Tennessee just became the first state that will jail women for their pregnancy outcomes

[dannno]

I totally agree with this. If you give heroin to a newborn, you'll get arrested. If you give heroin to a baby 1 day before birth (by doing it yourself) you've committed no crime. It makes no sense.

They used to give opium to newborns back in the 1800s.

 

[tod evans]

I know you aren't a liberal, so I think you must missed the fact that every Democrat in the Senate voted for it, too. It's always the bi-partisan solutions that screw freedom the worst.

I suppose I could have added a bit about the Dems pushing to lock up "single mothers" too...:o


They're all evil! Those bastards trying to legislate morality and common sense all with the added bonus of lining their pockets...

 

[dannno]

What's wrong with that? If a woman is using drugs while pregnant then she is obviously harming her child.

What if the drugs are given to her by the medical industrial complex?

Don't you know how much drugs they load women up on when they are giving birth?

 

[tod evans]

They used to give opium to newborns back in the 1800s.

 

[angelatc]

I suppose I could have added a bit about the Dems pushing to lock up "single mothers" too...:o


They're all evil! Those bastards trying to legislate morality and common sense all with the added bonus of lining their pockets...

Democrats are always "for the children!" (Except when it comes to abortion. This law seems illogical in that context, but I don't want to get that all fired up again.)

Meh. State's rights. It's a stupid law which will have the government incarcerating women who ate a couple of poppy seed bagels before they even took a pregnancy test, but I don't live in Tennessee. The South isn't the North, and nor should it be.

 

[tod evans]

State's rights. It's a stupid law which will have the government incarcerating women who ate a couple of poppy seed bagels before they even took a pregnancy test, but I don't live in Tennessee.

First they came for the Tennesseeans...

 

[Philhelm]

As I said on my facebook post regarding this:

"Ah, Tennessee. Because nothing is more effective at stopping addiction than throwing the mentally ill & addicted into prison. "Opponents, including many medical organizations and doctors who treat pregnant women, worry that criminalization will scare women away from treatment ..." Don't worry doctors and medical/mental health professionals - don't you know the government knows best? Especially ones who will never be pregnant once in their lives? All those years of medical school, patient interaction, professional experience... I mean really, a guy behind a desk signing off on bills who has a bachelor's degree in History can totally understand it. No big deal."

I don't say "Bachelor's Degree in History," because I don't measure an individual's worth by the degree obtained, regardless of the recipient's race, age, gender, sex, sexual expression, or sexual orientation.

 

[moostraks]

What's wrong with that? If a woman is using drugs while pregnant then she is obviously harming her child.

And just how do you think they will prove in an equal untargeted fashion a pregnant gal abused drugs? Why just add another mandatory screening on all pregnant women perchance? And what about those with false positives for poppy seeds? Just collateral damage? Acceptable losses for the sake of the children? Guess if we womenz don't like it we can just not have children on the off chance we might get a false positive and face a CPS interrogation, and highly probable loss of our children. (Down and dirty on CPS is they are only looking for a toe in the door and will suck up bright children to appease foster parents with unproductive wombs) This is another crap law to be more intrusive into the lives of families and those that support it should think long and hard about how govt always takes a mile when given a millimeter.

 

[moostraks]

What if the drugs are given to her by the medical industrial complex?

Don't you know how much drugs they load women up on when they are giving birth?

Ain't that the truth!

 

[angelatc]

I don't say "Bachelor's Degree in History," because I don't measure an individual's worth by the degree obtained, regardless of the recipient's race, age, gender, sex, sexual expression, or sexual orientation.

It isn't about "worth." It's about expertise. I dare say an argument could be made that a practicing female OB with kids of her own knows infinitely more about the myriad of issues that pregnant women face than a single, childless male OB with 20 years more experience. But it's never that cut and dry. He might be the better clinician, while she has a better bedside manner which gives her more information to work with.

Either way, both of them know more than the 20-something newly minted politicians.

It would be really nice to see the healthcare industry grow a spine and refuse to hand over patient records, though. They are not entirely blameless in this.

 

[angelatc]

What if the drugs are given to her by the medical industrial complex?

Don't you know how much drugs they load women up on when they are giving birth?

They could have given me more. I was disappointed that I was still conscious.

 

[donnay]

What happens when the hospital gives the pregnant mother morphine? That's okay?

 

[tod evans]

What happens when the hospital gives the pregnant mother morphine? That's okay?

 

[donnay]

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That's what happened to my daughter and then the hospital did blood work and said she had opiates in her blood and they wouldn't let my daughter leave the hospital with the baby. Entrapment!!

 

[angelatc]

What if the drugs are given to her by the medical industrial complex?

What happens when the hospital gives the pregnant mother morphine?

They said clearly "illegal" in the article.

 

[donnay]

They said clearly "illegal" in the article.

They were accusing my daughter of being on HEROIN! Opiates in blood stream--they gave her MORPHINE, then denied it.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Why not? If a man harms an unborn fetus, they can be charged with murder. So why not the woman too?

 

[tod evans]

Why not? If a man harms an unborn fetus, they can be charged with murder. So why not the woman too?

"Drugs" don't equate to harm...

Please reevaluate your thought process...

 

[Thor]

They said clearly "illegal" in the article.

Morphine is illegal, if it is obtained or used outside the medical industrial complex.

Just like too many Oxycontin scripts...

So, if you use Oxycontin, even if it is a legal script? Are you OK... but if you use too many of the "legal" product and abuse it, then you are guilty? What is next? Alcohol? Tobacco? Will eating mercury laden tuna from Japan that hits high on the radiation scale while pregnant be a crime next? What about GMO franken foods loaded with bt toxin for your fetus? Or too many Cheetos and Coke and not enough (organic) fruits and veggies while pregnant?

Of course all these things are bad for you to some degree or another and in some quantity or another... and probably worse for a fetus. But to what degree does the policing need to go? Where is the line drawn? The ever encroaching line. What we deem illegal today, versus illegal tomorrow...

Related:

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/diet-mother-can-lead-alterations-her-child%E2%80%99s-dna

Diet of Mother Can Lead to Alterations in Her Child’s DNA

A new study, published in Nature Communications, has found that maternal diet around the time of conception can influence certain properties of the child’s DNA. This could have lifelong implications.

The researchers that conducted this study weren't looking at the actual DNA sequences of the children; they wanted to see whether the diet of the mother was capable of causing epigenetic changes. Epigenetics refers to changes in gene expression that occur without alterations in the DNA sequence itself.

One example of epigenetic modification is DNA methylation, which involves the addition of methyl groups to certain bits of DNA. Methyl groups can be obtained from the diet by eating certain foods, for example those containing choline or particular vitamins such as B6 and B12.

It was demonstrated previously that maternal diet prior to conception can induce epigenetic changes in the offspring of mice, but the same had not been investigated in humans prior to this study.

Scientists chose to study pregnant women in rural Gambia because populations here are dependent on foods that they have grown themselves and therefore their diets are different between the dry and rainy seasons. 84 women that conceived at the peak of the rainy season and 83 women that conceived at the peak of the dry season participated in the study.

The team took blood samples from the mothers in order to compare differences in nutrition; in particular they wanted to look at the levels of substances that can donate methyl groups, and therefore possibly influence DNA methylation. When they later investigated the DNA of the children they found that those conceived during the rainy season had higher rates of methylation in all of the genes studied when compared with those conceived during the dry season. They found that these changes were associated with maternal nutrient levels; in particular two amino acids called cysteine and homocysteine. They also found that increased maternal body mass index was associated with lower rates of infant DNA methylation.

It’s important to note that while associations were made between maternal diet and infant DNA methylation, this study did not investigate the consequences that this may have on the children. Although this initial study involved a small number of participants, the team believe that the data is important and hope to progress the work with larger, more in-depth studies.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

"Drugs" don't equate to harm...

How, exactly, don't they? If you smoke, do drugs or drink alcohol while pregnant, and as a direct result the baby is born deformed, has brain damage, dies or whatever, how in the hell does that not "equate to harm"?