Smoote-Hawley Tarriff

RON PAUL ON TARIFFS AND FREE TRADE​

http://www.24hgold.com/english/contributor.aspx?article=2264522316G10020&contributor=Ron+Paul
It’s easy for some lawmakers to make emotional arguments that tariffs are needed to protect the jobs of American steelworkers, but we never hear about the jobs that will be lost or never created when the cost of steel rises 30 percent. Tariffs are taxes, and imposing new tariffs means raising taxes. Apparently no one in the administration has read Henry Hazlitt’s classic economics text, Economics in one Lesson. Professor Hazlitt’s fundamental lesson was simple: We must examine economic policy by considering the long-term effects of any proposal on all groups. The administration instead chose to focus only on the immediate effects of steel tariffs on one group, the domestic steel industry. This has nothing to do with fairness, and everything to do with political favors. The free market is fair; it alone justly rewards the worthiest competitors. Tariffs reward the strongest Washington lobbies.
(In the first sentence, he's clearly referring to the argument I've made that the the displacement of ADDITIONAL CAPITAL that's caused by imposing ADDITIONAL COSTS which suck out capital from OTHER AREAS of the economy, which means MORE JOBS ARE LOST than the ones created due to tariffs & thereby LOWER production & good/services, HIGHER prices & LOWER living standards for the country as a whole)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul254.html
We don't need government agreements to have free trade. We merely need to lower or eliminate taxes on the American people, without regard to what other nations do. Remember, tariffs are simply taxes on consumers. Americans have always bought goods from abroad; the only question is how much our government taxes us for doing so. As economist Henry Hazlitt explained, tariffs simply protect politically-favored special interests at the expense of consumers, while lowering wages across the economy as a whole. Hazlitt, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and countless other economists have demolished every fallacy concerning tariffs, proving conclusively that unilateral elimination of tariffs benefits the American people. We don't need CAFTA or any other international agreement to reap the economic benefits promised by CAFTA supporters, we only need to change our own harmful economic and tax policies. Let the rest of the world hurt their citizens with tariffs; if we simply reduce tariffs and taxes at home, we will attract capital and see our economy flourish.

http://www.24hgold.com/english/contributor.aspx?article=2264302086G10020&contributor=Ron+Paul
The same free-market principles that compel me to oppose subsidies apply to tariffs as well. Simply put, tariffs are taxes. Like subsidies, tariffs are paid for by American taxpayers and consumers. I vote against tariffs for the same reasons I vote against any federal taxes- I want to get the federal government out of your pocketbook. Many tariff bills in Congress are touted as pro-American, but they really just raise taxes by stealth. In a free society, consumers must be allowed to buy goods from abroad if they so choose. Americans should not be taxed simply because they determine that their family budgets are better served by purchasing an imported item.
 
The question I have is what profit margins were steel companies making before offshoring and what are they making now? If they are higher now, does the steel price necessarily have to increase?

I guess that's something else that has to do with the irrational stock market mentality. Profit margins must always increase and never go down, for any reason, even if it's perfectly rational. SELL! SELL!

*roll eyes*
 
Originally Posted by Travlyr
No they don't. They are the mafia. I disagree with your premise.

I seems to me that the oligarchs and corporatists get their power from counterfeiting. Counterfeiting fiat currency is not moral or based on the rule of law. Then they hire "politicians", military & police, public schooling, media, and continuing education (Hollywood) to fulfill their agenda.

They certainly do not derive any of their power from the Constitution.
Oh, oh, and who created the Fed.
The Federal Reserve System was created by an illegal conspiracy of international bankers. It is unconstitutional. They have operated without legitimate authority for nearly 100 years. The creators would have hung from ropes if the people had known about the nine day conspiracy to take-over the American government concocted at Jekyll Island in November 1910. International banker Paul Warburg came to America in 1902 to subvert the American form of government. He and his gang were successful with their coup d'état when Wilson symbolically signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913 and the New York Times pretended it was legitimate. It had no constitutional authority then, and it has no constitutional authority now. Just because the media says it does does not make it true. We are being ruled by an illegitimate mob of thieves. It only sounds legitimate because The Washington Post tells you it is.

Who has the direct power to revoke Fed's authority?
Definition of REPUBLIC
1

a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government
The only legitimate legislators are the ones who bind themselves to Constitutional principles. They swear an Oath to do. Anything they do outside of the their sworn duty is not legitimate. They are not acting within the bounds of any constitution. They are an illegal member of the mafia. They have no legal authority. They have guns, a printing press, media shills, and an indoctrinated populace. It is not a legitimate government. They SWEAR an OATH to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Legislators who fail to live up to their sworn duties are acting without authority.

Who makes all the "regulations" that allow corporatists to eliminate competitors & profiteer at the expense of American people? Who runs supports the Military-Industrial-Complex? Who runs propaganda machine called public schools? Who stopped following the Constitution even though they should NOT have?

Here's the answer - THE GOVERNMENT & POLITICIANS
That is what the media tells you. Don't believe it. Here's the answer - The Mafia

They've all the power with them to undo all those things but the problem is that almost all politicians & governments are always bought, that's the whole reason for limiting their power & size so saying that oligarchs & corporatists don't get their power from government & politicians is ridiculous, of course, they do. The whole purpose of limiting government is to limit the power of the plutocrats because whether government is big or small, for the most part, it almost always is run by the plutocrats; that's how it was during early American history too, even though the government was small, the rich farmers controlled the Southern politics while rich industrialists & bankers controlled the Northern politics, this is exactly how the plutocrats get their power ie THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT & POLITICIANS

Where do they get their authority to rule? Unlimited money out-of-nothing pays for military, police, media, and indoctrination to subvert the rule of law. Their power comes from the primal urge to control others not rule of law. They have been the enemy of liberty since the times of Babylon.
 
The question I have is what profit margins were steel companies making before offshoring and what are they making now? If they are higher now, does the steel price necessarily have to increase?

I guess that's something else that has to do with the irrational stock market mentality. Profit margins must always increase and never go down, for any reason, even if it's perfectly rational. SELL! SELL!

*roll eyes*

I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs. The price has doubled.
Bethlehem Steel did themselves in, first by hiring a GE exec as CEO who then restructured the company in 1980 to include 5 CEO's....lol
During the 1980s and 1990s, Bethlehem raised nearly $1 billion with equity offerings just to keep up with management benefits and annuitize a large portion of the supplemental retirement benefits scheduled to go to top company executives.
At the same time, their main competitor, US Steel owned by JP Morgan was consolidating the industry and moving overseas to flood the market with cheaper steel. JP Morgan was a large advocate of NAFTA that allowed for cheaper imports and Bethlehem Steel with their behemoth management and exuberant pay couldn't keep up.
Prior to Bethlehem Steel's management giveaway, they made huge profits and their CEO's were the highest payed in US history.
JP Morgan has always made a profit and after consolidating the industry through acquisitions and getting NAFTA passed, they flooded the market with cheaper steel and then jacked up their price once they eliminated the competition.
Most of the steel produced now comes from China through Canada and Mexico.
You can see who is currently manipulating the market here
 
I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs. The price has doubled.

So it's only doubled in 30 years? So it's cheaper then, accounting for inflation.

LOL.

Protectionists hate individual property rights, and are essentially collectivst statists.

Goodnight Irene.
 
So it's only doubled in 30 years? So it's cheaper then, accounting for inflation.

LOL.

Protectionists hate individual property rights, and are essentially collectivst statists.

Goodnight Irene.

No, the biggest increase came in 2001 and has steadily increased since. Prior to then, it pretty much stayed the same for a long time except when it was briefly lowered to kill any competition. This has happened to almost all materials. Once the manufacturers moved, they lowered their prices to kill the competition and then substantially raised them. PVC is another example that was made here. When Bush invaded Afghanistan after the Taliban kicked Chevron out, the pipeline from the Caspian sea had already been built through Tajikistan and a few miles into Afghanistan. When war broke out, PVC manufacturers quickly moved to Tajikistan since they could now obtain a cheap supply of oil and not worry about pollution. As soon as American manufacturers (competition) closed down, the price almost doubled just like steel.

Again, you fail to grasp the basic concept that your world does not exist and never will. Brazil went from almost dead last economically to the #5 spot in the world in less than 10 years. I watched Eike Batista being interviewed on Charlie Rose not too long ago and he was laughing at us for chopping our own foot off with NAFTA. He didn't understand how Americans were being so passive about corporate greed shipping their jobs away. They have policy of anything made or built must use at least 85% Bazillion materials and labor. The tax rate after that is huge and it has payed off tremendously. Brazilians now boasts the 3rd highest number of millionaires in the world, behind China and India. They have been building a huge port city and opened up their own steel mills and manufacturing plants so they don't have to rely on Chinese materials and goods. They are also drilling for their own oil. Brazil is booming under protectionist measures, just like this country used to do. you're arguments are baseless.
 
No, the biggest increase came in 2001 and has steadily increased since. Prior to then, it pretty much stayed the same for a long time except when it was briefly lowered to kill any competition. This has happened to almost all materials. Once the manufacturers moved, they lowered their prices to kill the competition and then substantially raised them. PVC is another example that was made here. When Bush invaded Afghanistan after the Taliban kicked Chevron out, the pipeline from the Caspian sea had already been built through Tajikistan and a few miles into Afghanistan. When war broke out, PVC manufacturers quickly moved to Tajikistan since they could now obtain a cheap supply of oil and not worry about pollution. As soon as American manufacturers (competition) closed down, the price almost doubled just like steel.

Again, you fail to grasp the basic concept that your world does not exist and never will. Brazil went from almost dead last economically to the #5 spot in the world in less than 10 years. I watched Eike Batista being interviewed on Charlie Rose not too long ago and he was laughing at us for chopping our own foot off with NAFTA. He didn't understand how Americans were being so passive about corporate greed shipping their jobs away. They have policy of anything made or built must use at least 85% Bazillion materials and labor. The tax rate after that is huge and it has payed off tremendously. Brazilians now boasts the 3rd highest number of millionaires in the world, behind China and India. They have been building a huge port city and opened up their own steel mills and manufacturing plants so they don't have to rely on Chinese materials and goods. They are also drilling for their own oil. Brazil is booming under protectionist measures, just like this country used to do. you're arguments are baseless.

You didn't even address his point. The fact is, the inflation adjusted price of steel has fallen in the time frame you gave.
 
You didn't even address his point. The fact is, the inflation adjusted price of steel has fallen in the time frame you gave.

First sentence, last post:
"No, the biggest increase came in 2001 and has steadily increased since.

Previous post, first sentence:
I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs.

Separate sentence:
The price has doubled.

"JP Morgan has always made a profit and after consolidating the industry through acquisitions and getting NAFTA passed, they flooded the market with cheaper steel and then jacked up their price once they eliminated the competition."

Now what about this time frame did you and ProIndividual not understand?
hint:
When was NAFTA passed and expanded to include China?
 
First sentence, last post:
"No, the biggest increase came in 2001 and has steadily increased since.

Previous post, first sentence:
I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs.

Separate sentence:
The price has doubled.

"JP Morgan has always made a profit and after consolidating the industry through acquisitions and getting NAFTA passed, they flooded the market with cheaper steel and then jacked up their price once they eliminated the competition."

Now what about this time frame did you and ProIndividual not understand?
hint:
When was NAFTA passed and expanded to include China?

Why do you always debunk your own arguments? Your quotes prove that I'm right.
 
The question I have is what profit margins were steel companies making before offshoring and what are they making now? If they are higher now, does the steel price necessarily have to increase?

I guess that's something else that has to do with the irrational stock market mentality. Profit margins must always increase and never go down, for any reason, even if it's perfectly rational. SELL! SELL!

*roll eyes*

He's curious about profit margins and their role in steel prices.

I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs. The price has doubled.
Bethlehem Steel did themselves in, first by hiring a GE exec as CEO who then restructured the company in 1980 to include 5 CEO's....lol
During the 1980s and 1990s, Bethlehem raised nearly $1 billion with equity offerings just to keep up with management benefits and annuitize a large portion of the supplemental retirement benefits scheduled to go to top company executives.
At the same time, their main competitor, US Steel owned by JP Morgan was consolidating the industry and moving overseas to flood the market with cheaper steel. JP Morgan was a large advocate of NAFTA that allowed for cheaper imports and Bethlehem Steel with their behemoth management and exuberant pay couldn't keep up.
Prior to Bethlehem Steel's management giveaway, they made huge profits and their CEO's were the highest payed in US history.
JP Morgan has always made a profit and after consolidating the industry through acquisitions and getting NAFTA passed, they flooded the market with cheaper steel and then jacked up their price once they eliminated the competition.
Most of the steel produced now comes from China through Canada and Mexico.
You can see who is currently manipulating the market here

You state that steel has doubled, and that it means they are in on a conspiracy to raise prices.

So it's only doubled in 30 years? So it's cheaper then, accounting for inflation.

LOL.

Protectionists hate individual property rights, and are essentially collectivst statists.

Goodnight Irene.

He points out that the price of steel doubling in dollars since 1981 means that it actually fell when adjusted for inflation.


No, the biggest increase came in 2001 and has steadily increased since. Prior to then, it pretty much stayed the same for a long time except when it was briefly lowered to kill any competition. This has happened to almost all materials. Once the manufacturers moved, they lowered their prices to kill the competition and then substantially raised them. PVC is another example that was made here. When Bush invaded Afghanistan after the Taliban kicked Chevron out, the pipeline from the Caspian sea had already been built through Tajikistan and a few miles into Afghanistan. When war broke out, PVC manufacturers quickly moved to Tajikistan since they could now obtain a cheap supply of oil and not worry about pollution. As soon as American manufacturers (competition) closed down, the price almost doubled just like steel.

Again, you fail to grasp the basic concept that your world does not exist and never will. Brazil went from almost dead last economically to the #5 spot in the world in less than 10 years. I watched Eike Batista being interviewed on Charlie Rose not too long ago and he was laughing at us for chopping our own foot off with NAFTA. He didn't understand how Americans were being so passive about corporate greed shipping their jobs away. They have policy of anything made or built must use at least 85% Bazillion materials and labor. The tax rate after that is huge and it has payed off tremendously. Brazilians now boasts the 3rd highest number of millionaires in the world, behind China and India. They have been building a huge port city and opened up their own steel mills and manufacturing plants so they don't have to rely on Chinese materials and goods. They are also drilling for their own oil. Brazil is booming under protectionist measures, just like this country used to do. you're arguments are baseless.

Your response states that the price of steel remained flat(which means it fell sharply when adjusted for inflation) for 20 years. It did not raise until there was a war, and supply shortages in the United States. The price of steel fell for the first 20 years, and then doubled during the next 10 year period. The dollar has lost nearly half its value since 2001, meaning that the price still did not increase by much at all from 2001-2011. Your timeframe also means that the price fell during the first five years of NAFTA.


LOL
 
He's curious about profit margins and their role in steel prices.

I addressed that



You state that steel has doubled, and that it means they are in on a conspiracy to raise prices.

I addressed who did it



He points out that the price of steel doubling in dollars since 1981 means that it actually fell when adjusted for inflation.

Nobody ever stated it doubled since 1981....again...I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs, your conclusion is baseless and you obviously do not buy steel. You are twisting words around and getting it wrong again. Please share....lol




Your response states that the price of steel remained flat(which means it fell sharply when adjusted for inflation) for 20 years. It did not raise until there was a war, and supply shortages in the United States. The price of steel fell for the first 20 years, and then doubled during the next 10 year period. The dollar has lost nearly half its value since 2001, meaning that the price still did not increase by much at all from 2001-2011. Your timeframe also means that the price fell during the first five years of NAFTA.

First, the price did not fall. You are simply twisting things around that you have no understanding of. When was the last time you bought a few tons of steel?

Second, the war has nothing at all to do with the price of steel and there was no such shortage...you pulled that out of your....?

Thirdly, the price doubled shortly after JP Morgan's NAFTA and once the competition was eliminated which is exactly what would happen to everything and anything under your free trade utopia.

I notice that you never really offer anything to these posts. Only your opinions and copy/paste someone else argument for your own use and then twisting words around while never really grasping what was being stated. It's quite annoying, I am trying to be as polite as possible when I say this in the hope that in the future, you will actually do research on your own and maybe read what somebody else posted a little more carefully, rather than breezing over it, spinning the words and trying to trap people into one of the stupid debate tactics that are being used by people without any real leg to stand on. Please, do us all a favor and post something that you have actually done research on. I actually like reading links that I might not have seen before.....and please, we all can see what's on the first pages of google. :)
 
I addressed that





I addressed who did it





Nobody ever stated it doubled since 1981....again...I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs, your conclusion is baseless and you obviously do not buy steel. You are twisting words around and getting it wrong again. Please share....lol






First, the price did not fall. You are simply twisting things around that you have no understanding of. When was the last time you bought a few tons of steel?

Second, the war has nothing at all to do with the price of steel and there was no such shortage...you pulled that out of your....?

Thirdly, the price doubled shortly after JP Morgan's NAFTA and once the competition was eliminated which is exactly what would happen to everything and anything under your free trade utopia.

I notice that you never really offer anything to these posts. Only your opinions and copy/paste someone else argument for your own use and then twisting words around while never really grasping what was being stated. It's quite annoying, I am trying to be as polite as possible when I say this in the hope that in the future, you will actually do research on your own and maybe read what somebody else posted a little more carefully, rather than breezing over it, spinning the words and trying to trap people into one of the stupid debate tactics that are being used by people without any real leg to stand on. Please, do us all a favor and post something that you have actually done research on. I actually like reading links that I might not have seen before.....and please, we all can see what's on the first pages of google. :)

Anybody who reads my post is going to laugh at you, again, as they have done during your first 294 posts. 294 posts that have been filled with nothing but links to other peoples arguments(frequently unions), ancedotal evidence, the rejection of all axioms and empirical evidence, graphs and terminology that you don't understand, blatant contradictions, childish insults, the confession that you work for a union(which probably benefits from tariffs), and claims about how Austrian economists are in on an international conspiracy theory(which is ironic given that Unions tend to benefit from tariffs).

Here is a prime example.

Nobody ever stated it doubled since 1981

I have been working with steel for over 30 yrs. The price has doubled.

From your own mouth. You can't even look back 4 posts, or read where I quoted you the post before.

Anyone reading this will see that this doesn't make sense. You said yourself that the price remained about the same for 20 years, which does not fit with the argument that NAFTA would raise steel prices, as that means it did not rise for years until after NAFTA was passed.

Your entire post makes no sense, as usual.
 
Anybody who reads my post is going to laugh at you, again, as they have done during your first 294 posts. 294 posts that have been filled with nothing but links to other peoples arguments(frequently unions), ancedotal evidence, the rejection of all axioms and empirical evidence, graphs and terminology that you don't understand, blatant contradictions, childish insults, the confession that you work for a union(which probably benefits from tariffs), and claims about how Austrian economists are in on an international conspiracy theory(which is ironic given that Unions tend to benefit from tariffs).

Here is a prime example.





From your own mouth. You can't even look back 4 posts, or read where I quoted you the post before.

Anyone reading this will see that this doesn't make sense. You said yourself that the price remained about the same for 20 years, which does not fit with the argument that NAFTA would raise steel prices, as that means it did not rise for years until after NAFTA was passed.

Your entire post makes no sense, as usual.

Your lack of comprehension and stupid debate tactics will not work here so stop putting words in my posts that do not exist. You are doing nothing but stirring up shit so please go fuck with somebody else from behind your keyboard. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours. Have a great day.
 
Anybody who reads my post is going to laugh at you, again, as they have done during your first 294 posts. 294 posts that have been filled with nothing but links to other peoples arguments(frequently unions), ancedotal evidence, the rejection of all axioms and empirical evidence, graphs and terminology that you don't understand, blatant contradictions, childish insults, the confession that you work for a union(which probably benefits from tariffs), and claims about how Austrian economists are in on an international conspiracy theory(which is ironic given that Unions tend to benefit from tariffs).

Here is a prime example.





From your own mouth. You can't even look back 4 posts, or read where I quoted you the post before.

Anyone reading this will see that this doesn't make sense. You said yourself that the price remained about the same for 20 years, which does not fit with the argument that NAFTA would raise steel prices, as that means it did not rise for years until after NAFTA was passed.

Your entire post makes no sense, as usual.

Just goes to show that these people are not only ignorant of economics but just OUTRIGHT LIARS. They can't even stand firm on their own words lol

They repeatedly keep bringing NAFTA in the same breath as free trade EVEN THOUGH it's been pointed out a million times that NAFTA is NOT free trade, & just calling it "free trade agreement" does NOT make it free trade in the same sense that Patriot Act is NOT about patriotism & America is NOT capitalist even though people say so.

These people are anti-property rights, anti-free trade, anti-free markets, anti-capitalism & pro-government intervention, pro-tariffs, pro-socialism & corporatism, & these people are supposed to be Ron Paul supporters? LMAO

Not to mention, they're YET to produce any cogent argument based on sound economics, they can't refute the economic arguments put forth to support free trade, hell, they don't even understand the basic laws of supply & demand which are on view in every-day life :D
 
Just goes to show that these people are not only ignorant of economics but just OUTRIGHT LIARS. They can't even stand firm on their own words lol

They repeatedly keep bringing NAFTA in the same breath as free trade EVEN THOUGH it's been pointed out a million times that NAFTA is NOT free trade, & just calling it "free trade agreement" does NOT make it free trade in the same sense that Patriot Act is NOT about patriotism & America is NOT capitalist even though people say so.

These people are anti-property rights, anti-free trade, anti-free markets, anti-capitalism & pro-government intervention, pro-tariffs, pro-socialism & corporatism, & these people are supposed to be Ron Paul supporters? LMAO

Not to mention, they're YET to produce any cogent argument based on sound economics, they can't refute the economic arguments put forth to support free trade, hell, they don't even understand the basic laws of supply & demand which are on view in every-day life :D

Cutlerzzz has a response to that:

childish insults

Your entire post makes no sense, as usual.
 
Cutlerzzz has a response to that:

Ironically enough, yours is possibly the most childish post here LMAO

Where's your economic argument to refute my explanation? Oh, you don't have any as usual because you people have never studied economics. It's an interesting question, would you argue over anatomy WITHOUT studying anatomy first, would you argue over engineering WITHOUT having studied engineering, would you argue over psychology WITHOUT having studied psychology first? Well, the kind of people you've shown to be, you might but no such BASELESS arguments would hold water & you wouldn't be taken seriously. So why you people delude yourself into thinking that you can argue over economics WITHOUT studying economics & without offering any ECONOMIC ARGUMENTS? No reason for anyone to take your childish BASELESS arguments seriously.

Seriously, it is REALLY hypocritical of you people to say that Austrian Economics is wrong even though you CAN'T provide cogent ECONOMIC ARGUMENT against it & tha is even though it was Austrian Economics that introduced you to the whole Fed, central-banking & fractional-reserve-banking thing otherwise you'd be begging Bernanke like most people out there to "rescue the economy". You people won't have ANY argument against Fed without Austrian Economics. You people are really really intellectually dishonest.

Again, refute my argument with sound economics or admit the obvious fact that you people don't know shit about economics.
Generally, people find it easier to understand the link between import-export, currencies, free trade & prosperity when we look at how these things work under a "commodity-standard" so I'll try to explain these things in the context of current America-China situation. When we're on a paper-money-standard, NOTHING amongst these variables & how they lead to prosperity changes but understanding the underlying relationship may get difficult to understand due to added factors like government manipulation of currency but the underlying effects do NOT change.

At the time, most of Britain & most of Europe had been leaping ahead of all the other countries including China due to Industrial Revolution which'd caused them have much higher level of prosperity than China so China was in a pretty similar position that it is today in the sense that it'd huge land & labor to produce things & export them, tea & silk were their main exports to Europe which meant that goods were going out of China & silver (money) was coming in.

Now, it is important to understand how "commodity-standard" (in this case "silver-standard") works. When country C exports to country E, goods go out & silver (money) comes in while silver (money) goes out of country E & goods come in. Because there'd been a gap in the living standards of Europe & China, China for a fair number of years had been exporting to Europe which caused Chinese silver-reserves to increase & lowered European silver-reserves BUT what does it mean? It means that China's "money-supply" (or "silver-supply" if you will) increased while Europe's silver-supply decreased which meant that an ounce of silver in China had LOWER purchasing-power while an ounce of silver in Europe had HIGHER purchasing-power.

Now, under normal circumstances, if free markets are allowed work, it'd just mean that Chinese will find cheaper European goods attractive & Europeans will find Chinese costlier goods less attractive which means European imports into China will increase & silver will go back into Europe as a result & this is how the markets keep moving back & forth towards equilibrium.

Now, under a paper-currency, WITHOUT any manipulation, when US keeps buying alot of Chinese goods, it'd cause Yuan to rise against dollar & over time, Chinese would find US products cheaper & US would find Chinese products costlier & then market equilibrium will go back & forth like that.

But in real life, China either buys dollars or devalues their currency in order to NOT allow it to rise against the dollar. But this does NOT have any negative effect on US. WHY? Well, when US buys from China, it gets cheap goods which enhance Americans' living standards while it gets US dollars in return. Of course, it doesn't allow its currency to rise but that only hurts the purchasing-power of Chinese people BUT those dollars get reinvested in US one way or another which helps create jobs & goods/services in US & the additional income that is generated out of it is what allows Americans to buy more Chinese goods so it's essentially a win-win situation for BOTH countries (except the Chinese people, of course but they too benefit to a degree anyway) so they're essentially keeping their people poor through tariffs & currency-manipulation to provide US with cheaper goods, not a bad situation to be in for the US.

Now, what'll happen if we adopt protectionism & put up tariffs? Well, it'll obviously mean an end to cheaper goods as well as MORE of our capital will be used up for LESS goods because our workers will've to be paid much higher wages because of minium-wage laws & everything so MORE of our capital will be engaged in production of LESS goods which obviously means much higher prices AND it also means that that ADDITIONAL CAPITAL that'll be needed will be sucked out from other areas of the economy which means you'll've MORE job-losses & drop in production & higher prices in those areas.

Now, interventionists mostly see the economy as a static model & that's why they think that they can meddle in one area of the economy & not affect others but that's not how the real-world economies work; in fact, they're very dynamic so every time you meddle in one area, it causes all others to re-adjust accordingly & that's why central-planning is so difficult to engage in because of the dynamic nature of economies.

So because of economy's dynamic nature, even if prices increase in one area, it causes all the other prices to re-adjust according their new supply/demand factors. Because as prices initially rise even in an area of the economy, people bearing those high prices demand higher incomes to ensure their prosperity & higher-skilled people have the most bargaining power because their skills are in shorter supply than lower-skilled people & in order to free up more capital to accommodate higher incomes of higher-skilled people, businesses have to lay off more lower-skilled people which causes more unemployment among the poor low-skilled workers, decrease in production of goods/services AND higher prices of goods/services that the business is producing & so on & so on it causes a "domino effect" throughout the economy. Therefore, prices & unemployment throughout the economy keep having upward pressure, the production keeps having downward pressure UNTIL the market is put back in charge; if not then the economy keeps eating itself. This is how socialism destroys economies & countries, the more socialist the country, the faster it degenerates.

So again, when one raises questions over US unemployment & drop in living standards (reduction in REAL WEALTH ie goods/services) then one must realize that 40% of the US economy is being sucked out every year, plus, there are minimum-wage laws, over-regulation, etc etc & obviously Fed's boom-bust & inflation cycles don't help the economy & unemployment either which are further choking enterpreneurship in the US & that is why US is suffering so unless these resolved or at least significantly ameliorated, US & its economy is likely to continue to spiral downwards, in terms of prosperity, for some time to come. Putting tariffs to "save jobs" is like treating the symptom rather than treating the underlying diseases which is over-regulation, over-taxation, Fed, etc; tariffs WON'T help, they'll cause EVEN MORE unemployment as they'll displace capital & workers in other areas of the economy & cause a "domino effect" of lower goods/services & higher prices & higher unemployment.

The bottomline is that NOBODY can circumvent the markets & in the long-run, it always causes more harm than good.
 
No, you've cornered the market on childish insults. Did you do that with or without the help of the government?

Still no arguments based on sound economics to refute my explanation, that in itself shows who's being childish & whose baseless arguments don't have a leg to stand on LMAO
 
Still no arguments based on sound economics to refute my explanation, that in itself shows who's being childish & whose baseless arguments don't have a leg to stand on LMAO

There is nothing left to debate. And you will find few people who will want to debate you considering your debate STYLE. Perhaps you might try HuffPo or Redstate for a change of pace? Please don't tell them you are a Ron Paul supporter.
 
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