So far the recount is showing discrepancies

[JMann]

According to this blogger who is onsite observing the recount, these problems have arisen form improper marking on the ballots. Some wards missed hundreds of votes because of they used the wrong type of ink. He also said that ALL the memory cards for the Diebold machines have gone missing. There are attorneys onsite observing as well.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5568

This was my guess before I got down to read your post. The conspiracy, black helicopter, the polls are wrong Ron Paul supporters are always looking for something in the shadows.

The same with the Algore supporters that couldn't vote properly (and in my view most should be voting anyway) then blaming the system. The hanging chad folks. Look you f'ing idiot if you can't punch a piece of paper out of a ballot I don't think you should be voting. If you can't fill in a bubble or complete the arrow (my ballots) than just do the patriotic thing and let competent people do the voting.

 

[jnpg]

Hillsborough Manchester Ward 11

Is a big discrepancy =
Paul vs. Romney
Old score Paul:2 Romney: 9
New score Paul:6 Romney:7

If little scores like this show up in even 10% of the wards- that is a big issue for anyone who gives a fig about fair elections.

 

[liberty_Forever]

"I thought we were smarter than this."... That's a really arrogant statement!

If you don't care about the recount, then don't post on this thread.

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

i just don't get it. how can they have so many mistakes? i don't care what any of you say, this recount is worth doing. these elections shouldn't be vague approximations of the totals. every vote should count and be counted accurately. this shit isn't hard.

even if it's something as simple as using the wrong ink, PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. Why didn't we hear about that problem before? the people in charge there should not be involved next time. i'm baffled by the apparent lack of interest in many people to actually get these totals exactly correct.

 

[Edu]

"Let's use computers to make the vote more accurate" as they take the People's money to buy badly designed and programmed machines.

 

[jblosser]

Don't forget that humans are MORE likely to make counting mistakes than the machines. If there's a discrepancy, it seems like nobody here has even considered that the human counters could be off by a few votes.

The purpose of this job is to see that there was no hacking of the machines or other types of fraud. The machines will produce a more accurate count than the humans, but I still don't like them due to the hacking possibility.

A human count involves multiple people counting with other people over their shoulder watching. It doesn't have to be any worse than a machine count for accuracy.

 

[JMann]

You are talking about votes I could count on my hands. Any time you count something more than once with human error intertwined you will get different numbers.

Marking ballots with ink pens DOES introduce a human element, and optical recognition is not going to be 100% accurate in that regard.

I thought we were smarter than this.

You thought wrong. This is the reason that all voting needs a paper trial unlike the touch screens, but if someone loses an election by 1% the get a free recount. These stuff is what makes Paul look like a lunatic and made Algore look insane. I remember watching MSNBC back in 2000 and they used to have like four chicks doing the morning show. Every day for a month they would sit there with a flip chart listing the counties and would mark through the numbers with hypotheticals saying if Gore picks up 10 votes in this county and Bush loses 15 in that country than Gore wins. They sat there for a month trying to work out solutions to have Algore win. You think FOX is biased that MSNBC crap was the worst reporting in the history of reporting.

 

[LilGator]

I have never said that I don't care about the recount. I do, however, disagree with the thread title and everyone jumping to conclusions without applying a little reason to the matter.

 

[liberty_Forever]

Public, open, and verified hand counts are far more accurate.

I agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions either

 

[Swmorgan77]

Statistical wash. C'mon people, move on already.

So we should only ensure the votes are accurate if it has the potential to make us win?

Come on! We need to do this as a message to those who would manipulate later elections.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

You are talking about votes I could count on my hands. Any time you count something more than once with human error intertwined you will get different numbers.

Marking ballots with ink pens DOES introduce a human element, and optical recognition is not going to be 100% accurate in that regard.

I thought we were smarter than this.

I don't care if it is one vote. This is America and each and every person should have their vote counted accurately.

 

[slamhead]

This was my guess before I got down to read your post. The conspiracy, black helicopter, the polls are wrong Ron Paul supporters are always looking for something in the shadows.

The same with the Algore supporters that couldn't vote properly (and in my view most should be voting anyway) then blaming the system. The hanging chad folks. Look you f'ing idiot if you can't punch a piece of paper out of a ballot I don't think you should be voting. If you can't fill in a bubble or complete the arrow (my ballots) than just do the patriotic thing and let competent people do the voting.

This is not an issue where RP gets more votes, it is a test of our election process. I don't expect RP to move up but I want an explanation especially on the Dem side why there was such a strange anomaly between Hillary and Obama.

 

[JMann]

i just don't get it. how can they have so many mistakes? i don't care what any of you say, this recount is worth doing. these elections shouldn't be vague approximations of the totals. every vote should count and be counted accurately. this shit isn't hard.

even if it's something as simple as using the wrong ink, PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. Why didn't we hear about that problem before? the people in charge there should not be involved next time. i'm baffled by the apparent lack of interest in many people to actually get these totals exactly correct.

There will always be errors no matter how you count the vote. There is a difference between error and fraud and I've yet to see any proof of any outright fraud but I have seen evidence of stupid people not being able to vote properly and those votes shouldn't count.

 

[Pete Kay]

I have never said that I don't care about the recount. I do, however, disagree with the thread title and everyone jumping to conclusions without applying a little reason to the matter.

Well, the thread title is changed now. And I do think the dicrepancies are big. Maybe not for Paul but for larger vote counts they are off by up to ten votes in one ward. Though these differences are small, if you add up every single ward and every single county that may push the difference to a percentage point. Even half a percentage point spread between candidates is grounds for an automatic recount. The point of the recount is to ensure transparency in the elections. Do you think Kucinich thinks that he is going to pull a win out of this?

 

[liberty_Forever]

NH CONTEST: DIEBOLD MISCOUNTS REPORTED ACROSS MANY CANDIDATES, WARDS, IN FIRST DAY OF ELECTION CONTEST HAND COUNTS

I'm told that the manufacturers of the optical-scan machines (in this case, Diebold) have estimated an expected error rate of 1% on this type of tallying device which, as noted by one of our contacts in NH, is ridiculous, if you consider that most states and counties only kick in "automatic recounts" when the margin between the two leading candidates is less than .5% or so.

"When you have a private company counting 80% of the votes, and you later learn that the memory cards are unaccounted for, you have a serious question about the transparency and accountability in that process," Bonifaz said.

He notes that federal law requires all materials from elections be preserved for 22 months after the election. So if those materials have already been lost, destroyed, or over-written, there are legal questions that must be addressed.

source: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5568

 

[GJ-CO4RonPaul]

I have never said that I don't care about the recount. I do, however, disagree with the thread title and everyone jumping to conclusions without applying a little reason to the matter.

It is pretty obvious that you don't care about 1 person = 1 vote from all your posts in this thread.

If you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote then you are anti democratic and should find residence somewhere where the government makes all the choices for you, say umm China.

when I vote on super Tuesday I want to make sure that me my mine vote is counted. The fact that there are any discrepancies,which there are many apparently, is extremely alarming! This is 2008, we have learned the art of counting long ago, but apparently in America we can't figure it out, even in our most important event, voting.

 

[Edu]

Sorry, I forgot to say..

Why can't we get two receipts with a (somewhat) random number on it and later be able to go check it on a public (Sec of State) web site. Drop one receipt in the ballot box for later confirmation and hand recounts.

You go look up the number on a list, see if your vote matches, if not you report it etc...

Everyone can take the data and make totals. Even make it a XML file so it's easy to check.

Now you can use Open Source software on the machines because everyone can check the results at the polls and at the end.

 

[JMann]

I don't care if it is one vote. This is America and each and every person should have their vote counted accurately.

I think the votes are being counted accurately when the voter follows directions. If the voter fails to complete the ballot as instructed the vote shouldn't count because it then requires a human to determine the intent of the voter. For example a bubble halfway filled in. The machine may not count it because it wasn't completed properly. You do a hand count and the human then gets to decide if a half filled in bubble means the person intended to vote for that person or if the person changed their mind and decided not to vote for the candidate. There is no perfect system but we are damn near it in America when compared to other places.

 

[liberty_Forever]

There is no perfect system but we are damn near it in America when compared to other places.

What are you talking about!!! America doesn't even meet the international election standards WE impose on OTHER COUNTRIES.. Do you remember the vote fraud in Ohio in 2004? Or the 2000 election?

 

[JMann]

It is pretty obvious that you don't care about 1 person = 1 vote from all your posts in this thread.

If you don't believe in 1 person = 1 vote then you are anti democratic and should find residence somewhere where the government makes all the choices for you, say umm China.

when I vote on super Tuesday I want to make sure that me my mine vote is counted. The fact that there are any discrepancies,which there are many apparently, is extremely alarming! This is 2008, we have learned the art of counting long ago, but apparently in America we can't figure it out, even in our most important event, voting.

Personally I feel that only property owners should vote, so no I don't believe in one person one vote. If you don't have an investment in the country than you should remain a surf.