The Myth: Must win 5 States

[Feelgood]

The myth:

Ron Paul will win the nomination, due to the rose colored glass view of RPF supporters, tossing all of reality into the wind and ignoring all provisions of common sense.

Seriously guys, this shit is so rigged and fixed against us, when we get to the convention, IF Ron is still even in the race, he will be nothing more then a small blip on the radar, IF THAT. I seriously doubt Ron's name will even be mentioned at the convention. When Romney is crowned, and they seal the fate of the GOP, just remember, NOBP and let them drown in their misery as they hand Obama a second term.

 

[Suzu]

Ron will most likely have the majority of the delegates from at least five states (and I'm counting Missouri in that total, because I know we are going to win them here).

By the time of the convention in Tampa, the US will most likely be involved in at least one more war of aggression (Syria and/or Iran), and the USD will be toast; there will be a great deal of civil unrest in the USA and many more instances of police/military brutality and other egregious violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

In other words, the overall picture will have grown bleak enough that even the most stubborn GOP hacks should be able to recognize that nominating Ron Paul is the only chance to get rid of O and restore the republic, and they will not resist strenuously when there is a big push from our delegates.

Our biggest challenge is likely to be getting our delegates to actually SHOW UP in Tampa. I think we will need to focus on that task more than any other as this process approaches the finish line.

 

[69360]

Ron will most likely have the majority of the delegates from at least five states (and I'm counting Missouri in that total, because I know we are going to win them here).

By the time of the convention in Tampa, the US will most likely be involved in at least one more war of aggression (Syria and/or Iran), and the USD will be toast; there will be a great deal of civil unrest in the USA and many more instances of police/military brutality and other egregious violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

In other words, the overall picture will have grown bleak enough that even the most stubborn GOP hacks should be able to recognize that nominating Ron Paul is the only chance to get rid of O and restore the republic, and they will not resist strenuously when there is a big push from our delegates.

Our biggest challenge is likely to be getting our delegates to actually SHOW UP in Tampa. I think we will need to focus on that task more than any other as this process approaches the finish line.

Nah, Bernake will just print again propping up the economy until after the election. Obama will just beat war drums but not attack Iran until after the election.

 

[amonasro]

If the GOP has been playing dirty up until this point, what makes us think that they'll let us walk away with a majority of delegates in these states? They're probably scheming against us as we speak.

 

[tbone717]

In the average GOP voters mind he's not a factor in the primary, no. In the general he sure is. If the RP voters don't support the GOP nominee Obama wins. Everyone knows it and it's the elephant in the room.

Really that is hard to say. It will only be a factor in the battleground states really, it isn't going to matter one way or another if RP supporters don't vote for the nominee in a Red State like Wyoming for example. The impact of this will only be measurable as we get closer to the general election and there is some reliable polling data for those battleground states.

 

[affa]

just want to point out that in the OP, you switch from 'plurality' to 'majority' when talking about what is needed.

Ron Paul does not need a 'majority', only a 'plurality'.

majority = over 50%. definition - The number by which votes for one candidate in an election are more than those for all other candidates combined.

plurality = a. In a contest of more than two choices, the number of votes cast for the winning choice if this number is not more than one half of the total votes cast.
b. The number by which the vote of the winning choice in such a contest exceeds that of the closest opponent.

in other words, in a four man race, Ron Paul does not need a majority of delegates in 5 states, but rather, simply needs to have more than any other opponent in 5 states.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

There is so much dismal attitude in users with 2011 sign up dates..

C'mon guys.. Haven't you ever heard of General Greene?


Lost every battle, but won the war.

Washington was lucky to have a commander like that.

 

[tbone717]

There is so much dismal attitude in users with 2011 sign up dates..

C'mon guys.. Haven't you ever heard of General Greene?


Lost every battle, but won the war.

Washington was lucky to have a commander like that.

Sign up dates do not equal time spent in this movement. Oddly enough many who are newer to RPF have been around this movement a hell of a lot longer than people that joined this thing 4 years ago. Personally, I have been at this 25 years. So while I supported and volunteered for the campaign in 08, I realized that we were just in the first leg of what would be 5 year campaign. Since Paul seemed poised to do well this year, was the reason I decided to come in here to discuss matters and provide assistance where needed.

Perhaps, those of us who are new to the forums but veterans of the movement, have the wisdom to see when we are defeated and do not hang onto unrealistic hopes.

 

[carterm]

he probably already has more delegates than the others in 5 states. this will take care of itself.

 

[cucucachu0000]

we also need a win so people dont flip out that the guy who won the nomination didnt win in a single state.

 

[kathy88]

we also need a win so people dont flip out that the guy who won the nomination didnt win in a single state.

Don't hate the playa hate the game They are the idiots that made the rules. WE just know them better than anyone, including the other three candidates.

 

[Uriah]

You site the RNC rules saying "plurality" then go on to say majority. Plurality and majority are not the same thing. Majority is 50% plus one. Plurality is more than anybody else. Ex.: Paul 40, Mitt 30, Rick 20, Newt 10.

Otherwise, great job! Thanks for helping dispel this myth.

 

[klamath]

we also need a win so people dont flip out that the guy who won the nomination didnt win in a single state.

And this is the big worry. People are so focused on winning no matter how that they lose the war. People WILL flip out and understandably so if that happens.

 

[cmo4ever]

And this is the big worry. People are so focused on winning no matter how that they lose the war. People WILL flip out and understandably so if that happens.

We will drag the lemmings to freedom if need be.

 

[Ivash]

In the average GOP voters mind he's not a factor in the primary, no. In the general he sure is. If the RP voters don't support the GOP nominee Obama wins. Everyone knows it and it's the elephant in the room.

No one 'knows it' because, well, it isn't true. 1) Ron Paul is unknown by large amounts of people (many of whom do not understand what libertarianism even is), so he is the closest the average Republican has to a 'generic Republican'. Dr. Paul is not even close to a generic Republican. He is the farthest thing to a generic Republican. When the attack adds hit, his polling numbers will probably decrease (the idea that he attacks Liberals seems strange to me; American liberalism and libertarianism are completely and totally different ideologies. When liberals find out that Ron Paul is against government spending in almost all cases, abortion, etc, they will not vote for him).

More importantly, President Obama only beat Senator McCain 54-46%. Now, that might sound like a lot, but it only takes a 4% swing and the election is tied. In the worst Republican year in decades, McCain still got 46% of the vote. This year is a much better year- any credible candidate could potentially beat Obama (I'm not saying they will, just that they could).

 

[Algorres]

Honestly this is not so much of a "myth" as it is a promotion of misinformation from people on this forum. This was corrected by folks posting the exact text of the RNC rules back before Iowa voted.

As it stands today, only Romney has his 5 states (AZ, FL, MI, NV, NH). Each of those states have party rules that bind the delegates to the winner.

You are mistaken in Nevada, can't comment on other states. Now here is the kicker. At the State convention a 70 percent majority can actually strip bound delegates and unbind them. It is possible for us to send that majority to the State convention. Bone up on Robert's Rules and get ready for the ride.

 

[slamhead]

Funny I just posted this question when I saw this video of Ron talking about having to win some states.

 

[Ivash]

Don't hate the playa hate the game They are the idiots that made the rules. WE just know them better than anyone, including the other three candidates.

I think that, in your heart of hearts, you know this is impossible. Dr. Paul needs to win a few states to be taken seriously at the convention. They will change their own rules if need be to stop a candidate that did not win a state win the nomination. And they should- it would be idiotic if they didn't.

 

[tbone717]

I think that, in your heart of hearts, you know this is impossible. Dr. Paul needs to win a few states to be taken seriously at the convention. They will change their own rules if need be to stop a candidate that did not win a state win the nomination. And they should- it would be idiotic if they didn't.

Could you imagine the conniptions people on here would be having if Paul had won half a dozen states by this point, and word started to spread that Newt was stacking the delegate process in his favor?

 

[Ivash]

Could you imagine the conniptions people on here would be having if Paul had won half a dozen states by this point, and word started to spread that Newt was stacking the delegate process in his favor?

They would be furious- and rightfully so.