Tennessee just became the first state that will jail women for their pregnancy outcomes

[tod evans]

Video is blocked at this office. It says the reason is: Pornography (Norwegian)

It's just a John Fogerty song about not believing the TV, nothing relevant to fetuses and umbilical/placental drug transfer..

 

[eduardo89]

It's just a John Fogerty song about not believing the TV, nothing relevant to fetuses and umbilical/placental drug transfer..

Oh, I was hoping it was Norwegian porn.

 

[Danke]

Video is blocked at this office. It says the reason is: Pornography (Norwegian)

It is?! I'd be looking for another place to work.

 

[Dogsoldier]

Addiction is a health and education problem.

Even the drug zar admitted this.

What other health and education problem do we deal with using the criminal justice system?

This is 1 of the best speeches I have seen on the war on drugs and why we have got to end it.

 

[Matt Collins]

Women are given opiods, benzo's, and ketamine to induce labor. Thiopental is even given in some cases.

What if the drugs are given to her by the medical industrial complex?

Don't you know how much drugs they load women up on when they are giving birth?

Valid point, yes... But the difference is that is given under close medical supervision by people with years of training and experience.

 

[Matt Collins]

Marijuana is illegal. Marijuana is harmless.

Please cite your medical degree and showing the peer-reviewed research showing that marijuana consumed by mothers with unborn babies is harmless.

 

[Matt Collins]

90+% of newborns who were exposed to smoking, drugs and booze were not born damaged, simply look at history...

Please cite a credible source for this information.

 

[Matt Collins]

No one should be locked in a cage to get treatments.

Some addicts need to be in controlled environments in order to receive treatment. Not saying that prison is the best place for that, but yes, some people do need to be in a controlled environment.

 

[Matt Collins]

let's wait until an addict has a baby and then jail her so maybe she'll get some treatment for something she should have been able to do as a free person, when it was still a victimless crime.

Except that when she is putting drugs in to her child's system at the same time, it is no longer a victimless crime.

 

[tod evans]

Valid point, yes... But the difference is that is given under close medical supervision by people with years of training and experience.

You're completely delusional!

Any competent doctor will tell you that a junkie knows more about how their specific body responds to a drug than the doctor.

Back when I worked in the Navy hospital we'd ask the junkies what worked for them for a reason, they knew...

The "years of training and experience" is more often than not fresh out of school especially in the lower income areas where one is likely to find junkies...

Try couching a real argument to advocate for this ridiculous and intrusive legislation.

 

[Matt Collins]

Smoking weed?

Borrowed an "illegal" pain-pill from her mother for the back pain associated with pregnancy...

Those activities are not done under the supervision of an educated and experienced medical professional. Thus it is dangerous and potentially harmful to the unborn child.

And even if she were sucking meth and heroin through a garden hose the very last person qualified to address it is a fucking politician!

I agree, but providing justice is a valid activity for the government to do. Trying to stop the individual from harming another individual is well within the powers and duties of the government.

And what is wrong with giving a prosecuting attorney the power to draw blood or check the urine of anyone, let alone a pregnant broad?

They shouldn't be able to, except under probable cause with a warrant issued by a neutral judge.

 

[tod evans]

Please cite a credible source for this information.

History and medical records, go look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

 

[Matt Collins]

You're completely delusional!

Any competent doctor will tell you that a junkie knows more about how their specific body responds to a drug than the doctor.

Maybe, although I doubt it. However, even if what you say is true, I assure you those "junkies" do not have any understanding of how those drugs will affect an unborn child.

 

[Matt Collins]

History and medical records, go look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Link?

 

[tod evans]

I agree, but providing justice is a valid activity for the government to do. Trying to stop the individual from harming another individual is well within the powers and duties of the government.
.

This is the closest you've come to attempting to couch a logical argument..

Now..........As the legislation you support is written, try to justify that actual harm is being done to the fetus..

I posted a link from Merck back in this thread, reading it might help you attempt to couch a convincing argument...

 

[tod evans]

Link?

No link will be provided.

You may either look it up yourself or continue to believe fallacy.

I lived it, I don't require computer documents, if you do then go find some.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Republicans pushing for junkies to get abortions....

Wonder how well that's going to go over..

GOP was divided. Dems were unanimous.

 

[Matt Collins]

No link will be provided.

You may either look it up yourself or continue to believe fallacy.

I lived it, I don't require computer documents, if you do then go find some.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

 

[tod evans]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Shove your logical fallacies right up your [mod delete]

 

[DamianTV]

Dangerous Doors to Open:

Whats next? Imprison mothers who smoke tobacco or drink alcohol at ANY point during their pregnancy? How about Aspirin? Or other over the counter drugs? Do we want to Drug Test all pregnant women for ALL pregnancy banned substances, including nicotine and tobacco? Ignore any big pharma drugs, including Opiates and other pharma drugs known to cause problems with pregnancies? Who gets to pay for their incarceration? Who gets paid for their incarceration?

Again, Govt hiding behind "safety of children" in order to expand Govt intrustion into EVERY aspect of your already overregulated lives.