Voluntarist
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... and no, I'm not talking about the red pill or the blue pill from the matrix, nor the birth control pill. I'm talking about RU-486 (mifepristone). Basically, I'm talking about the abortion issue in the 2024 election cycle. I don't think it's the issue that the Democrats are trying to make it out to be, nor the issue that religious conservatives want it to be. In that sense, I think Trump has been absolutely brilliant, Politically, he gave the religious conservatives what they wanted (repeal of Row vs Wade, to make it a state's issue) without imposing a federal mandate. For that portion of the electorate that reacts emotionally, it may still be an emotional issue, but (based upon their preconceived and heart-felt notions) they were going to vote Democratic or Republican anyway. I'm talking about that portion of the electorate that vote pragmatically, and realize, with the advent of telemedicine, that abortion in the first trimester is just a phone call away - that their rights to abortion have not been abridged.
That argument about partial-birth abortion just doesn't speak to them. If you want to know the truth about partial birth abortion, most of the mothers who undergo them really want the child to survive, but have come to the realization that their pre-born child is already dead or will be dead within moments or days of birth (I speak from experience). In general, and unlike miscarriages, most of those aborted fetuses have graves and memorials. So, if you're arguing partial-birth abortion, you've already lost the argument from the point of view of the general audience. Most of the women who underwent partial birth abortion really wanted to deliver healthy babies, they just came to the conclusion that it was a lost cause; and emotionally came to the conclusion that it was time to accept reality, undergo the stages of grief, and move on. In reality, despite what the pro-life forces want to portray, women don't go through six to nine months of pregnancy in order to celebrate an abortion. And if you think otherwise, you're just an idiot; accept it. Almost all of the partial-birth abortions you portray are tragedies to the women that undergo them (yet leave the mothers involved in a better state, physically and emotionally, to later conceive and give birth).
First trimester abortions? Sorry, if you're pro-life - you've lost the argument. The pro-abortion argument wins in every state (thanks to Donald Trump's repeal of Roe vs. Wade). You're only remaining argument is in the second trimester. And that argument is not principled (life begins at conception) but pragmatic (gee, it sure looks like a baby to me).
That argument about partial-birth abortion just doesn't speak to them. If you want to know the truth about partial birth abortion, most of the mothers who undergo them really want the child to survive, but have come to the realization that their pre-born child is already dead or will be dead within moments or days of birth (I speak from experience). In general, and unlike miscarriages, most of those aborted fetuses have graves and memorials. So, if you're arguing partial-birth abortion, you've already lost the argument from the point of view of the general audience. Most of the women who underwent partial birth abortion really wanted to deliver healthy babies, they just came to the conclusion that it was a lost cause; and emotionally came to the conclusion that it was time to accept reality, undergo the stages of grief, and move on. In reality, despite what the pro-life forces want to portray, women don't go through six to nine months of pregnancy in order to celebrate an abortion. And if you think otherwise, you're just an idiot; accept it. Almost all of the partial-birth abortions you portray are tragedies to the women that undergo them (yet leave the mothers involved in a better state, physically and emotionally, to later conceive and give birth).
First trimester abortions? Sorry, if you're pro-life - you've lost the argument. The pro-abortion argument wins in every state (thanks to Donald Trump's repeal of Roe vs. Wade). You're only remaining argument is in the second trimester. And that argument is not principled (life begins at conception) but pragmatic (gee, it sure looks like a baby to me).
