Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

[Athan]

I'm not holding my breath.

We should rub it in their face.

 

[otherone]

I know that there isn't a hope in hell that it would happen anytime soon, but it is worth getting behind for at least a couple of reasons. First, to bring awareness to their movement and help it grow so that might have a chance one day. Second, I want to have the debate.

I'm all behind whatever legal inroads they might make. As you say, let's have the national conversation, without resorting to the "R" word. If CA can trailblaze a path to secession, then so can the rest of the states. Maybe the Swamp can woo them back by making the Union voluntary, as in, "what's in it for me"?

 

[kahless]

Obama is moving to California after he finishes his term. He could be the first President of Commiefornia.

A man like him that has such hatred for the rest of this country outside the Progressive cites that for all intents and purposes he is anti-American would pose a greater threat unrestrained as President of CA (to direct it's large populace, military and economy), to the rest of us than he ever did during his tenure as President of the US.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Interestingly, these same people moved here and complain that it's not like Buffalo. Everyone in Buffalo is smarter and works harder, btw. I keep reminding them that I-75 and I-85 head north and Delta is ready when they are but they won't go because they know the economy is shit up there.

Must be all those smart, hard-working people.

 

[HVACTech]

I fully support this, and am going to donate to the cause.


Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...s-brace-for-the-age-1479756871-htmlstory.html

Supporters of a plan for California to secede from the union took their first formal step Monday morning, submitting a proposed ballot measure to the state attorney general’s office in the hopes of a statewide vote as soon as 2018.

Marcus Ruiz Evans, the vice president and co-founder of Yes California, said his group had been planning to wait for a later election, but the presidential election of Donald Trump sped up the timeline.

“We’re doing it now because of all of the overwhelming attention,” Evans said.

The Yes California group has been around for more than two years, Evans said. It is based around California taxpayers paying more money to the federal government than the state receives in spending, that Californians are culturally different from the rest of the country, and that national media and organizations routinely criticize Californians for being out of step with the rest of the U.S.

The attorney general’s office will give the ballot measure a title and summary, and Evans said he hopes to begin collecting signatures to get it on the ballot in the spring. Qualifying ballot measures typically requires significant resources to pay signature gatherers, and Yes California doesn’t have major financial backing. But Evans said 13,000 people have volunteered to collect signatures.

“This is real,” Evans said. “We treat it seriously.”

Various groups have made noise about California forming its own country in the wake of Trump’s election this month, most prominently Silicon Valley financier Shervin Pishevar. But similar proposals have dotted the state’s political landscape for years. Yes California has tried and failed previously, and Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper was not able to get a proposal to split California into six states onto the 2016 ballot.

what about new Hampshire? can we get them to secede along with Vermont?
it would be a definite hat trick, and I am down for it.
can you also take the Massachusetts with you... pretty please?

I am believer AF. please don't let me down sir.....
YOU can DO it AF!

 

[oyarde]

Donate to CalExit

 

[HVACTech]

Having to ask permission from everybody else sort of negates the whole idea of secession.[/QUOTE]

now, that thar is brilliant AF!

my heart trembles in anticipation... that you MIGHT have conceived the notion of a league, union or a Federation sir!

is such really possible?

 

[HVACTech]

Donate to CalExit

"thar" is sailor talk...

and my definition of a "hat trick"
would make [MENTION=38380]Suzanimal[/MENTION] blush. sir.

 

[alucard13mm]

California has the best GDP in the usa and 6th largest economy in the world.... However, the state budget is almost in a deficit of hundreds of millions to billions of dollars every year. If they secede, no more federal funding hehe. That means california will have to raise their taxes a shit ton.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Well one can only hope people that live in the red counties fight to leave separately from CA or for their region to remain part of the US.

They've been talking about CalExit on Free Talk Live recently. A guy involved with the State of Jefferson movement (jeffersonccr.org) called in on Tuesday. He said they're using the CalExit issue to try to get something on the same ballot that would allow parts of California to remain in the US (the same way West Virginia did when Virginia seceded).

 

[Anti Federalist]

They've been talking about CalExit on Free Talk Live recently. A guy involved with the State of Jefferson movement (jeffersonccr.org) called in on Tuesday. He said they're using the CalExit issue to try to get something on the same ballot that would allow parts of California to remain in the US (the same way West Virginia did when Virginia seceded).

Fears allayed.

#CalExit Now

 

[The Northbreather]

US would never leave the defense of its left flank up to California.

Ain't gonna happen for this reason alone.

Too many enemies made at this point..

 

[Suzanimal]

"thar" is sailor talk...

and my definition of a "hat trick"
would make [MENTION=38380]Suzanimal[/MENTION] blush. sir.

Luckily, I don't embarress easily.


Suzexit

 

[seapilot]

US would never leave the defense of its left flank up to California.

Ain't gonna happen for this reason alone.

Too many enemies made at this point..

California is important for navy bases that patrol the pacific. Without them USA would have to have to depend more on its navy bases in Washington or create new ones in Alaska.

Now if Hawaii went with CalExit, then the US would lose a lot of influence over the pacific. New treaties would be made.

 

[HVACTech]

US would never leave the defense of its left flank up to California.

Ain't gonna happen for this reason alone.

Too many enemies made at this point..

I would vote for them to leave, and any other coastal state as well.
our founders were happy with the AoC. problem was, it did not work for defense.

and YES! [MENTION=1866]AntiFederalist[/MENTION] the AoC was a federation.

South Carolina was under attack AF. and they would NOT stop. (1783)

 

[oyarde]

Remember , do not be a pussy , support CalExit

 

[Anti Federalist]

Remember , do not be a pussy , support CalExit

Or support the grabber of same.

#CalExit Now!

 

[Makes Interesting Points]

If California seceded, how much of the U.S. national debt would they inherit? If the answer is none, then states could secede from the U.S. to avoid debt burden, leaving the remaining states to deal with the debt. Then it'd be a secession race not to be the last state in the U.S., because the last state left would have the entire debt burden. Soo, hopefully debt doesn't work like that, and California would inherit a chunk of the 19 trillion national debt when seceding.

 

[HVACTech]

Or support the grabber of same.

#CalExit Now!

Dude, as one who has experience in this subject matter...
it is not really possible to "grab" one. I mean..
you know that. Right?

 

[Anti Federalist]

If California seceded, how much of the U.S. national debt would they inherit? If the answer is none, then states could secede from the U.S. to avoid debt burden, leaving the remaining states to deal with the debt. Then it'd be a secession race not to be the last state in the U.S., because the last state left would have the entire debt burden. Soo, hopefully debt doesn't work like that, and California would inherit a chunk of the 19 trillion national debt when seceding.

Why not...race for the exits and let DC be the last one holding the bag.