This movement needs to be more tolerant...

The American Dream is preserved on paper. Declaration of Independence, Constitution , Federalist Papers, Anti Federalist papers...etc. tones
 
mrkurtz said:
Very true, but if you want us to support your candidate, you have to go down to the reasons why someone thinks or feels about that candidate. Express those reasons; defend those reasons. It's all in the name of civil discourse, and as you espoused earlier, educating the populace.

You have that opportunity. You have that opportunity to support John McCain here. Tell us why he will make a great president. We're right here, we're listening.
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You have mis quoted me... My commnts about educating peole was about the liberty movement not who Im voting for.

How many times do I have to say.. I am not trying t convert or convince anyone of who to vote for (In this election).

I am trying to get peopl here to help the movement not hurt it...

(voting for Mccain is not hurting this movement because one of them is going to win.).
 
mrkurtz said:
And again, I'm sorry if I made you feel antagonized or belittled. It was not my intent.

You're missing out on a great opportunity to support your candidate; you have an active thread. Please, I beg you to tell us with facts and a logic chain why we should support your candidate, John McCain.
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Whatkind of ewvidence do you want to see to 'PROVE" my point. No one "KNOWS"
the future..

If I couldproduce something that "hypothetically" could convince you.. what would that be?

Nothing would unless I could prove that mccain really doesnt exist... and that it is really Ron Paul in a mask trying to get into office to implement liberty...
 
jonathans said:
How is that unprincipled??
He fights everyday for the constitution, he won't give an INCH!
Am I right?
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Well some would argue that he did try to get money for his district...

and I dont think my decision is unprincipled...

Ron Paul has to work within the parameters that exist in reality

It is not perfect.. but he has to work with it... you don't see him being a tax resistor even though he does not think the IRS is constitutional...

He is making a choice (compromise) for the greater good
 
EndTheFed said:
You have mis quoted me... My commnts about educating peole was about the liberty movement not who Im voting for.
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How is voting for McCain educating people about the liberty movement?

EndTheFed said:
How many times do I have to say.. I am not trying t convert or convince anyone of who to vote for (In this election).
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I don't anyone is asking you try to convert people. I'm telling you that you have an opportunity to tell people here why it is logical to vote for McCain. It helps the movement to be able to flesh out specific alignment to the "liberty cause". Whether you convince or convert people is immaterial; but the whole forum is smarter for your contribution. Nobody has yet posted the McCain = C4L movement yet; you have an EXCELLENT opportunity to do that.

EndTheFed said:
I am trying to get peopl here to help the movement not hurt it...

(voting for Mccain is not hurting this movement because one of them is going to win.).
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I think we're in agreement here. If you can establish that link between voting for McCain and the C4L, then we actually have a way to funnel the rest of the entrenched GOP over to the principles of the C4L. In essense, we will get more poeple here to help the movement, not hurt it...
 
EndTheFed said:
If I couldproduce something that "hypothetically" could convince you.. what would that be?
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That was not my request. We want to know why you are convinced. We want to know the reasons. We want to know the facts you used and the logic chain you used to get to your conclusion. Nothing hypothetical about that.

This is a huge opportunity to get more McCain supporters like yourself on board the C4L.
 
EndTheFed said:
Well some would argue that he did try to get money for his district...

and I dont think my decision is unprincipled...

Ron Paul has to work within the parameters that exist in reality

It is not perfect.. but he has to work with it... you don't see him being a tax resistor even though he does not think the IRS is constitutional...

He is making a choice (compromise) for the greater good
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Not completely unprincipled, no.
But we have been cutting deals with these snakes for YEARS. Look at where it's got us.The way I see it, the more we roll around with pigs the more we become like them, the harder to get the stains out of your clothes :) (digging a deeper hole) pick a metaphor... lol
 
mrkurtz said:
How is voting for McCain educating people about the liberty movement?



I don't anyone is asking you try to convert people. I'm telling you that you have an opportunity to tell people here why it is logical to vote for McCain. It helps the movement to be able to flesh out specific alignment to the "liberty cause". Whether you convince or convert people is immaterial; but the whole forum is smarter for your contribution. Nobody has yet posted the McCain = C4L movement yet; you have an EXCELLENT opportunity to do that.



I think we're in agreement here. If you can establish that link between voting for McCain and the C4L, then we actually have a way to funnel the rest of the entrenched GOP over to the principles of the C4L. In essense, we will get more poeple here to help the movement, not hurt it...
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I never said voting for mccain is edcating people... the only thing i have said is the supreme court would be better off with mccain that obama.

I did say distributing freedom to fascism dvd is educating people.


I do believe that there is possibilities with Palin.. she seems real to me and most of the people that know her. She likes Ron Paul and feels somewhat aligned with him. I think that palin in office could begood for C4L


That is uless our people offend her, alianate her and make her think we are all nuts. yea... lets flood her with e-mails telling her how awful she is... and how bad mccain is... that will surly win her over...
 
I think McCain would be safer for USA than OBama, so if he wins, fine. (my friends/family win)(CFL continues on schedule)
If Obama wins, allthe better. (crank up the heat)
TIME TO DROP ABOUT 300,000,000 FROGS INTO SOME BOILING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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jonathans said:
I think McCain would be safer for USA than OBama, so if he wins, fine. (my friends/family win)
If Obama wins, allthe better. (crank up the heat)
TIME TO DROP ABOUT 300,000,000 FROGS INTO SOME BOILING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Step away from the keyboard. Go outside. Never return.
 
mrkurtz said:
That was not my request. We want to know why you are convinced. We want to know the reasons. We want to know the facts you used and the logic chain you used to get to your conclusion. Nothing hypothetical about that.

This is a huge opportunity to get more McCain supporters like yourself on board the C4L.
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My main issue in the supreme court

Mccain and obama put their views out there

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...t-supreme-court-justices-at-saddleback-forum/

http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/07/16/1990/
 
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Kade said:
Step away from the keyboard. Go outside. Never return.
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what did i say??
you give mr. i love mcain pages of debate but want to throw me out for what???
Just exactly what offended you?

I like you guys, what's up!
edit: just scrolled through a few of you posts.......wow, name calling, rudeness...........i see
 
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EndTheFed said:
I do believe that there is possibilities with Palin.. she seems real to me and most of the people that know her. She likes Ron Paul and feels somewhat aligned with him. I think that palin in office could begood for C4L
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And to be quite frank, if RP had miraculously gotten the nomination, I would have hoped he'd pick Palin as his VP. I just wished the entrenched GOP didn't get to her first. She needs to stop talking about lipstick and other benign topics and start getting fully educated on economic and foreign policy.

And, I wish the VP had some substantive constitutional power aside from the tiebreaking vote in the Senate. Oh well, so it goes.
 
mrkurtz said:
And to be quite frank, if RP had miraculously gotten the nomination, I would have hoped he'd pick Palin as his VP. I just wished the entrenched GOP didn't get to her first. She needs to stop talking about lipstick and other benign topics and start getting fully educated on economic and foreign policy.

And, I wish the VP had some substantive constitutional power aside from the tiebreaking vote in the Senate. Oh well, so it goes.
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Well maybe we have some more common ground.. I have to say Palin (my earlier post i said palin/mccain on purpose) is what won me over.

Yes... Ron Paul/Palin Yeaaaaa !!!

Also if she is the pit bull it sounds like she may just be one to expose stuff.
 
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