Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence

Yes This is how Dump Can really make America Great again!!!!

We keep the Red counties and Naval Bases and I'm on board.
(There are always more details than this of course);)

This would be the single best event to happen to America in history.:D:D:D

P.S.
I can't wait to hear the PRCalifornia say they can leave us but the Red counties can't leave them.:D:D:D
 
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Calexit Means American Taxpayers Won't Have To Bail Out California's Ticking Pension Time Bomb

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick...rnias-ticking-pension-time-bomb/#17469abd5a9c

In addition to having unified control of Washington, Republicans will head into 2017 with total control of 25 state governments – holding the state House, Senate, and governor’s mansion – a historic high. Yet, the unexpected GOP wave that swept the country on Election Day stopped and receded at the Sierra Nevada Mountains, with California turning a deeper shade of blue.

Hillary Clinton won California by the largest margin in 80 years, numerous tax-hiking ballot measures were approved by voters, and Democrats captured a supermajority in the state Assembly, and possibly the state Senate as well, depending on the outcome of a few yet-to-be-determined races. Clinton even won the historical Republican stronghold of Orange County, the first time a Democratic presidential candidate has done so since the Great Depression.

California progressives and the state’s ruling political class have responded to the 2016 election results with some combination of shock, dismay, and contempt for what they see as a nation politically and electorally zigging while the Golden State is zagging. Prominent California liberals, including major donors, are so appalled by Donald Trump’s election as president and the fact that he will have a Republican-controlled Congress to work with, that they are calling for California to secede from the union.
 
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California May Want to Leave U.S., but the Middle Class is Fleeing California

California is becoming a state where only the very rich and very poor can afford to live. California relies on the top 1% of earners for nearly half – 48% – of total income tax collections. California has the highest income tax rate in the nation and among the highest state tax burdens overall. Very wealthy Californians residing in places like West Hollywood, La Jolla, and San Francisco can survive the large tax bite, but middle and lower income households cannot. Meanwhile, as homelessness drops nationwide, it has increased in California.

Some of the highest taxes and costliest housing in the U.S. has made California a difficult place for middle and working class families to survive and thrive. As a result, many are voting with their feet by uprooting themselves and their families for greener pastures. In the decade from 2000-2010, California experienced domestic net outmigration of over 1.2 million people, who took more than $29 billion in income with them to low-tax, red states like North Carolina, Texas, Florida, and Tennessee.

(Which they then do their level best to turn into the same shithole they just fled. - AF)

Some in California may want to leave the U.S., but many Californians have already decided to leave the Golden State for one of the other 49 states. Should California become an independent nation, lawmakers in Sacramento would likely move to impose an exit tax, just like the presidential candidate who carried the state this year proposed for the nation, to stem further population hemorrhaging and brain drain.

(Better get going folks... - AF)

Calexit still seems like a far-fetched notion. But after Brexit and Donald Trump’s dismantling of both the Bush and Clinton dynasties, 2016 has taught us that things that appear impossible can become not only possible, but a reality in a fairly short order.
 
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick...rnias-ticking-pension-time-bomb/#17469abd5a9c

In addition to having unified control of Washington, Republicans will head into 2017 with total control of 25 state governments – holding the state House, Senate, and governor’s mansion – a historic high. Yet, the unexpected GOP wave that swept the country on Election Day stopped and receded at the Sierra Nevada Mountains, with California turning a deeper shade of blue.

Hillary Clinton won California by the largest margin in 80 years, numerous tax-hiking ballot measures were approved by voters, and Democrats captured a supermajority in the state Assembly, and possibly the state Senate as well, depending on the outcome of a few yet-to-be-determined races. Clinton even won the historical Republican stronghold of Orange County, the first time a Democratic presidential candidate has done so since the Great Depression.

California progressives and the state’s ruling political class have responded to the 2016 election results with some combination of shock, dismay, and contempt for what they see as a nation politically and electorally zigging while the Golden State is zagging. Prominent California liberals, including major donors, are so appalled by Donald Trump’s election as president and the fact that he will have a Republican-controlled Congress to work with, that they are calling for California to secede from the union.

What about New Hampshire?
what can YOU do to get them to abort?

c'mon man.... I am counting on you! do it! please.
pretty please, with sugar on top?

cross my legs and hope to die?
 
From the above link...

Should California become an independent nation, lawmakers in Sacramento would likely move to impose an exit tax, just like the presidential candidate who carried the state this year proposed for the nation, to stem further population hemorrhaging and brain drain.

(Better get going folks... - AF)

Hmmmmm ... what was it Ron Paul tried to warn people about when it comes to border walls ... ?
 
What about New Hampshire?
what can YOU do to get them to abort?

c'mon man.... I am counting on you! do it! please.
pretty please, with sugar on top?

cross my legs and hope to die?

Already a supporter.

http://nhindependence.org/

Stunning 42% of respondents support N.H. independence

September 1, 2016

Is America, or New Hampshire, ready for independence? Two readership polls by New Hampshire organizations showed 42% of respondents are ready.

In September of 2014, Reuters asked Americans how they felt about their state declaring independence from the United States. Out of over 9,000 people from all 50 states, 23.9% said they would “support the idea of their state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government.”

New England itself was only about 19% in this poll, with the Southwestern states, including Texas, coming in first at 34%. At a time before Brexit, it is fascinating to see nearly a quarter of all Americans willing to support such a move. Only 53.3% of Americans were completely opposed to idea of peaceful withdrawal, which means there are a lot of Americans ambivalent to such a move.respondents support N.H. independence

While the poll by Reuters was scientific, there have been some more informal and more recent polls done specifically in New Hampshire.

The New Hampshire Union Leader ran an informal poll on its website shortly after Brexit, when the UK voted to leave the European Union, asking how readers would vote if N.H. had a similar referendum for exiting United States. Out of 2407 respondents, 42% would vote “for a free N.H.”

The Live Free or Die Alliance ran an informal poll on the same day by asking their Facebook members if they supported the “call for the Granite State to secede from the United States,” that poll also showing 42% approval of independence.

While these two polls are unscientific, they do show that people in two different groups, those who read the Union Leader online and those who are members of the LFDA Facebook page have a high propensity for leaving the debt, corruption, and wars of the federal government in the rear-view mirror. We should all be encouraged by these numbers.

Would you like to bring about independence sooner? Educate your friends and neighbors on the benefits of a free New Hampshire by funding our programs and geting involved locally. Don’t forget to subscribe to our monthly newsletter for the latest events and happenings!
 
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Calexit Means American Taxpayers Won't Have To Bail Out California's Ticking Pension Time Bomb

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick...rnias-ticking-pension-time-bomb/#17469abd5a9c

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LOL. Ssshhhhhh! Don't tell them ...

In trying to imagine what factors might figure into a modern secession scenario in the US, I've often thought that the failure of profligate state pension systems could have a part to play.

The pension systems of California, Illinois and New York are in especially bad condition. Suppose that a couple of them went tits-up at about the same time, and that federal "bailouts" were proposed. I could easily see such a thing happening, and I could just as easily see some other states taking vehement exception (especially those that haven't been as irresponsible as CA, IL & NY) - perhaps vehement enough to induce them to at least threaten to leave the union, should such "bailouts" be enacted. While I suspect that this factor would not be enough, by itself, to lead to secession, it would be a mighty big straw on the camel's back ...

#CALExit
#NYExit
#ILLExit

#ALLExit
 
California secession organizers say they've opened an embassy -- in Moscow

http://www.latimes.com/politics/ess...-say-they-ve-opened-1482187671-htmlstory.html

California gained an embassy in Russia last weekend, at least in the eyes of those who have promised to seek a statewide vote on secession, nicknamed "Calexit," in 2018.

Louis Marinelli, a San Diego resident who is the leader of the group promoting an effort to turn the state into an independent country , organized the Moscow event that was publicized on social media.

"We want to start laying the groundwork for a dialogue about an independent California joining the United Nations now," he said in an email Monday.
 
I hope to whatever gods may be that the US breaks up in to smaller territories. Let like minded people go their own way.... don't force these states, counties, cities to stay together.
 
California is important for navy bases that patrol the pacific. Without them USA would have to have to depend more on its navy bases in Washington or create new ones in Alaska.

Now if Hawaii went with CalExit, then the US would lose a lot of influence over the pacific. New treaties would be made.

Who gives a shit? Do you give a shit? Does anyone here give two shits about 'losing our influence in the pacific'?
 
More Californians dreaming of a country without Trump: poll

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-californians-dreaming-country-without-trump-poll-192311764.html

ReutersJanuary 23, 2017

By Sharon Bernstein

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - The election of Republican businessman Donald Trump as president of the United States has some Californians dreaming - of their own country.

One in every three California residents supports the most populous U.S. state's peaceful withdrawal from the union, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll, many of them Democrats strongly opposed to Trump's ascension to the country's highest office.

The 32 percent support rate is sharply higher than the last time the poll asked Californians about secession, in 2014, when one-in-five or 20 percent favored it around the time Scotland held its independence referendum and voted to remain in the United Kingdom.

California also far surpasses the national average favoring secession, which stood at 22 percent, down from 24 percent in 2014.

The poll surveyed 500 Californians among more than 14,000 adults nationwide from Dec. 6 to Jan. 19 and has a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of one percentage point nationally and five percentage points in California.

The idea of secession is largely a settled matter in the United States, though the impulse to break away carries on in some corners of the country, most notably in Texas.

While interest has remained about the same nationwide, it has found more favor in California and the concept has even earned a catchy name - "Calexit."

"I don't think it's likely to happen, but if things get really bad it could be an option," said Stephen Miller, 70, a retired transportation planner who lives in Sacramento and told pollsters he "tended to support" secession.

During the campaign, Trump alienated many in the Democratic-leaning state with his promises to crack down on illegal immigration, threats of creating a Muslim registry, remarks women found offensive and vows to repeal the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare.

"There's such hostility towards Trump that many citizens believe it would be smarter to leave than fight," said Democratic political consultant Steve Maviglio, who last year ran the campaign against a proposed ballot initiative to break California into six states.

ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTS

With 39 million residents and the sixth-largest economy in the world, California is already a nation-state, Maviglio said. In November's election, the state broke nearly two-to-one in favor of Trump's Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

In practice, secession is highly unlikely, facing political, legal and possibly even military obstacles, considering that the United States fought the Civil War over the secession of the South, Maviglio and others said.

Trump's election gave a huge boost to the quixotic campaign to remove California from the United States called Yes California, run by a former conservative turned progressive who now lives in Russia.

Dubbed "Calexit" by pundits comparing the effort to "Brexit" - Britain's vote to withdraw from the European Union - Yes California's email list jumped from fewer than 2,500 before the election to 115,069 currently, the group's president, Louis Marinelli, said in a telephone interview.

Marinelli, who moved to Yekaterinburg, about 1,000 miles (1,600 km) east of Moscow, in September and has lived in Russia on and off for several years, said he became disenchanted with the United States after difficulties arose with the immigration process for his Russian-born wife.

On Friday, activists from the group waved signs saying "California out of the United States" and "U.S. out of California" at anti-Trump protests in Los Angeles and San Francisco, Marinelli said. They have requested approval from the state to begin collecting signatures for a pro-secession ballot initiative.

In Lodi, California, Democratic party activist Bruce Rubly, who told Reuters/Ipsos pollsters that he "strongly supported" California secession, said he thinks it could happen if Trump and the Republicans who dominate the U.S. Congress impose conservative policies on such issues as the environment, immigration and marijuana legalization.

"There's a whole series of things that are going to get Californians riled up," said Rubly, 68. "And if he pushes those buttons in the wrong way, there's going to be hell to pay."
 
Calexit backers can begin collecting signatures to qualify for 2018 ballot

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article129047749.html

By Jim Miller

[email protected]

Backers of a proposed constitutional amendment seeking California’s secession from the U.S. can begin collecting voter signatures to qualify for the 2018 ballot, the secretary of state’s office said Thursday.

The so-called Calexit movement emerged within days of the upset presidential victory of Republican Donald Trump, who lost California by nearly 4.3 million votes. A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll showed that nearly one in three Californians support the state leaving the U.S.

Proponents have until July 25 to collect 585,407 valid voter signatures to qualify for the November 2018 ballot.

The proposed measure would strike language from the California Constitution defining the state as “an inseparable part of the United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.” If it passed, there would be a statewide special election in March 2019 to ask voters if they want California to become an independent country.

State campaign finance records show that Yes California has opened a fundraising committee but has not reported any contributions. Besides the measure’s long odds of qualifying for the ballot, let alone passing at the polls, any effort by California to leave the U.S. likely would require an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. That would require approval by two-thirds of Congress and three-quarters of the states.
 
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