The Conservative Party (a REAL party)

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Thank you, but I have found a problem which I didn't know about before. It appears that there is already a Conservative Party in New Jersey, and there is one in New York and Massachusetts as well. There is nothing filed with the FEC for anything on a National basis, which is what I was looking for originally, so it doesn't appear that there is a National party, and if there, we have to race them to file with the FEC first.

Anyway, you need to come up with a different name for the New Jersey party or attempt a takeover, which would appear to be easy on the account that there are 45 members in the entire state of New Jersey, behind everyone but the Natural Law Party.

How about we go by the name and we take over the state organization as we enter the recruiting stage? I'll research it and I'll cordinate a takeover effort with new NJ recruits.

 

[nate895]

How about we go by the name and we take over the state organization as we enter the recruiting stage? I'll research it and I'll cordinate a takeover effort with new NJ recruits.

Sounds like a good idea to me. Eliminates bureaucratic junk most of the rest of us will have to go through.

 

[nate895]

After digging, I have found a national Conservative Party organization, with a state party affiliate in Massachusetts. It is a new organization that appears to have popped up, since it was nowhere on my Google searches I did before, but is now 5 on the list. Since it has not filed with the FEC, held a National Convention, and is called the American Conservative Party (I had intended to file it as the Conservative Party of the United States), there appears to be a need to file as soon as we can figure out what we are doing. Their forum activity indicates they have fallen into line with the GOP due to Palin, so we have a few months to move before they will even start to think of filing.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

After digging, I have found a national Conservative Party organization, with a state party affiliate in Massachusetts. It is a new organization that appears to have popped up, since it was nowhere on my Google searches I did before, but is now 5 on the list. Since it has not filed with the FEC, held a National Convention, and is called the American Conservative Party (I had intended to file it as the Conservative Party of the United States), there appears to be a need to file as soon as we can figure out what we are doing. Their forum activity indicates they have fallen into line with the GOP due to Palin, so we have a few months to move before they will even start to think of filing.

hmm. NJ? Or Mass?

 

[nate895]

hmm. NJ? Or Mass?

Just Massachusetts considers itself an affiliate, New Jersey's party doesn't have a website, so it is possible with that one as well. Nationally, they are barely organized and haven't posted anything on their forum in a week, though the front page is littered with short blog posts.

 

[Josh_LA]

Oh yes, just what we need, a new 3rd party wannabe.

Forget the efforts of American Conservative Union, Pat Buchanan's America First Party and Council of Conservative Citizens.

 

[Scotso]

I have a real problem with the use of "Conservative" and what it implies. Just the name alone will dictate how some people view the party.

On the Nolan Chart, Conservatives are defined as people who believe in strong economic freedoms but not social ones. I'm a libertarian, I believe in strong freedoms in both.

 

[nate895]

I have a real problem with the use of "Conservative" and what it implies. Just the name alone will dictate how some people view the party.

On the Nolan Chart, Conservatives are defined as people who believe in strong economic freedoms but not social ones. I'm a libertarian, I believe in strong freedoms in both.

Nolan Chart is not the end all, be all, on political definitions. It really depends on what type of conservative you are. Conservatism is broadly defined as conserving something. Fiscal conservatives want to conserve money, cultural conservatives (AKA social conservatives) want to conserve the traditional social structure, and American Conservatives want to conserve the original ideals of America, which is limited-government libertarianism. We would define ourselves as American Conservatives (AKA Constitutional conservatives).

Of course in other countries this is different. Conservatism in the former Soviet Union, for example, would be a communist philosophy, or wanting a return of the Tsar. In China it would be a return to nationalist government from before the communist revolution, or return to the old days of the Imperial monarchy. Every country has different breeds of conservatives, that is why it is dumb to lump them into one basket.

 

[Flash]

I think it would be a good idea to invite some Blue Dog Democrats who seem to hold some pretty Conservative views.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Conservative+Democrats&btnG=Google+Search

 

[nate895]

I think it would be a good idea to invite some Blue Dog Democrats who seem to hold some pretty Conservative views.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Conservative+Democrats&btnG=Google+Search

Everyone will be welcome as long as they will agree to abide by the Constitution of the Federal government in Federal office, and their state Constitution in state office.

 

[sailor]

They look good. The reason why I picked the "Conservative" Party though was that it would get several people from outside the current "liberty movement," such as the three million who supported Pat Buchanan in '92, and others who aren't inclined to vote for a "Liberty" Party without talking to them about it. Conservative party would get party affiliation simply from the name. Look at the American Independent Party in CA. There is no way they have that many subscribers to their beliefs in that state.

But it could also have other problems... "Conservative" label brings its own baggage. There will be some people instantly opposed to you because of it. Others will dissmiss you out of hand and will never consider listening to you. You will have a hard time explaining how are you different from the Republicans to most people. Most people mostly think of cultural and morality issues when it comes to conservativism and Republicans have got that pretty well covered. And with an old label like that it may be harder to appear fresh and get grassroots enthusiasm really taking off. People will work their nuts for a programme they really belive in. But could be less enthusiastic about a watered down, compromise, big-tent deal.

Just some food for thought, don`t let it discourage you. And good luck!

 

[nate895]

But it could also have other problems... "Conservative" label brings its own baggage. There will be some people instantly opposed to you because of it. Others will dissmiss you out of hand and will never consider listening to you. You will have a hard time explaining how are you different from the Republicans to most people. Most people mostly think of cultural and morality issues when it comes to conservativism and Republicans have got that pretty well covered. And with an old label like that it may be harder to appear fresh and get grassroots enthusiasm really taking off. People will work their nuts for a programme they really belive in. But could be less enthusiastic about a watered down, compromise, big-tent deal.

Just some food for thought, don`t let it discourage you. And good luck!

I took that into consideration, but the label "conservative" according to the polls is not viewed unfavorably by the majority of Americans, whereas "liberal" is, and libertarian, like it or not, is associated with liberal. With money, we can get out the message that we are real, American Conservatives, not neocon globalist liberty-haters, which would improve the label tremendously.

 

[sailor]

It would seem effort to bring the Republican party back to its conservative roots would probably bring the rest back into the fold.

But the Republican party doesn`t have conservative roots to begin with. It just became a refuge for conservatives around the time of the great society.

 

[sailor]

Since it has not filed with the FEC, held a National Convention, and is called the American Conservative Party (I had intended to file it as the Conservative Party of the United States), there appears to be a need to file as soon as we can figure out what we are doing. Their forum activity indicates they have fallen into line with the GOP due to Palin, so we have a few months to move before they will even start to think of filing.

Good thinking. Conservative Party of the United States is a better name than American Conservative Party. It gives out the whole federalist decentralising wibe right away.

 

[nate895]

Good thinking. Conservative Party of the United States is a better name than American Conservative Party. It gives out the whole federalist decentralising wibe right away.

Yeah, I hate any national party with the term "American" in front of it. It really makes it seem like we are truly one nation, and there is no other "American" nation, which of course, there are dozens of others.

 

[The_Orlonater]

What about us Liberals?

 

[Havax]

The name Conservative party has too much of a stigma to begin with, terrible idea.

The LAST thing we need is to further divide the small # of people who share a liberty philosophy of constitutional adherence and limited government into another party. This is where Ron Paul has done an absolutely terrible job. His supporters are not evenly divided between Baldwin and Barr where neither will get a significant number of votes.

The plan should be to merge the two parties or have some sort of system where the CP and LP endorse one or the other during primary season. This would concentrate the maximum amount of votes for a 3rd party and make it more and more of a chance each year that a 3rd party candidate can actually be elected.

There is no better time now than to promote 3rd party as our economy is going to be in chaos and people will realize the R's and D's have no solutions other than band-aids on broken legs.

 

[nate895]

What about us Liberals?

As explained in a previous post, American Conservative=Classical liberalism/libertarianism.

 

[nate895]

The name Conservative party has too much of a stigma to begin with, terrible idea.

The LAST thing we need is to further divide the small # of people who share a liberty philosophy of constitutional adherence and limited government into another party. This is where Ron Paul has done an absolutely terrible job. His supporters are not evenly divided between Baldwin and Barr where neither will get a significant number of votes.

The plan should be to merge the two parties or have some sort of system where the CP and LP endorse one or the other during primary season. This would concentrate the maximum amount of votes for a 3rd party and make it more and more of a chance each year that a 3rd party candidate can actually be elected.

There is no better time now than to promote 3rd party as our economy is going to be in chaos and people will realize the R's and D's have no solutions other than band-aids on broken legs.

This party would be a combination of those two parties. Conservative Party is a good idea since it would have almost 40% of the voters already identifying with it, and more than half have "favorable" views of conservatism.

 

[The_Orlonater]

As explained in a previous post, American Conservative=Classical liberalism/libertarianism.

How the hell is that possible?

Most of you paleo-cons disagree with us classical liberals on social issues.

Some of you a protectionists, some of you don't support gay marriage and that the state shouldn't intervene in marriage, and you guys are probably pro-life too.

They're two different things. I'm not insulting anybody or anything.

Eh, I'll just start a "Liberal Party," if the LP tanks.