The Revolution needs you to vote for Obama

[phree]

The people of this country are already shocked. Everytime they fill up their cars, or go to the grocery store, or when they see all the for sale signs in their neighborhood. People dont need promises of change. They need action now. Giving up and letting socialism breed, even for just 4 years is exactly what we DONT need to do. Once you let something like that get started it will never be gotten rid of. It becomes entrenched in Government and becomes permanent.

Yes, The People are shocked and many of them believe Obama will deliver them from the badness, that he's the opposite of Bush. I believe Obama is more like Bush in terms of policy than different from him. Let the people see that Obama lied about helping them, unless you believe Obama will succeed, something I'm starting to suspect about many of you.

Now, dont get me wrong. Im not saying that either of the 2 MSM candidates are the answer, but at the same time, abandoning all of our work to establish a foothold inside the Republican party isnt realistic either. Id rather see another neocon Republican in the White House then be party to allowing socialism to gain a stronger position in this country.

You apparently see a bigger difference between McCain and Obama than I do.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Yes, The People are shocked and many of them believe Obama will deliver them from the badness, that he's the opposite of Bush. I believe Obama is more like Bush in terms of policy than different from him. Let the people see that Obama lied about helping them, unless you believe Obama will succeed, something I'm starting to suspect about many of you.



You apparently see a bigger difference between McCain and Obama than I do.

Listen here, asswipe. If you vote for Barack Obama, you are my enemy.

 

[phree]

It means that I will not vote for a party that practices the 10 planks of the Communist manifesto.

You're coming from emotion which I can understand, but it's not the best place to wage a revolution from.

 

[pacelli]

You're coming from emotion which I can understand, but it's not the best place to wage a revolution from.

You're making an assumption not based on evidence.

 

[Kilrain]

Voting for Obama is just plain stupid. Once you put socialist welfare systems in place, it's all but impossible to get rid of them. If you don't understand that, then you have a lot to learn.

 

[phree]

before you get angry, phree, i read your message. your logic is flawed. have Rs been appalled at what W has done? no, they chose his clone to follow in his footsteps and blamed everything bad on the Ds. Will Ds be appalled at what Obama does? no, they'll cling to Obama and blame all ill on the Rs (rather than looking for a revolutionary alternative). i mean, most of us aren't R party regulars that defected.

Yes, Rs are not happy with W, as indicated by his low approval and his absence at the RNC.

The rank and file Ds won't be unhappy with Obama when sells The People out, they will applaud him. The resource I'm aiming at is the large number of new voters that Obama has attracted. They really do want change and when Obama invades more countries and doesn't give us health care they will lose faith. That's our source of a great number of new revolutionaries. Obama got them stirred up but he won't deliver. When they realize that, many of them will look for a true vehicle of change, us.

respecting phree's reasoning here, the only way to send a message of hope for the revolution is to vote for a better candidate. if there are enough of us that decide that neither of the big party candidates are worthy (imagine if we could split 10% among the various "other" candidates), that would send a bigger message than a large majority for Obama will.

This is my second choice.

 

[phree]

The movement can't grow if it is supporting any pro-big government candidate, so I will be voting for Barr.

How do you know what will grow the movement?

Refute my logic.

 

[Rhys]

Yes, Rs are not happy with W, as indicated by his low approval and his absence at the RNC.

The rank and file Ds won't be unhappy with Obama when sells The People out, they will applaud him. The resource I'm aiming at is the large number of new voters that Obama has attracted. They really do want change and when Obama invades more countries and doesn't give us health care they will lose faith. That's our source of a great number of new revolutionaries. Obama got them stirred up but he won't deliver. When they realize that, many of them will look for a true vehicle of change, us.


This is my second choice.

You thinking you can centraly plan what people will think if Obama is outed as a fraud (which is HIGHLY suspect given our communist-bent media who will say he's just picking up after the mess the free market left behind) is exactly like Helicopter Ben thinking he can plan the economy. It's an impossible task and TOOOOOOOO MUCHHHHH can go wrong... for instance everything can go wrong because we FIGHT against people like Obama... We don't hand them victories just in case something good can come of it. Grow a backbone.

And if you think for one second that Obama will take the blame as a commie, you're wrong. IF anything (and probably nothing) he'll take the fall for being black.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Vote with your conscience, not your political agenda.

 

[phree]

Must he win the presidency to be "outed" as a regular lying politician? We could target those new voters but must we vote for Obama as well? There is already a lot of shadiness surrounding Obama.

If he doesn't win then his empty rhetoric will not be disproved and his followers will remain loyal (blind), so yes, to be outed he must win. We will have little success targeting his followers if they feel Obama lost because he was "too good" or because of racism.

Please everyone, take a moment and imagine what will happen if Obama loses. The debate about him and his defeat will go on for years and is just the type of distraction that the political elite thrive on. We must prevent this from happening.

Also, I am starting to have a hard time buying that Obama will win the general election...especially by a landslide. I spent the week of the Dems convention lurking around on their forums and such...and a lot of the Hillary supporters are voting for McCain. And then there are the polls...which should be Obama like 70% and McCain 30%...but they are fairly even. Then there is the fact that young people typically don't vote as much. They will hold signs and go to rallies...but will they go out and vote? I think the race between McCain and Obama is going to much closer that people think.

I agree completely, that's why I started thinking about what it will be like if Obama loses. At this point I believe McCain will win which is why I'm promoting a vote for Obama. If Obama loses it will be bad for us.

 

[phree]

The Revolution needs you to kiss my ass about this one. Sorry bro.

Great display of reason.

 

[phree]

I refuse to vote for the BHO or the son of Cain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe you can think about it logically after you finish slapping your head and screaming.

 

[pacelli]

As far as your assessment that the Revolution will suffer more under a McCain win, your posted logic makes a connection between a McCain win and Obama being made into a political martyr, thus improving Obama's chances of winning in 2012. This follows, then, that Obama would run again in 2012 and beat McCain as a result of being made a martyr, correct?

This assumes quite a bit about the reaction of Obama supporters, as well as McCain's presidency. There a few other hypotheses that should be considered:

1) Obama wins - It upsets the Republican establishment and causes them to rally immediately being Palin or one of their other mainstream candidates, and build upon that support over the next 4 years. Strengthens the GOP, Weakens the Revolution.

2) McCain wins - Obama quietly fades into the political background, much like Al Gore did in 2000 despite the support he had from the political left to run again in 2004. McCain sits for 1 term. After 3 consecutive Republican presidents, the Democrats get behind a more known and experienced candidate who wins in 2012. Strengthens Democrats, Weakens the Revolution.

3) Obama wins - The GOP engages in a propaganda campaign against Ron Paul supporters who, out of disgust, helped elect Obama. Weakens the Revolution.

Note that I am speculating these hypotheses based on a predictive form of 'if / then' logic, which is the same logic used in the OP.

 

[CasualApathy]

Anyone who tries to justify voting for Obama is part of the problem. The only way your vote is going to count is as a vote AGAINST the two major parties. It doesn't matter how you try to justify voting for evil, not when you have a chance to vote for good. Those petty tactical arguments are laughable, you are talking like you can see the future. Don't be a sucker and listen to these people who want you to sell out to Obama or McCain.

 

[Kilrain]

Please everyone, take a moment and imagine what will happen if Obama loses. The debate about him and his defeat will go on for years and is just the type of distraction that the political elite thrive on. We must prevent this from happening.

Yep, just like what happened with Dukakis, Mondale and...wait a minute! :o

 

[phree]

This is really.... out there? give Obama office so his retarded supporters don't hurt themselves? The dems can't win anyway. Who cares about how energized they get... they suck at life. That's why they're asking Obama to do it all for them. If he loses, maybe they'll realize how retarded they are... the opposite of what you think.

Quit rationalizing it. Just go plug a Obama pin on your lapel and go Hope for Change.

If Obama loses his followers will always believe that their messiah was cheated his victory. They will remain loyal and the ensuing debate will dominate the MSM, which they will love of course.

If he wins many of them won't realize he's a liar, but many, especially the new recruits, will see that he is. Remember that a large part of Obama's following are young people who see problems with the status quo. If Obama wins he has to show his colors as a typical bullshitter and when he does, many in that group of new young voters will see it and look elsewhere for real change. That's how we grow the movement.

Obama has captivated a lot of unhappy Americans. These are exactly the type of people who are likely to join us when their messiah doesn't deliver.

 

[aravoth]

 

[CasualApathy]

Great display of reason.

Dude, there is no reason behind what you are advocating up there on your high horse. You are telling us to vote for the lesser of two evils instead of voting according to our principles. You try to justify it with wild speculation, yet you are perpetuating the very same way of thinking that got us into this mess. The two major parties are beyond redemption, the only sane thing to do is to vote against both. Third party numbers need to start climbing every election, that is way more vital then those petty tactical speculations.

 

[phree]

Listen here, asswipe. If you vote for Barack Obama, you are my enemy.

How will I get by after I put you on ignore?

I'm about to find out.

 

[aravoth]