Should California leave the United States and become a free and independent country?

[Anti Federalist]

California Ballot Initiative to Secede the Union Cleared to Gather Signatures

https://www.breitbart.com/pre-viral...ative-secede-union-cleared-gather-signatures/

Katherine Hamilton 24 Jan 2025

A California ballot initiative proposing that the state become its own country and secede from the United States has been filed and cleared for signature gathering.

If the measure makes it onto the November 2028 ballot, it would ask voters: “Should California leave the United States and become a free and independent country?” local news outlet KCRA3 reported on Friday.

The guidelines would require 50 percent of registered voters to participate and a “yes” vote from 55 percent of voters, which would indicate “a vote of no confidence in the United States of America,” according to the report. The measure would further show that the “will of the people of California” is to become a country.

“According to the initiative’s language, it would not change California’s current government or relationship with the U.S. However, it would create a commission to report on California’s viability as an independent country,” the report states. “The initiative estimates one-time election-related costs, and forming a commission on national sovereignty and independence would cost $10 million. It estimates that operating the commission would take another $2 million in annual state costs.”

The circulation deadline is July 22, and the initiative requires 546,651 valid signatures.

“Legally seceding the country would require a constitutional amendment, which would require the approval of Congress and 38 states,” the report notes.

 

[Dr.3D]

They would just request foreign aid if they did.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Yes, and be aligned much the same as other countries. Allied but come to the aid like NATO article 4 is. Border checks are already there and we slowly incorporate infrastructure to be operated by California. We already have Federal bases around so those can be operated much the same as foreign countries do. I see no issue with it.

 

[oyarde]

bye now

 

[TheTexan]

“Legally seceding the country would require a constitutional amendment, which would require the approval of Congress and 38 states,” the report notes.

They can eat dicks with their constitutional amendment. CA can secede if they want to. And should.

 

[Voluntarist]

 

[Anti Globalist]

Democrats would never allow it. I remember when Calexit was supposed to be on the California ballot initiatives during the 2018 midterms but it got removed because California politicians knew it was going to win in a landslide.

 

[TheTexan]

Texas is barely beating out NY?

I call shenanigans.

 

[Okie RP fan]

If people were actually educated on secession; if people were to have honest conversations about how secession in the modern ages is probably even easier than it used to be and with technology and so much economic trade taking place, access to other states/countries will be simple; if people were actually taught and explained what it is, why it's not a bad thing ONLY associated with the Confederacy; and if people were given the numerous examples throughout history of secession around the world, these numbers would be much higher.

I am confident those numbers would be higher. I'm impressed at the number of states sitting around 1/4 already.

Democrats would never allow it. I remember when Calexit was supposed to be on the California ballot initiatives during the 2018 midterms but it got removed because California politicians knew it was going to win in a landslide.

California is enamored with itself and likes being the center of attention in the U.S. I believe they'd think they're "too integral" to the U.S. to even seriously consider it, sadly.
The truth is, CA, much like TX, is kind of its own thing in many ways.

I really, really hope this gains traction in CA. And, it must be said: here we are with another California secession conversation when certain other four years it's racist and "confederate-loser talk" to talk about secession.

Hypocrites, but please, push forward with this at full speed.

 

[TheTexan]

If people were actually educated on secession; if people were to have honest conversations about how secession in the modern ages is probably even easier than it used to be and with technology and so much economic trade taking place, access to other states/countries will be simple; if people were actually taught and explained what it is, why it's not a bad thing ONLY associated with the Confederacy; and if people were given the numerous examples throughout history of secession around the world, these numbers would be much higher.

America is basically in an abusive relationship and has been since Lincoln, being gaslighted into thinking secession is bad, and being threatened with violence if we even think about it.

It's gonna have to get worse before it gets better.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Only if they have to leave the Red counties behind.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Secession - it's not just for "neo-Confederates" anymore ... (not that it ever was, but ...)

Only if they have to leave the Red counties behind.

Let California secede from the U.S. if it likes.

Let "red" counties secede from California if they like.

THREAD: More rural counties want to secede from CA and IL
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Either or both is acceptable (but preferably both).

 

[Occam's Banana]

California Secession Would be Great for the Rest of America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXoQH-FUdiU
{Mises Media | 04 February 2025}

California secession would not change the US into a laissez-faire paradise, but the positive change would be immense.

See also *Breaking Away: The Case for Secession, Radical Decentralization, and Smaller Polities by Ryan McMaken*: https://Mises.org/BreakingAway

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