Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

[Anti Federalist]

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[ChristianAnarchist]

If you do not support CalExit , you hate children .

I love children... GO CALEXIT!!!

 

[timosman]

Why Russia Loves the Idea of California Seceding

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...-loves-the-idea-of-california-seceding-214632

Once again, Moscow is winking at a long-shot breakaway movement in the U.S.

By CASEY MICHEL January 15, 2017

On a sunny late September day, a trio of tourists gathered on Moscow’s Red Square. Well-dressed, carrying a Russian flag, the visitors bunched in front of the Kremlin’s walls to snap a selfie. Like so many others before, the man taking the photo, Louis Marinelli, took to his Twitter account, and shared the shot for the world.

But Marinelli wasn’t your average American tourist, and neither were his friends. That weekend, Marinelli was ensconced in a conference room in the capital, where he delivered a speech for an unusual cause: the secession of California from the United States. “As not only a representative of the nation of California, but also as the founder and the leader of the independence movement as recognized by the state of California itself, it is my honor to speak on behalf of my people at this conference on the right of self-determination,” Marinelli told his audience. “Our campaign exists to explain why we should free ourselves from the shackles of statehood, and instead embrace the freedoms of nationhood.”

Marinelli, 30, was an unlikely messenger for the “Calexit” cause. He doesn’t live in California. He lives in Yekaterinburg—about 1,000 miles from Moscow—with his Russian wife. But it was not surprising that he had found a platform for his YesCalifornia movement in Moscow. Secession is a popular topic here—as long as it’s from someone else’s country. The Dialogue of Nations Conference, which attracted separatist-minded contingents from Ireland, Spain and Italy, was hosted by a man named Alexander Ionov, whose group had used money from the Kremlin to pay the travel expenses of one of Marinelli’s pals from Red Square: Nate Smith. Smith is one of the leaders of Texas Nationalist Movement that’s pushing to—you guessed it—break away from the United States.

The strategic advantage of making an argument for the secession of an American state to an audience in central Moscow is hard to gauge; after all, it’s voters in the States who would decide this matter. But the value to Russian interests seems more obvious, at least in the estimation of the leader of a separate and competing California secession movement, who actually lives in the state.

“YesCalifornia isn’t a Californian movement,” said Jed Wheeler, the general secretary of the California National Party. “YesCalifornia is a movement whose optics are all designed for a Russian audience to reinforce [Vladimir] Putin, by talking about…how terrible America is, and reinforcing [the idea that] Putin is this great guy who is admired all over the world.”

While the conference was going on, of course, the Kremlin-led hacking campaign against the Democratic National Committee was having its effect on the American presidential election, a provocation that has unwound relations between Moscow and Washington (with the exception of the president-elect) to their lowest levels since the pre-Gorbachev days. Since the election, while Washington (again with the exception of the president-elect) debates what the response should be for Russia’s meddling in the American political process, Marinelli and his handful of supporters are flaunting their ties with Russia, or at least the ones they hope to build. To that end, in mid-December, Marinelli held a news conference, helpfully covered by the state-run RT television station, declaring the opening of a “California Embassy” in Moscow.

It would be easy to dismiss all this as nonsense driven by publicity-hungry amateurs, but people who know the Russian political playbook say winking at these fringe movements—and even giving them a boost—is a part of a very real strategy. Not only is this a way of puffing Russia’s domestic claims at turmoil in the U.S., but it fits firmly within the Kremlin’s modus operandi of cultivating fringe groups in the West—including, most especially, those who would fracture the United States in a reprise of the Soviet Union’s demise, over a quarter-century later.

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[timosman]

So alt-Left has no problem working with Russia? I thought Putin was a bad guy. How more confusing can it get?

 

[XNavyNuke]

**** Stupid auto-restore content.

 

[XNavyNuke]

So alt-Left has no problem working with Russia? I thought Putin was a bad guy. How more confusing can it get?

Not confusing at all. Californians just want to return to their Russian colonial roots. Maybe they will give back Fort Ross to Putin for him to use as a military base.

XNN

 

[paleocon1]

I can't wait to see the Left turn their Cali heartland into a third world hellhole.

 

[paleocon1]

Cali would be an openly police State within three years of independence and I expect vicious anti-White progroms.

 

[osan]

“Our campaign exists to explain why we should free ourselves from the shackles of statehood, and instead embrace the freedoms of nationhood.”

Holy crap. Does this guy think that anybody at the Kremlin would actually buy a feeble, weak-tea line of feces such as this? California, given its independence, would devolve into a raging police state (not that it isn't close to that now) in no more than 5 years. I have no strong basis for believing that they would last even that long. "Freedoms of nationhood". Sheesh... yeah, freedoms for whom, I wonder; certainly not the average citizen.

Is there anyone in CA government and these über-links movements who is not stoned on mega-doses of acid? This reads like some third-rate comedy routine.

 

[AZJoe]

[FONT=&quot]Everyhousehold in California owes $93,000 just to cover state employee pensions. [/FONT]

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There was one of the "founders" of this movement on local TV making the pitch for Cal exit. The reasoning he gave seriously boiled down to this: (paraphrased) "My parenting partner is a lesbian, we are both Jewish, we adopted a Muslim child, so, we must separate from the hateful people in red-state America".

 

[seapilot]

[FONT="]Everyhousehold in California owes [B][URL="https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/pension-crisis/every-household-in-california-owe-93000-to-pay-for-state-pensions/"]$93,000[/URL][/B] just to cover state employee pensions. [/FONT]

The new national currency Cali Peso would trade all US FRN 1 to 1 first day to fully pay off those pensions. After a week it will trade 1,000,000 to 1. Problem fixed!

 

[oyarde]

[FONT="]Everyhousehold in California owes [B][URL="https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/pension-crisis/every-household-in-california-owe-93000-to-pay-for-state-pensions/"]$93,000[/URL][/B] just to cover state employee pensions. [/FONT]

I will have an annual CAlExit bbq at my place .

 

[PierzStyx]

If California, Texas, and Vermont all secede form the union I doubt Trumpet will be able to handle it. If California can convince Oregon and Washington to do the same, all the better. Now is the time people. Make it happen!

 

[oyarde]

There was one of the "founders" of this movement on local TV making the pitch for Cal exit. The reasoning he gave seriously boiled down to this: (paraphrased) "My parenting partner is a lesbian, we are both Jewish, we adopted a Muslim child, so, we must separate from the hateful people in red-state America".

I agree , they should separate from me . I can have my red meat & beer party and they can have a whatever kind of party a Gay , Jew , Muslim , Caly , Marxist ,High taxes and debt person would like

 

[Contumacious]

I fully support this, and am going to donate to the cause.


Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...s-brace-for-the-age-1479756871-htmlstory.html

Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general’s office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

“We’re doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention,” Evans said.

The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.

The attorney general’s office will give the ballot measure a title and summary, and Evans said he hopes to begin collecting signatures to get it on the ballot in the spring. Qualifying ballot measures typically requires significant resources to pay signature gatherers, and Yes California doesn’t have major financial backing. But Evans said 13,000 people have volunteered to collect signatures.

“This is real,” Evans said. “We treat it seriously.”

Various groups have made noise about California forming its own country in the wake of Trump’s election this month, most prominently Silicon Valley financier Shervin Pishevar. But similar proposals have dotted the state’s political landscape for years. Yes California has tried and failed previously, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper was not able to get a proposal to split California into six states onto the 2016 ballot.

Who is going to subsidize their welfare state?

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[Brian4Liberty]

I agree , they should separate from me . I can have my red meat & beer party and they can have a whatever kind of party a Gay , Jew , Muslim , Caly , Marxist ,High taxes and debt person would like

Locally produced Prosecco, made in steel tanks with Chardonnay grapes, served with organic, gluten-free, free-range quinoa, drizzled with truffle infused, local wildflower honey with avocado slices on kale with light vinaigrette.

 

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[kahless]

So alt-Left has no problem working with Russia? I thought Putin was a bad guy. How more confusing can it get?

The Trump admin should shine a big spotlight on this to expose them and their lapdog media for the frauds that they are to their blind followers. After awhile maybe these zombies will stop listening to them.

 

[oyarde]

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