Ron Paul Against Amnesty

[constituent]

That's what I was thinking. They may not believe in the NAU or globalism, per se, but it appears that their stance is doing nothing but helping those who do.

You might not believe in a militarized police state, per se, but it appears your stance is doing nothing but helping those who do.

 

[AuH20]

What you're missing is

1) it is impossible to close borders, ask the USSR

2) by increasing the risk of re-return, you create a disincentive for those who are here illegally to ever leave.

Clamping down and militarizing the border is the very essence of counterproductive.

so what do you do? Embrace the welfare state and acquiesce to the demands of your transient guests? In a perfect world, I wish we could harbor all the exploited people of the world and enhance their futures, but we have finite resources and a crumbling political system. We're in no position to assimilate millions of mexicans and OTMs, who already the distrust their imperial neighbor to the North. I see it as lose-lose. Thats one of the reasons why we have an immigration quota system, so as to discourage a population exodus like this from occuring.

 

[LibertyEagle]

What you're missing is

1) it is impossible to close borders, ask the USSR

2) by increasing the risk of re-return, you create a disincentive for those who are here illegally to ever leave.

Clamping down and militarizing the border is the very essence of counterproductive.

Yes. The better approach is to take away the incentives. But, as we all have seen, our POS government servants won't do their jobs, because it suits their ends to have our country overrun by illegal aliens.

Now with all the violence spilling over the border by the drug cartel, what do you think should be done about that? Not to mention the fact that illegal aliens are killing Americans with greater frequency.

 

[constituent]

Now with all the violence spilling over the border by the drug cartel, what do you think should be done about that?

End the unl(awful) war on drugs and set the captives free, you?

 

[constituent]

so what do you do? Embrace the welfare state and acquiesce to the demands of your transient guests?

Who said that? I oppose the welfare state, and all of its vices, absolutely (though absolutism is dangerous, this is one issue on which I refuse to budge).

Of course, no one seems to be advocating the right solution, instead they seem to be cheerleading the exact wrong one.

 

[AuH20]

Who said that? I oppose the welfare state, and all of its vices, absolutely (though absolutism is dangerous, this is one issue on which I refuse to budge).

Of course, no one seems to be advocating the right solution, instead they seem to be cheerleading the exact wrong one.

But you're inadvertertently fueling the welfare state by asking these people to take residence here. I don't think you can separate the two. Look at the lists of hospitals shut down in California for instance.

 

[constituent]

But you're inadvertertently fueling the welfare state by asking these people to take residence here. I don't think you can separate the two. Look at the lists of hospitals shut down in California for instance.

I didn't ask anyone to take residence here... You're confusing the "individual" with the "collective."

Look at the lists of hospitals shut down in California for instance.

So then your issue is with federal regulations that require all patients be admitted, regardless of ability to pay or valid proof of residence...

 

[LibertyEagle]

End the unl(awful) war on drugs and set the captives free, you?

Sure, I'm for that too.

I don't think that's going to stop the massive influx of illegal aliens though. You're right though, that it would go a long way towards stopping the drug cartels trying to get in our country. Since our gummit is unlikely to do that anytime soon, what should be done in the meantime?

 

[constituent]

Since our gummit is unlikely to do that anytime soon, what should be done in the meantime?

Lobbying for it.

Since our requests so frequently fall on deaf ears anyway, I'd rather be asking for the right solutions than the wrong ones.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Lobbying for it.

Since our requests so frequently fall on deaf ears anyway, I'd rather be asking for the right solutions than the wrong ones.

That's fair and I agree.

But, as a Texan, I'm all for using the National Guard to protect the border until we get that done.

 

[constituent]

as a Texan, I'm all for using the National Guard to protect the border until we get that done.

You're a "texan," or do you just live here?


[insert friendly elbow nudge here]

 

[pcosmar]

Sorry, had to step away to help a neighbor.

Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
Now you are just being obstinate and friggin stupid.

Sorry, did I insult you?

I certainly could, as you've provided no shortage of cannon fodder.

Overall, I like you and would prefer to avoid it, if possible. Otherwise I'd suggest climbing back into your bunker before fema comes to getcha!

No insult, you could try but what's the point.
I was not being insulting, sorry if you took it that way, It was more of an observation.

oh yeah,
No "bunker" here. I am at home in this environment. The terrain and environment are all the defenses I need.
But thank you for your "concern".

 

[LibertyEagle]

You're a "texan," or do you just live here?


[insert friendly elbow nudge here]

I think living here for TWENTY FOUR years qualifies me, yeah.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Forcibly pushing illegal immigrants will be both totalitarian and expensive. Cut off the welfare and their "rights." It will be a lot of cheaper, many illegal immigrants are productive workers in society. Hell, many of them work in most of the restaurants in Chicago, but anybody can get a job there if you can cook well.

 

[constituent]

I think living here for TWENTY FOUR years qualifies me, yeah.

No, neither does birth.

Texan is a way of life, not a geographic proximity.

 

[Mesogen]

We must reject amnesty for illegal integration in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who eat in whites only establishments and attend whites only schools illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty.

 

[Pennsylvania]

whites only establishments and attend whites only schools

???

 

[Feenix566]

Does anyone here support "amnesty?"

Yes.

We must reject amnesty for illegal integration in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who eat in whites only establishments and attend whites only schools illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty.

You've obviously just walked out of a time capsule, after having been frozen for fifty years or so. You'll want to catch up on your history. We had this whole big thing called the "civil rights movement". I'm sure you'll find it tantilizing.

 

[Mesogen]

???

yeah!

We don't want any lawbreakers roaming around do we?

You've obviously just walked out of a time capsule, after having been frozen for fifty years or so. You'll want to catch up on your history. We had this whole big thing called the "civil rights movement". I'm sure you'll find it tantilizing.

Whoa there! Civil rights? Like the right to find a job and work?

 

[constituent]

Yes.

I'd like to hear your perspective...