, but mainstream voters eat-it-up.
 
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Rand listened to those that new better, and he won. Elections are about winning, not being an internet liberty-champion. Let the votes speak for themselves. Rand Paul isn't perfect, but he's a hell of lot better than Mitch's boy would have been. The part of Kentucky Massie will be running in was perhaps the strongest region for Rand Paul, so it's ripe for a liberty-based candidate. I'll be donating!

P.S. The Penny Plan might not impress Ron Paul supporters, but mainstream voters eat-it-up.

I trust this poster over all other posters and think they should run for office.
 
By the way, I stood by Rand and supported him, because I had, what I felt, were good enough reasons to believe him to be genuinely libertarian. There was a treasury of letters to the editor, speeches, and statements backing that up, as well as actions such as forming the alternative Ophthalmologist certification association, as well as the long personal family association and unreserved endorsement of Ron Paul. There was a risk, but we will always have that risk, no matter how much and how convincingly the person says they agree with us, as shown in the cases of Linda Smith and Dana Rohrabacher.

Track record is the best indication of what aspirants will actually do, and the best way to assuage concerns. All of you who know him so well should be looking up the ruling record of Mr. Massie to show everyone why we should trust him.

All of this is to say that: I can be convinced. Most of us on the forum can, I think, be convinced. Even low preference guy might come around! But you will have to bring out the evidence. Hey, if Ron Paul were saying the things he was, without his pristine decade-spanning voting record, I'd be happy for the rhetoric spreading the ideas, but I wouldn't believe him. It would sound, frankly, too good to be true. There would be no reason to believe he'd actually follow through with his rhetoric, any more than Reagan did.

What's more: I actually deep down want to be convinced. People in Congress would be a great thing to have. The rEVOLution has proven we can elect Congressmen, and even Senators. We should use that power. But we don't need another 1994 Republican Freshman Class. Those freshman congressmen all ran anti-government, cut-the-spending campaigns, to a man. In Wisconsin, it was Mark Neumann. He was going to Washington to cut, cut, cut. In the end, he compromised, compromised, compromised. He accomplished and stood for nothing that I liked, but Newt and the party leadership was probably very happy with him. We don't need our own version of that junk.
 
By the way, I stood by Rand and supported him, because I had, what I felt, were good enough reasons to believe him to be genuinely libertarian. There was a treasury of letters to the editor, speeches, and statements backing that up, as well as actions such as forming the alternative Ophthalmologist certification association, as well as the long personal family association and unreserved endorsement of Ron Paul. There was a risk, but we will always have that risk, no matter how much and how convincingly the person says they agree with us, as shown in the cases of Linda Smith and Dana Rohrabacher.

Track record is the best indication of what aspirants will actually do, and the best way to assuage concerns. All of you who know him so well should be looking up the ruling record of Mr. Massie to show everyone why we should trust him.

All of this is to say that: I can be convinced. Most of us on the forum can, I think, be convinced. Even low preference guy might come around! But you will have to bring out the evidence. Hey, if Ron Paul were saying the things he was, without his pristine decade-spanning voting record, I'd be happy for the rhetoric spreading the ideas, but I wouldn't believe him. It would sound, frankly, too good to be true. There would be no reason to believe he'd actually follow through with his rhetoric, any more than Reagan did.

What's more: I actually deep down want to be convinced. People in Congress would be a great thing to have. The rEVOLution has proven we can elect Congressmen, and even Senators. We should use that power. But we don't need another 1994 Republican Freshman Class. Those freshman congressmen all ran anti-government, cut-the-spending campaigns, to a man. In Wisconsin, it was Mark Neumann. He was going to Washington to cut, cut, cut. In the end, he compromised, compromised, compromised. He accomplished and stood for nothing that I liked, but Newt and the party leadership was probably very happy with him. We don't need our own version of that junk.

He's been in office for just a year. He ran because he was fighting ordinances and zoning plans by county commission.... here, he tells it better:
 
Umm, Bama, either I am not understanding you, or you have not understood me. Perhaps you just skimmed my post and should re-read it?

The "sell out stuff" from Anthony Gregory via Lew Rockwell dot com was a short blurb about a man who did, in fact, sell out: Dana Rohrabacher. It was mainly to show that not only was Dana a libertarian, he was a radical libertarian anarchist. And now he's for bombing babies.

The forum mods and admins see him as a legit liberty candidate that will defend our positions. That's why we made a board for him. Out of the thousands of candidates running throughout the country, he is one of four we have made a board for in this election so far. I know you might not know much about him, but for now you're just going to have to trust our decision until you can see for yourself.
 
The forum mods and admins see him as a legit liberty candidate that will defend our positions. That's why we made a board for him. Out of the thousands of candidates running throughout the country, he is one of four we have made a board for in this election so far. I know you might not know much about him, but for now you're just going to have to trust our decision until you can see for yourself.

Jeremy hits the nail on the head here. You don't know Massie--he does. The mods of the forum have vetted him and found him to be within the confines of the "Ron Paul" movement. All the signs certainly point to that--member of RPF since 2008 election, donated to both Ron and Rand, mentioned by Rand in his book as a major supporter, etc. You're taking one interview in which he's aiming to maximize his appeal and treating it as gospel--while dismissing the rest of the evidence.
 
Thomas is a brilliant guy who I am proud to call a friend. He is a strong advocate for liberty and will be a great voice for us in the sea of insanity that is Washington D.C. Honestly guys, I don't want to count my chickens before they hatch but this is a guy who I believe could be Presidential material someday and to see everyone gang up on him just because he does not sound 100% like Ron makes me quite sad. Yes, maybe he should have given Ron more of an endorsement but he probably should have done a million other things as well. Ron is Ron and not everyone is going to sound exactly like him and if we put that demand upon everyone than we are going to find ourselves without a voice at all in areas where it counts. Many long time established members have spent a long time getting to know this man and he is the real deal. He is not perfect but nobody is and he is also just now starting his bid for a major office like this.. Give him some time and please cut him some slack.
 
Give him some time and please cut him some slack.
Hey, I'm giving him slack. Just keep bringing out his record, posting more evidence. The video Bama posted was good and does make me like him a lot more. It's the record that counts, though (I see he's not actually a judge at all). What has he done and voted for and against (hopefully most against) as Executive?
 
Best wished Mr. Massie. Hope to see good things from you in the future!

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Did he ever post here? And if he did can someone link me his profile page so I can see some of his previous posts? I want to trust what you guys are saying but I too have some reservations based on the video. I haven't been able to read every post yet So I haven't seen all the pros-cons of supporting him. My only reservation is in still trying to work out some video game sales for a donation to gunny, and while I don't want to knock on massie, I feel more comfortable with donating my limited funds to someone I agree with and believe in.

Good luck to massie regardless.
 
Thank you!

Thank you for your generous donation!
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there glad to help

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Best wished Mr. Massie. Hope to see good things from you in the future!

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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Adrock again."

EDIT: I'm going to delete or split the discussion about Lew Rockwell/Anarchism/etc.
 
Did he ever post here? And if he did can someone link me his profile page so I can see some of his previous posts? I want to trust what you guys are saying but I too have some reservations based on the video. I haven't been able to read every post yet So I haven't seen all the pros-cons of supporting him. My only reservation is in still trying to work out some video game sales for a donation to gunny, and while I don't want to knock on massie, I feel more comfortable with donating my limited funds to someone I agree with and believe in.

Good luck to massie regardless.

He posted this on the sixth page.

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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?24533-thomas-in-ky

Honestly, I believe he is for Ron Paul and that he is truly for our freedoms. I didn't read all the posts, but basing all these views just on one video is just bad, let him further explain himself and don't be quick to judge.
 
Some people here are incapable of understanding how politics works. It's almost like some of you WANT to turn against fellow liberty lovers and are looking for reasons to do so

Mr. Massie is one of us as evidenced by his support of both Ron and Rand.

Check his posting history...it should be quite extensive

I look forward to doing all I can to help him get that seat
 
Yeah, but Rand never said that he didn't support his father. He openly admitted to supporting his father in 2008. He's certainly been strong in his support for Ron this time around as well.

Anyone who followed the KY race knows that Rand ran from Ron.

The fact is that Ron is politically toxic in the southeast as evidenced by his lower #'s in South Carolina vs. the numbers in NH

If someone has to simply run on his own positions and not endorse Ron, I'm okay with that. Would rather have a secret Ron supporter in office than an open one sitting at home

BTW, many of these negative posters are the same folks who came out against Rand in 2010. I remember all too well which of you dissected and criticized every comment and move by Rand. Will you admit you were wrong about Rand? (see: Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, debt ceiling). Now consider that you may be wrong about Mr. Massie too
 
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Massie needs to clarify his foreign policy position. If he supports war I can never support him, plain and simple. War is far more evil and far more crucial than any other issue.
 
What are this guy's positions on foreign policy and the drug war? If he's a drug warrior and/or an imperialist I will never support him.
 
Massie needs to clarify his foreign policy position. If he supports war I can never support him, plain and simple. War is far more evil and far more crucial than any other issue.

What are this guy's positions on foreign policy and the drug war? If he's a drug warrior and/or an imperialist I will never support him.

I imagine he'll take the most marketable points from Ron's foreign policy.
  • National Defense is the federal government's number one priority under the Constitution
  • We should only put our troops in harms way if there is a clear threat to our national security
  • If such a threat exists, we should declare war; win it; and come home.
Considering how new his web site is, I wouldn't be surprised if it is updated with more planks soon.
 
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