The Conservative Party (a REAL party)
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No mergers.
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I said to unite these factions behind one party. If those parties continue their operations despite an already successful third party's existence who has taken their membership, that is their choice.
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The word conservative has been hopelessly tarnished, you'll make NO headway using it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49oZDvTKXv0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49oZDvTKXv0
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Edit: Just because Lew Rockwell says something doesn't make it true. Simply from the fact that someone has stolen the name and used it for their own purposes, doesn't mean that I should rename my philosophy. If I do that, it is merely giving them a victory. This is a fight for the conservative movement, and I am not backing out of it just because a man who is smart, and yet doesn't vote, tells me to.
Anyway, conservative would make tons of headway.
The latest poll I could find, late 2005, had conservatives at 36%, "moderates" at 41%, and liberals at 18%.
Generally, things like that don't change much. Also, if you had money you could make clear your distaste for the war and other so-called "conservative" policies.
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umm
you do know that the Libertarian party was started by conservatives disenfranchised with the Republican party, right?
You must also know that the Constitution party was started by Libertarians disenfranchised by the Libertarian party right?
It seems adding yet ANOTHER party is exactly what is NOT needed. Unity of "third" parties would go a long way, however, all these different parties were started for a reason.
It would seem effort to bring the Republican party back to its conservative roots would probably bring the rest back into the fold.
you do know that the Libertarian party was started by conservatives disenfranchised with the Republican party, right?
You must also know that the Constitution party was started by Libertarians disenfranchised by the Libertarian party right?
It seems adding yet ANOTHER party is exactly what is NOT needed. Unity of "third" parties would go a long way, however, all these different parties were started for a reason.
It would seem effort to bring the Republican party back to its conservative roots would probably bring the rest back into the fold.
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The GOP cannot be retaken. I do know of the history of the third parties, and the CP was formed after Howard Philips distaste of the GOP as well. He didn't join the LP because of differences on several social issues.
If a new party can demonstrate strength and win a few seats in the House and Senate, most of the CP and LP will quickly fall into the party.
What you need to win a few seats and governor's mansions is money. All third parties currently lack it, but I believe that if this one could raise enough it can win offices throughout the country.
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This party can develop rules to keep opportunists like Barr from interfering with the future of the movement, and since the LP has been taken over by Glenn Beck-types, who are half on are side, half-not, we can make a party that is fully on our side, and reclaim the conservative title while we're at it. Let's set out to convert the masses, not vote for their shills.
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+1111 Competition between schools of thought on liberty keeps us strong.
Parties are silly, anyways. The only point of using the party system is to work within the system to bring reform.
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+1111 Competition between schools of thought on liberty keeps us strong.
The party system is the only way to unite us in the absence of Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the only thing keeping things together at this point, and we need something for when he eventually retires to rally behind, and since retaking the GOP is futile, and the CP and LP are tarnished and unsalvageable as brand names and cannot our several factions, a new party with Ron Paul's basic philosophy is the only way to unite us.
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The constitution party was formed by religious wingnuts who can't stomach real freedom
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Not all Constitutionalists are that way. Anyway, we can get them to vote for freedom, as evidenced by their support for Ron Paul. If you cannot compromise and let everyone agree to abide by the US Constitution and then go back to their state to govern that state the way they see fit, the movement will never go anywhere.
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I'm just wondering, are there other right-wing parties besides the Constituionalists and Libertarians that could be united into this new party as well?
Why not? Some of the biggest things like the money bomb happened purely on grassroots efforts alone.
Why not? Some of the biggest things like the money bomb happened purely on grassroots efforts alone.
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Yes, there is the conservative wing of the Reform Party (nearly defunct), the America First Party, Independent Conservatives, and numerous others that can be incorporated. None have a lot of ballot access or much of a money base besides the LP, CP, Reformers, disenchanted Republicans, and Independent Conservatives, but every little bit helps.
Edit: For a nearly complete list of political parties and descriptions go to: http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm.
The reason I was lamenting that we had to do it ourselves is that Ron Paul putting it together would mean that it would get immediate press, money, and loads of support. As it stands now, we need to go around to each Ron Paul site and try to get as many recruits as possible. If anyone has an account at the Daily Paul, I'd like for them to put this up there if they'd like to help.
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I'll serve in New Jersey
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Thank you, but I have found a problem which I didn't know about before. It appears that there is already a Conservative Party in New Jersey, and there is one in New York and Massachusetts as well. There is nothing filed with the FEC for anything on a National basis, which is what I was looking for originally, so it doesn't appear that there is a National party, and if there, we have to race them to file with the FEC first.
Anyway, you need to come up with a different name for the New Jersey party or attempt a takeover, which would appear to be easy on the account that there are 45 members in the entire state of New Jersey, behind everyone but the Natural Law Party.
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