The Constitution Party?

[mitty]

protectionism is not my principle so that's why I'm not a CP member.

Is it one of your principles? Right up Abe Lincoln's alley

abe lincoln? nah. try george washington, john adams, thomas jefferson, and james madison. besides, i didn't say anything about the cp. your incoherent rants make you look foolish.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

abe lincoln? nah. try george washington, john adams, thomas jefferson, and james madison. besides, i didn't say anything about the cp. your incoherent rants make you look foolish.

You defended Baldwin with "i'm voting for principle" bs. So it was safe to assume that you are voting for him. Baldwin or socialist Nader? Which one?

Thomas Jefferson was a protectionist? hmm no

 

[mitty]

You defended Baldwin with "i'm voting for principle" bs. So it was safe to assume that you are voting for him. Baldwin or socialist Nader? Which one?

Thomas Jefferson was a protectionist? hmm no

i never said i was voting for baldwin. i simply said i was voting for principle. again, your incoherent rants make you look like a useless tool.

you are obviously ignorant of history. jefferson was not a strict free trade proponent. but looking at your post history, i'm not surprised that you didn't know.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

i never said i was voting for baldwin. i simply said i was voting for principle. again, your incoherent rants make you look like a useless tool.

you are obviously ignorant of history. jefferson was not a strict free trade proponent. but looking at your post history, i'm not surprised that you didn't know.

You're mistakened. Asking a simple question is not synonymous with ranting, do you even know the difference? Define "strict free trade proponent" that makes no sense. I told you that he wasnt' a protectionist, when did I say he was a "strict free trade proponent"?

You are to ashamed to answer a simple question. ha.

 

[Flash]

Too bad Ron Paul didn't go third party and try to unite the LP and Constitution Party. It would be pretty amazing to see the Libertarians and Constitutionalists put their differences aside. May be unite some of the smaller right-wing parties too...

 

[mitty]

You're mistakened. Asking a simple question is not synonymous with ranting, do you even know the difference? Define "strict free trade proponent" that makes no sense. I told you that he wasnt' a protectionist, when did I say he was a "strict free trade proponent"?

You are to ashamed to answer a simple question. ha.

-when jefferson was ambassador to france, he encouraged the french government to ban the importation of foreign manufactured goods.
-in a letter to james madison he said that the federalist papers are the best treatise on the practice of government. hamilton (especially 54) was a big advocate for tariffs in the federalist paper.
-he had a history of defending aspects of the mercantalistic system the colonies lived under.
-later in life, jefferson "converted" to a full fledged economic nationalist
-as president he imposed embargos
-his main concern in economics was the protection of the farmer. even if that meant going against free trade which was the case during his terms as president.

so by your definition, jefferson is a loony protectionist. i can picture you ranting against him on the forum if he were running for president today.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Can we please now admit that the main reason many people here won't vote for Baldwin is because of his religion and his occupation?

I can't speak for the rest here, but I am reluctant about Baldwin because of the party's platform. It includes such things as-

"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of these United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules." ...and other overly-religious stuff. This will turn off people who have serious concerns about liberty, but happen to dislike organized religion. In other words, it strikes me as too exclusionary to be a movement that would unify all people in freedom.

Plus, it is my understanding that they aren't on enough state ballots to realistically win. If all that gets fixed, I'll look into it. My philosophy is libertarian in nature, but I don't feel any obligation to any party. Hell, I left the RP when the good doctor was not nominated. I'm currently with the LP, and if they don't reform, I'm going Independent.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

-when jefferson was ambassador to france, he encouraged the french government to ban the importation of foreign manufactured goods.
-in a letter to james madison he said that the federalist papers are the best treatise on the practice of government. hamilton (especially 54) was a big advocate for tariffs in the federalist paper.
-he had a history of defending aspects of the mercantalistic system the colonies lived under.
-later in life, jefferson "converted" to a full fledged economic nationalist
-as president he imposed embargos
-his main concern in economics was the protection of the farmer. even if that meant going against free trade which was the case during his terms as president.

Where did you get this information? I've read about Jefferson, and I haven't seen such things.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Too bad Ron Paul didn't go third party and try to unite the LP and Constitution Party. It would be pretty amazing to see the Libertarians and Constitutionalists put their differences aside. May be unite some of the smaller right-wing parties too...

I agree. If RP did that, I would gladly put aside my differences with the CP.

 

[mitty]

I can't speak for the rest here, but I am reluctant about Baldwin because of the party's platform. It includes such things as-

"The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been and are afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.

The goal of the Constitution Party is to restore American jurisprudence to its Biblical foundations and to limit the federal government to its Constitutional boundaries.

The Constitution of these United States provides that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on all those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.

The U.S. Constitution established a Republic rooted in Biblical law, administered by representatives who are Constitutionally elected by the citizens. In such a Republic all Life, Liberty and Property are protected because law rules." ...and other overly-religious stuff. This will turn off people who have serious concerns about liberty, but happen to dislike organized religion. In other words, it strikes me as too exclusionary to be a movement that would unify all people in freedom.

Plus, it is my understanding that they aren't on enough state ballots to realistically win. If all that gets fixed, I'll look into it. My philosophy is libertarian in nature, but I don't feel any obligation to any party. Hell, I left the RP when the good doctor was not nominated. I'm currently with the LP, and if they don't reform, I'm going Independent.

im not here to defend the constitution party. im also not necessarily going to disagree with you.

 

[mitty]

Where did you get this information? I've read about Jefferson, and I haven't seen such things.

"The Economic Philosophy of Thomas Jefferson" by Joseph Dorfman
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2143776

 

[MMolloy]

Ron is telling you more than who to vote for!

I just amazes me that there are still people trying to defend Barr or trash Baldwin... are you guys totally blind/deaf.

Ron talked about the 4 areas of unity. He asked people to vote for 3rd party candidates.

Who spoke at his Rally that represented major organizations?
1) Mr. Norquist - president of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) (does not endore candidates)

2) Howard Phillips founded the U.S. Taxpayers Party (USTP) in 1992 (USTP became the Constitution Party) Has endorsed Chuck Baldwin.

3) Lew Rockwell - Von Mises Institute and LewRockwell.com (does not endore candidates)

4) John McManus (special guest) President of the John Birch Society. (does not endore candidates) The Society will be celebrating it's 50th anniversary October 2-5 and Ron Pual is the Key Note Speaker Saturday Night... Chuck Baldwin is the main speaker on Friday Night. http://www.jbs.org/index.php/about/jbs-50th-anniversary

Seems pretty well spelled out to me.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

"The Economic Philosophy of Thomas Jefferson" by Joseph Dorfman
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2143776

This page does not defend your assertion well. Perhaps it's changed since your original post?

 

[mitty]

This page does not defend your assertion well. Perhaps it's changed since your original post?

you must not have actually read past the first page.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

you must not have actually read past the first page.

When I tried to get further, it denied me access. I thought you were only referring to the first page.

 

[mitty]

When I tried to get further, it denied me access. I thought you were only referring to the first page.

its the only place i can find the article online

 

[heavenlyboy34]

pretty decent Baldwin interview (video)

Baldwin is pretty sensible here http://constitutionparty.com/ba_stats.php

I will probably be indecisive till election day! O, the madness of fighting the machine of fascism and neoconservatism!

~curls up in a little ball, hoping the evil people will go away soon~

 

[heavenlyboy34]

What disturbs me about this interview is how he advocates an expanded, powerful militia. Certainly no RP, this guy! Hmm! RP as Treasury secretary, Mr Baldwin? Not a bad idea!

 

[eloquensanity]

Without Liberty and the restoration of the constitution none of this other stuff matters.

Chuck Baldwin is fighting for these things the other stuff can be argued about later.

If you don't like Chuck then pick one of the other 3rd party candidates that signed on to the we agree platform.

Time is running out and we need to be promoting 3rd party vote instead of picking on things that won't even mean a thing when we are living under a communist dictatorship.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

quick question

Without Liberty and the restoration of the constitution none of this other stuff matters.

Chuck Baldwin is fighting for these things the other stuff can be argued about later.

If you don't like Chuck then pick one of the other 3rd party candidates that signed on to the we agree platform.

Time is running out and we need to be promoting 3rd party vote instead of picking on things that won't even mean a thing when we are living under a communist dictatorship.

I agree. However, from what I've found on the CP's website, they aren't on enough ballots to win (realistically). Am I mistaken?