Ron Paul Against Amnesty

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The Immigration Question

by Ron Paul


The recent immigration protests in Los Angeles have brought the issue to the forefront, provoking strong reactions from millions of Americans. The protesters’ cause of open borders is not well served when they drape themselves in Mexican flags and chant slogans in Spanish. If anything, their protests underscore the Balkanization of America caused by widespread illegal immigration. How much longer can we maintain huge unassimilated subgroups within America, filled with millions of people who don’t speak English or participate fully in American life? Americans finally have decided the status quo is unacceptable, and immigration may be the issue that decides the 2008 presidential election.

We’re often reminded that America is a nation of immigrants, implying that we’re coldhearted to restrict immigration in any way. But the new Americans reaching our shores in the late 1800s and early 1900s were legal immigrants. In many cases they had no chance of returning home again. They maintained their various ethnic and cultural identities, but they also learned English and embraced their new nationality.

Today, the overwhelming majority of Americans – including immigrants – want immigration reduced, not expanded. The economic, cultural, and political situation was very different 100 years ago.

We’re often told that immigrants do the jobs Americans won’t do, and sometimes this is true. But in many instances illegal immigrants simply increase the supply of labor in a community, which lowers wages. And while cheap labor certainly benefits the economy as a whole, when calculating the true cost of illegal immigration we must include the cost of social services that many new immigrants consume – especially medical care.

We must reject amnesty for illegal immigrants in any form. We cannot continue to reward lawbreakers and expect things to get better. If we reward millions who came here illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty.

Amnesty also insults legal immigrants, who face years of paperwork and long waits to earn precious American citizenship.

Birthright citizenship similarly rewards lawbreaking, and must be stopped. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the perverse incentive to sneak into this country remains strong. Citizenship involves more than the mere location of one’s birth. True citizenship requires cultural connections and an allegiance to the United States. Americans are happy to welcome those who wish to come here and build a better life for themselves, but we rightfully expect immigrants to show loyalty and attempt to assimilate themselves culturally. Birthright citizenship sometimes confers the benefits of being American on people who do not truly embrace America.

We need to allocate far more resources, both in terms of money and manpower, to securing our borders and coastlines here at home. This is the most critical task before us, both in terms of immigration problems and the threat of foreign terrorists. Unless and until we secure our borders, illegal immigration and the problems associated with it will only increase.

April 4, 2006
 
I agree, but I don't see anywhere in there that he blames the Mexicans for the immigration. He seems to be blaming our policies, which I am in complete agreement with.

Are they breaking the law?

Yes.


Should we reward that?

No.


Are cannabis consumers breaking the law?

Yes.


Should we reward that?

As a cannabis consumer, no, the government should not reward people who use cannabis.


Back to the topic, should we spew hatred about Mexicans?

No.
 
LOL you are now saying Ron Paul is blaming Mexicans?

You were in support of amnesty a second ago, now that you find that Dr Paul is opposed to it you are. Now you are trying to spin it to appear as if it is some contest against Mexicans.

Mexican is a political term describing people who are members of a society called Mexico. It isn't specific to race as you are using it.

Illegal alien is someone who has broken the law.

Immigrant is someone who has come to the US legally.
 
I... Agree with Danno.

Weird.


I see amnesty in the same way I see a pardon for law-breakers of laws which should not exist. Obviously, there is a good Agorist argument in there, though it'd be ideal if we could just end the Welfare state, or at least restructure it to not give incentive to do nothing (or do it under the table).
 
I... Agree with Danno.

Weird.


I see amnesty in the same way I see a pardon for law-breakers of laws which should not exist. Obviously, there is a good Agorist argument in there, though it'd be ideal if we could just end the Welfare state, or at least restructure it to not give incentive to do nothing (or do it under the table).
Of course you do. Nuff' said.
 
Ron Paul against Amnesty press release:
http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/06/press_release_n.html

June 18, 2007
Press Release: No Amnesty, No Welfare

No Amnesty, No Welfare for Illegal Aliens

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

June 18, 2007

ARLINGTON, VA – As a congressman, Ron Paul has been a leader in the fight to end illegal immigration. He voted for a border fence, opposes the current Senate "compromise" bill, and introduced legislation to end birth right citizenship. Dr. Paul has consistently warned Americans about the looming menace of the North American Union and is the only presidential candidate calling for an end to welfare benefits, mandatory medical care and free education for illegal aliens.

"No leader in Washington has fought to end illegal immigration harder than Congressman Ron Paul," said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Dr. Paul knows that America must never grant amnesty to those who are in our country illegally."

The following are statements Dr. Paul has made in the U.S. House of Representatives:

-- "The much-vaunted Senate "compromise" on immigration is a compromise alright: a compromise of our laws, a compromise of our sovereignty, and a compromise of the Second Amendment. That anyone in Washington believes this is a credible approach to solving our immigration crisis suggests just how out of touch our political elites really are."

-- "If we reward millions who came here illegally, surely millions more will follow suit. Ten years from now we will be in the same position, with a whole new generation of lawbreakers seeking amnesty."

-- "...real national security cannot be achieved unless and until our borders are physically secured. It's as simple as that. All the talk about fighting terror and making America safer is meaningless without border security. It makes no sense to seek terrorists abroad if our own front door is left unlocked."

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Victim: Kelynn Byrd
An illegal alien has been charged in the kicking death of 2 year old Kelynn Byrd

* Date of Crime: 2007-08-12
* Location of crime:
Coweta,OK
* Sex: M
* Age: 2




Kelynn.JPG





Perpetrator: Michael Hernandez

* Sex: M
* Arrest Status: charged

Crime Description:

Kelynn Byrd, an innocent two year old child, died from being kicked repeatedly in the chest allegedly by Michael Hernandez, an illegal alien, Kelynn died of blunt chest and abdominal trauma on August 12, 2007, in Coweta, Oklahoma.



Hernandez allegedly confessed to kicking Kelynn. (1) Kelynn’s mother left the apartment after a fight with Hernandez, leaving Kelynn alone in his care. When she came home it was obvious something was wrong with her baby. She called 911 and Kelynn was taken to a Tulsa hospital where the toddler died. (2)



“Whatever kind of anger that can lead up to someone doing that to a 2-and-a-half-year-old boy is just beyond me”, the toddler’s grandmother, Michelle Ebel said. Burying her grandson was the hardest thing she ever had to do said Ebel.(3)



Michael Hernandez was ordered to be held in the Wagoner County Jail without bond. He was charged with first degree murder in the kicking death of Kelynn Byrd. (1)


Documentation:

1. Illegal immigrant charged in toddler's kicking death By Staff

http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/local/local_story_235112120.html

2. Man Accused of Killing Girlfriend's 2-Year-Old Son

http://kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=133717

3. Illegal Immigrant Charged In Child's Death

http://kotv.com/news/topstory/?id=134479
 
Victim: Scott Ickes
An American citizen has been charged in the fatal shooting of Scott Ickes

* Date of Crime: 2007-12-08
* Location of crime:
Johnstown, PA
* Sex: M
* Age: 51

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Perpetrator: Antonio Winkleman

* Sex: M
* Arrest Status: imprisoned

A Johnstown man was sentenced to 15 to 30 years in prison for killing the man whose home he was staying in.Antonio Winkleman, 26, pleaded guilty in January to third-degree murder in the shooting death of 51-year-old Scott Ickes.



The judge who sentenced Winkleman on Tuesday said he will serve his time consecutively to a six- to 13-year sentence he is now serving in an unrelated 2006 cases involving a gun and drugs.



The killing happened Dec. 9, 2007, at Ickes' home in Elton. Winkleman was arrested five days later near Altoona.

Documentation:

1. Johnstown Man Gets 15-30 Years For Murder

http://www.wjactv.com/news/18786418/detail.html

2. Police: Alleged murder suspect, girlfriend on the run

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/cnh...story_343231917.html?keyword=leadpicturestory
 
So again this is all irrelevant spam designed to detract from the issue at hand, illegal immigration and the rule of law. The two previous posts have nothing to do with illegal immigration. They are murderers.

This thread is about Ron Paul being opposed to amnesty and that there are consequences due to illegal immigration as supported by many of the left wing zealots who proclaim to support Ron Paul.
 
No, YOU blame Mexicans.




No I was not.
Of course. People from Mexico constitute the majority of illegal aliens in the United States nearly 20 million. They are the largest foreign lobby in Washington, the Mexican has massive influence on our national policy making agenda.

You are still trying to spin things, I understand that. It is quite common for collectivists to do so when they hit an intellectual wall.
 
Does anyone here support "amnesty?"

Yes I do support amnesty. I am personally sorry that many people waded through thicker swamps of BS government protocols to get here, but as I do not believe in countries, borders, citizenship, or registration by other means, there is no alternative but to support amnesty. I, as Ron Paul, do not support any form of welfare state, but I do not see a reason to target "illegals" because of our own faulty policies.
 
Yes I do support amnesty. I am personally sorry that many people waded through thicker swamps of BS government protocols to get here, but as I do not believe in countries, borders, citizenship, or registration by other means, there is no alternative but to support amnesty.

I don't understand what you mean by no alternative as it relates to what you have listed. You seem to be listing what you believe in then projecting the result as a solution for other people.
 
I don't think we should deport them (unless they break other laws) There are just too many/too expensive.

Just levy a $50,000 fine for anyone hiring an undocumented worker. Per incident.
There would be a mass exodus.

Then if there REALLY are jobs that Americans won't do (which in the near future may be a lot less than previously thought) crank out the work visas and give anyone that goes through that a path to citizneship.
 
I don't understand what you mean by no alternative as it relates to what you have listed. You seem to be listing what you believe in then projecting the result as a solution for other people.

If I do not believe in countries or borders, then having crossed a border into "our" land violates no principle of mine. I don't feel anyone should have to fear being rounded up and sent home for coming here. That is the alternative.
 
I don't think we should deport them (unless they break other laws) There are just too many/too expensive.

Just levy a $50,000 fine for anyone hiring an undocumented worker. Per incident.
There would be a mass exodus.

Then if there REALLY are jobs that Americans won't do (which in the near future may be a lot less than previously thought) crank out the work visas and give anyone that goes through that a path to citizneship.
This isn't the problem.

It is that there are ALREADY fines on the books. Everything is in place, everything is there. It is that we have delved into Cosmopolitan law which permanently weakens our sovereignty. The government has done everything it can to prevent enforcement.

There is no economic solution to the law. If you do not enforce it then you will ensure a rapid descent into rule BY law. This has already occurred.

The amnesty issue helped the government to learn there are no repercussions for its behavior.
 
If I do not believe in countries or borders, then having crossed a border into "our" land violates no principle of mine. I don't feel anyone should have to fear being rounded up and sent home for coming here. That is the alternative.

Then you also do not believe in Revolution, you are an anarchist.

How do you resolve being a Ron Paul Conservative then?
 
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